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Re: Old English
Josef D. - 10.12.2007, 21:43Old English
Dear Philipp
before I forget it again, let me tell you that what you sent me by E-mail is very interesting. These various levels from where Old Engish words are derived is difficult to learn if you don't have a lot of time and I guess you didn't have much time for it! It reminds me a bit of what I had to learn in school about German about the "Lehnworte" and "Fremdworte" and where they come from. The phontic transcriptions are very difficult to read... if the text were written in normal letters it would be easier to read, I guess. But thank you anyway for all the things... they're very interesting! ;)
Max
Re: Old English
Frederik - 11.12.2007, 00:28
You're welcome... Have fun with all that stuff and enjoy the various phonetic transcriptions!
Re: Old English
Josef D. - 11.12.2007, 22:55
Thank you... though I don't think I'll really enjoy those phonetic signs, they're very difficult to decipher. We had to deal with them to some extent in our English classes during Kollegstufe but I never was very good at them. I always preferred to compose lengthy texts which I usually got back from my teacher with the remark "too long" or "much too long" written under it in red ink. :D But it's all interesting anyway! The more interesting part is regarding the orignis of the words in Old English. That's where you can really learn a lot about origin of languages and how they are related. ;)
Re: Old English
Frederik - 12.12.2007, 21:04
At school, I loved all sorts of phonetic signs - and I still love them very much indeed, all the more so as they are getting increasingly important at the uni. :headbang:
While I was at high school, I was fond of writing lenghty and wordy texts as well, especially in French. I'm now wondering how I can regain some of my former enthusiasm for writing compositions and comments. :achselzuck:
Your English is remarkably good. If you were my student, I'd be happy as a pig in shit... :win
The only little mistake I found is a minor grammatical thing.
"These various levels from which Old English words are derived"
Please feel free to correct my sentences. I'm not used to writing in English... My brain is German...right now... :axe:
Re: Old English
Josef D. - 13.12.2007, 19:24
Thanks for the compliment! I should be fairly good at English given that I've been learning it for 32 years now and I've always kept it up. I don't know how many English books (novels, scientific books, whatsoever) you have been reading in your career as a disciple of the English language. But I've read lots, maybe as many as 500. And I've been a subscriber of Newsweek Magazine for well over 20 years now. And I often happen to watch CNN. And I like to watch American movies with their original soundtrack which is often better than the German dubbing version.
When your brain is still "German" you haven't really mastered the language. One of my English teachers who was a native speaker used to tell us that if you really want to master a language you must be able to think in that language. I think I'm able to do that.
Well, I expected you to have been fond of writing lengthy essays in school too. You've been writing lenghty texts in the forums as well. I suppose your enthusiasm for writing lenghty texts is thoroughly impaired by some of your various health issues. A tennis elbow is not exactly helpful if you want to type lengthy texts.
Your students? May I assume that you are tutoring some people in English? Now that can be difficult at times, when some of your disciples simply don't have the knack for learning a language! :D Some concepts are, however, a bit difficult to explain to Germans, like when to use -ing forms of verbs or that it is a rather big mistake to use "would" in an "if" clause.
So far I could not find mistakes in your text. Your English is very good indeed. Keep it up! ;)
Re: Old English
stuttgart - 13.12.2007, 19:30
Should I talk in english, too? Never mind if i go you on the nerves. I panicaly realized that im wirting an WET (written english test) on Monday. Ohh... I think i've just got wet pants right now.
Re: Old English
Josef D. - 13.12.2007, 19:36
Ah, sou you're writing an English test next week I wish you good luck with it! ;)
Zitat: if i go you on the nerves That's German English! :D In correct English you'd have to write: "... if I'm getting on your neves". ;)
And don't worry, you just bougt another pair of jeans - so you can change if you peed them! :D
Re: Old English
ReCon242 - 14.12.2007, 01:49
Zitat: And I often happen to watch CNN
I always thought that "happen to" is a term referring to circumstances beyond your control. I don't think your TV is switching to CNN against your will...
Re: Old English
Frederik - 14.12.2007, 04:52
I've been learning English since 1990. The large gap owing to my studies of psychology has turned out to be deadly for my mastery of English up to now. I always feel quite uncertain about my sentences and I daren't open my mouth.
As I hate reading in general, except magazines written my dear German :D, I haven't read lots of English books yet. If I were to continue my course of studies, I'd definitely have to try any harder to conquer my weaker self. Otherwise, the State exam would be an impossible undertaking.
Of course, I haven't got to grips with the incredibly high number of English words.
No, I was just talking about my possible students (the term "pupil" is hardly used nowadays and has become obsolete, formal, and stilted - even in British English) at school. So I was kidding... :scherzkeks:
How comes that you've got that fond of English? Do you never regret not having studied it at uni all so more so because you've been greatly interested in the American culture for such a long time?
Don't worry! Lots of schoolchildren quickly understand the basics of gerunds and (bare) infinitives. The tenses are in all likelihood the most difficult structure of lots of languages, including English.
I love the exceptions of when to use "would" in if-clauses. *g*
By the way, ReCon is exactly right. "Happen to" isn't possible in the said example. But that doesn't matter because we can effortlessly understand your sentence anyway. Keep your pecker up!
