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    Re: Oxidiertes Cholesterin

    zarathustra - 13.08.2007, 23:09

    Oxidiertes Cholesterin
    Ich habe kürzlich recherchiert, welche Nahrungsmittel am meisten oxidiertes Cholesterin enthalten bzw. welche Zubereitungsmethoden die Entstehung fördern. Dabei bin ich auf folgenden Artikel gestossen, den ich recht aufschlussreich fand. Besonders erstaunt war ich über den hohen Gehalt von oxidiertem Cholesterin in Ghee. Etwa 12% des ursprünglichen Cholesterins wird bei der Ghee-Herstellung oxidiert.

    Review Article

    Cholesterol oxides: their occurrence and methods to prevent their generation in foods

    * Geoffrey P Savage11Food Group, AFSD, Lincoln University, Canterbury, New Zealand PhD, FNZIFST, MRSNZ,
    * Paresh C Dutta22Department of Food Science, Swedish University of Agricultural Sciences, Uppsala, Sweden MSc, PhD and
    * Maria T Rodriguez-Estrada33Department of Food Science, University of Bologna, Bologna, Italy MSc, PhD

    *
    1Food Group, AFSD, Lincoln University, Canterbury, New Zealand 2Department of Food Science, Swedish University of Agricultural Sciences, Uppsala, Sweden 3Department of Food Science, University of Bologna, Bologna, Italy

    Dr GP Savage, Food Group, AFSD, Lincoln University, PO Box 84, Canterbury, New Zealand. Tel: +64 3 325 2811; Fax: +64 3 325 3551 Email: savage@lincoln.ac.nz
    Abstract

    Eight cholesterol oxides are commonly found in foods with high cholesterol content, such as meat, egg yolk and full fat dairy products. Factors known to increase the production of cholesterol oxides in foods are heat, light, radiation, oxygen, moisture, low pH, certain pro-oxidising agents and the storage of food at room temperature. Processes, such as pre-cooking, freeze-drying, dehydration and irradiation, have all been reported to result in increased production of cholesterol oxides in meats. As prepared consumer foods are becoming increasingly popular, the consumption of higher levels of cholesterol oxides in foods is inevitable. An understanding of the mechanisms involved in the generation of cholesterol oxides may assist in their reduction in foods and possibly reduce the impact of these compounds on human health.
    Introduction


    Cholesterol oxides are a group of sterols similar to cholesterol, which contain an additional functional group, such as a hydroxyl, ketone or an epoxide group in the sterol nucleus and/or on the side chain of the molecule. While Fig. 1 shows the structure of eight common cholesterol oxides, more than 60 have been identified.1 Some cholesterol oxides are produced endogenously in human tissues during conversion of cholesterol into bile acids and steroid hormones;2 autooxidation of cholesterol also occurs in vivo.3

    Cholesterol oxides are also present in our diet and have been identified in foods high in cholesterol content. The presence of cholesterol oxides in a range of foods has been extensively reviewed.2,4-7 As a rule, fresh foods contain very low levels of cholesterol oxides. Storage, cooking and processing all tend to increase the cholesterol oxide content of cholesterol-containing foods. Cholesterol oxides occur in relatively high concentrations (range 10–150 μg/g dry weight) in egg yolk,7,8,9 stored frozen meat,10 butter, cheese,11 cream5 and heated tallow.12 Egg-based products (cakes, sweet biscuits and mayonnaise) will also contain cholesterol oxides if fresh materials are not used in their manufacture.

    It is important to note that high cholesterol-containing foods show an increase in cholesterol oxide content after heating, spray-drying and deep-frying.5,13 For instance, in heat-treated clarified butter (ghee), 12% of the total sterol content is cholesterol oxides.14 The high levels of cholesterol oxides in ghee is not surprising, since butter is commonly heated at 150°C in an open vessel for 20–25 min without any antioxidant, to make this Indian product.

    Literature reports on the levels of cholesterol oxides in the same type of foods are extremely difficult to compare. The quantification of cholesterol oxides in foods is difficult, because their isolation is frequently hindered by the large amounts of interfering cholesterol, triglycerides, phospholipids and other lipids present in the food.15 The inconsistencies observed in the cholesterol oxide contents of foods are mainly due to differences in the analytical methods and failure to validate the methods correctly.15 The procedures currently used to extract, purify and quantify cholesterol oxides have been well summarized.3,16

    An attempt has been made to harmonize the methods used for the analysis of cholesterol oxides, and two interlaboratory round robin analyses have been performed on standard egg powder and milk powder.16,17 A summary of two studies, one carried out in 1995 (study 1) and the second in 1997 (study 2), is shown in Tables 1 and 2. The reduction in data variability in study 2 may be due to the use of better packaging and improved methods. In the first study, some of the samples were held up in US Customs and possibly stored in uncontrolled conditions. However, even in the second study, the range of results reported for each cholesterol oxide for the same food sample was much wider than is desirable.
    Dairy foods


    Cholesterol oxides have not been reported in fresh, traditional and ultra-high temperature pasteurized, condensed and skimmed milk. Full cream milk may contain 20–30 μg/g18 while commercial milk powders and infant formulas contain very low levels of cholesterol oxides.19 Freshly opened full cream powders that had been packed under inert gas only contained traces of cholesterol oxides (25 ng/g total fat). Full fat cream powders that had been stored unopened for 1 year also contained very low levels of cholesterol oxides. The values obtained by Rose-Sallin et al.19 were comparable to the results obtained by Nourooz-Zadeh and Appelqvist20 who demonstrated that fresh milk powders produced by low or medium heat spray-drying contained very low amounts of cholesterol oxides.

    Cholesterol oxides have been reported in blancmange powder, pancake powder and cheese stored at room temperature.6 Fresh butter manufactured by batch or continuous methods contains only traces of 7-ketocholesterol at the detection limit,20 as the cholesterol in butter appears to be quite stable to oxidation because most fatty acids are saturated. Storage of the butter at 4°C for up to 4 months caused an increase in the levels of isomeric 5,6-epoxycholesterols, while heating the butter for 10 min between 150 and 200°C, under conditions similar to shallow pan frying, caused a gradual increase in total cholesterol oxides from 0 to 2.5 μg/g in the butter.20

    Dairy spreads tend to contain higher amounts of unsaturated fatty acids, which favour cholesterol oxide formation.21 This is a real problem, since there has been an increase in the consumption of dairy spreads as nutritionists have advised people to decrease their intake of saturated fats. Nielson et al.21 also noted that there was a lag phase of 7 weeks in cholesterol oxidation in dairy spread stored at 4°C, after which there was a rapid rise in the cholesterol oxide content. This could well be a problem as dairy spread is normally considered to have a shelf life of up to 10 weeks at 4°C. Very low levels of cholesterol oxides could be observed when the dairy spread was stored at –18°C, even after 13 weeks.

    Soft and hard cheeses contain only traces of some cholesterol oxides, while grated cheeses (which have a high surface area) contain 0.5–2.2 μg/g of cholesterol oxides in the lipid fraction.20 Generally speaking, fresh cheese contains very low levels of cholesterol oxides but grated cheeses (with a high surface area), such as Parmesan and Romano, contain between 6 and 32 μg/g.22
    Egg and egg products


    Eggs contain a relatively high content of cholesterol (approximately 200 mg/egg) and fresh egg yolks are virtually free of cholesterol oxides.6 Unfortunately, cooking and dehydration considerably increase the cholesterol oxide content. Spray-dried egg yolk powder contains the highest levels of total cholesterol oxides (55–113 mg/100 g); epoxides were the most abundant cholesterol oxide in this study.18 Sarantinos et al.18 went on to show that domestic frying of eggs also resulted in cholesterol oxide production. Commercially prepared foods that contain egg products, such as egg pasta, cakes, sweet biscuits and mayonnaise, may have significant cholesterol oxide contents.6,23,24
    Meat and meat products


    Only trace amounts of cholesterol oxides have been found in fresh meat,25 but meat products can be one of the most important sources of cholesterol oxides in the diet.2,4,6 An increase in cholesterol oxidation does occur in beef, veal and pork after being stored frozen for three months.10 The generation of cholesterol oxides in prepared food is influenced by many factors, for instance, contact with air/ oxygen, temperature treatment during processing, exposure to light, presence of metal ions, level of antioxidants, packaging methods and storage conditions.6,7,17 Beef hamburgers contained higher levels of total cholesterol oxides when compared to meatballs containing 50% pork/50% beef (Table 3).26 Larkeson et al.26 also found that the cholesterol oxide content of the raw and prefried products increased when they were fried. The levels of cholesterol oxide content of all products increased if they were stored in the dark for either 1 or 2 weeks at 4°C; the greatest increase was seen in the prefried hamburgers (Table 3).