Re: Old English
Josef D. - 14.12.2007, 21:43
Zitat: and I daren't open my mouth.
For the first time I've found a mistake in your English! I think it should be: "I don't dare opening my mouth".
And it's no big wonder you don't dare! English conversation is not one of the things you learn well in English classes in German schools. You learn a lot of stuff about grammar and about Shakespeare and it was fun reading "Georgy Porgy" or "Wuthering Heigths" but we weren't tought conversation as such. This turned out to be a problem when I made my big trip to the United States after graduating from high school. I simply wasn't used to it and I never really knew what to say or what to answer. But I had plenty of time to solve the problem - and as of today conversation in English is easy for me. A few years ago I went to Herrenchiemsee and when I had lunch in a restaurant at the old castle I met an elderly gentleman from Seattle with whom I had a friendly and lively conversation. He was quite astonished to hear that he was sitting next to the place where the German Constitution was made! That's not the kind of things Americans are likely to know! :D
Actually, I DO regret not having attended College. And why am I fond of English? It used to be fairly easy for me to learn the language. I rarely had to learn lists of vocabulary - I could remember them anyway. I mostly learnt it by reading at first. At the time I had a sizeable collection of books by Enid Blyton. Then I also got them in English and I read two books at a time, the respective German and English version of the books. After a while I could stop reading the German versions along and I read the books only in English. So I always was ahead of my fellow pupils... sorry, students! :D ... and I did the best exam of the year in my graduation exams. Well, reading in English is fun, too. And books originally written in English should be read in that language because they usually lose upon translation. I heard that fans of Harry Potter were complaining about a considerable amount of errors in the German translation.
Happen to.... ReCon, you're right, my TV doesn't switch between programs just on its own account. Our first TV with a remote contol, however, sometimes did. My little brother had a tricycle back then which wasn't too well oiled and it sometimes caused the TV to be turned on! :D
Re: Old English
Frederik - 15.12.2007, 04:24
Hi there, :headbang:
"to dare" is a semi-modal verb:
- when used like a modal verb, it is followed by a bare infinitive; the negative is daren't (dare not). Dare not and dared not (past tense) are very formal yet daren't is quite common.
- when used like an ordinary verb, the negatives are do not/don't dare, does not/doesn't dare, did not/didn'dare; it can be followed by an infinitive with or without to
For examples see OALD. :buch: So in fact, I was right! :D
Where exactly did you spend your graduation trip to the US? Who travelled with you? An old school friend of yours? How comes that you're particularly interested in American studies? If memory serves me well, you've got a lovely American accent! Did some of your teachers teach you AmE or did you take on this accent by yourself? I feel I'll never take on an American ear though I like quite a number of American accents - especially those from the Mid West, which are full of nasals... :halo:
Can you recommend me three Victorian novels for my intermediate exam in the summer term? Did you enjoy "The Picture of Dorian Gray"?
By the way, do you need any dictionnaries to read your English magazines, books, and texts?
So far, so good! :headbang: Do you happen to ( :D at RC) know the English phrase for "So viel von mir/für heute"? "So much from me/for today " doesn't sound very idiomatic to my German ears...
Re: Old English
Josef D. - 17.12.2007, 00:27
To start with your last question: I would say: "And that's all I've got to tell you today!" (but sometimes "Ich habe fertig" sounds very good too.
I went on my trip to the United States on my own. I met the group only in Los Angeles. It was a bus journey around the West and we spent the night in a different hotel almost every night. Sometimes we spent it in a Motel (South Lake Tahoe) and sometimes in glossy hotels. The best hotel was the Salt Lake Sheraton. And the hotel in Vegas was large and luxurious too. And when I arrived in Salt Lake City I found out that I still had the key to the motel room from South Lake Tahoe! I threw it into a mailbox because it had the motel's address written on it. The key had travelled from South Lake Tahoe, California all the way through Nevada and Idaho through a bit of Montana into Wyoming and then south into Utah.
With me were a few people from Stuttgart and some Rhinelanders - and a number of people from the Netherlands. And a gentleman from Belgium who, one day, told me at great length about the problem between the Flemish and Walloon people in his country. We spent two days in a recreation resort in Arizona - and in the evening we found frogs in the swimming pool - right in the desert of Arizona, not far from Phoenix!
I tell you, my friend, it was a wonderful journey - only, it was a bit too short!
Books: I never read "Dorian Grey". Isn't that the story about a young man who owned a portrait of himself which aged while he remained young? Victorian novels... I think you should read Oliver Twist of Dickens, it's a wonderful book. You can download it here for FREE: http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/730
And I would also recommend "Jane Eyre" by Charlotte Bronte, a great novel about a young woman who grows up during Victorian times. You can download it here for FREE: http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/1260
You'll find a lot more English literature on gutenberg.org. Give it a try! ;)
And thanks, I think my American accent is quite neat. Though, I think I can also do a fairly good Queen's English if I need to. And I sometimes DO use dictionaries when I read English books. Sometimes it's necessary to look up a word. I've got the "Langenscheidts Großwörtebuch Englisch-Deutsch and Deutsch-Englisch" and a Webster's dictionary only in English and last year I bought the latest edition of the Oxford Advanced Learner's dictionary. It's got about twice the number of words my old edition from school had.
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