    Rodriguez-Estrada et al.7 also evaluated the effect of different cooking methods on cholesterol oxidation of beef hamburgers, detecting a higher content of 7-ketocholesterol in the combination of roasting and microwave heating, as compared with other cooking treatments (Table 4). However, the storage conditions in the supermarket, where refrigerated meat is subjected to continuous lighting, could be a major factor in the development of lipid oxidation in raw ground meat.7

    Processes such as freeze-drying, dehydration and irradiation have also been reported to lead to the increased production of cholesterol oxides in meats.6 The effects of processing technology and cholesterol oxidation of salami were studied.27 It was found that the amount of 7-ketocholesterol ranged from 1.2 to 2.7 μg/g in lipids, reaching its highest value one week after the oven treatment for the activation of the fermentation process. The effect of UV irradiation (1800 μwatt/cm2 for 1 min) on cholesterol oxidation of three sliced meat products (Milan-type salami, mortadella and cooked ham), after storage at 4°C under modified atmosphere, has also been evaluated.28 Sampling was performed at three different stages: (i) just after the treatment (0 weeks); (ii) at the average commercial shelf life time of the corresponding untreated products (12, 6 and 4 weeks for salami, mortadella and cooked ham, respectively); (iii) when modifications on the sensory profile of the products were detected by an expert panel (20, 8 and 8 weeks for salami, mortadella and cooked ham, respectively). Treated samples were compared with untreated ones (controls). As can be observed in Table 5, UV irradiation enhanced cholesterol oxidation resulting, in general, in higher levels of 7-ketocholesterol in the UV-irradiated products, as compared to those of the untreated ones. However, the untreated cooked products (mortadella and cooked ham) already presented a certain degree of oxidation at the beginning of the study, which is probably due to the processing technology. In addition, the cooking procedure partially masked the oxidizing effects of UV irradiation in these cooked products.

    In contrast, Novelli et al.29 found that the cholesterol oxide content of fresh and frozen pork was very low and despite the fact that mincing, storage and cooking are all considered processes that might induce oxidative changes in meat, the levels found in salame Milano and mortadella were again very low. It is possible that additives such as nitrites and ascorbic acid may have a positive role in reducing oxidative processes in these processed foods. One of the main problems in comparing the cholesterol oxide content of meat and meat products is the wide range of methods used to measure them, as mentioned above.6

    The potential to consume more cholesterol oxides increases as prepared precooked products are becoming more popular in modern Western diets, where prepared foods are in great demand because they take little time to cook at home.
    Sea food


    Low levels of cholesterol oxides have been observed in fresh, frozen and smoked herring, ranging from 5.5 to 9.2 μg total cholesterol oxides/g lipids and rising to 10.4 μg/g in fried herring.30 In contrast, the cholesterol oxide content of salt-dried fish varied according to the fish species. In fact, Pacific cod, Northern cod and anchovy displayed a mean of 15.2 μg/g, 20.8 μg/g and 127.3 μg/g, respectively.31

    Many locally caught Japanese fish contain relatively low levels of cholesterol oxides.32 It was observed that Japanese whiting and Pacific round herring exhibited small increases in cholesterol oxides after grilling, whereas other fish, such as squid, displayed no change after grilling. When both boiled and dried anchovies were grilled for 6 min at 220°C, the cholesterol oxide content increased markedly when compared to the levels found in the boiled and dried anchovies; however, it appeared to decrease slightly on further grilling.33 Dietary supplementation of α-tocopherol or the treatment of the Rainbow trout fillets with an oleoresin rosemary dip significantly reduced the formation of cholesterol oxides during subsequent cooking.34 The levels of cholesterol oxides found in various processed marine products raise some questions about the potential safety of these products, which are normally considered beneficial for health.
    Other processed foods


    If a food product is cooked in butter or tallow, the possibility of cholesterol oxide absorption exists. Total cholesterol oxides ranged from 20 to 24 μg/g in French-fried potatoes, and other deep-fried foods cooked in animal/vegetable fat were a major source of cholesterol in the US diet. Fortunately, tallow is no longer widely used in many countries.35 The amount of cholesterol oxides in fried foods depend on a number of factors, such as the composition of the frying fat, the length of frying time and the cooking temperature. If the food is battered, then the absorption of fat into this layer can be considerable. Recently, a study on cholesterol oxidation of chicken cutlets was performed, in which the raw meat, the breaded raw pieces and the fast-fried cutlets obtained from four different producers were monitored.36 The results showed that 7-ketocholesterol was already present in the raw meat that was used for the cutlets, but it increased markedly after being subjected to the thermal treatment (Table 6). No 7-ketocholesterol was detected in the frying oil, even though a small amount of cholesterol did solubilize in the oil during frying.
    Storage of foods


    Cholesterol-containing foods that are heated during processing, as well as those that are dried and then stored, have a high cholesterol oxide content.6 Storage in non-ideal conditions (O2 permeability, exposure to heat and light) can lead to a further increase in their cholesterol oxides levels.6,37 For instance, storage of whole milk powders in oxygen impermeable materials, such as glass, reduced the rate of cholesterol oxide production, when compared to polyethylene pouches.38

    On the other hand, data on the effect of storage on the level of cholesterol oxides in presently available dairy spreads, has not been reported in the literature. It would be expected to be relatively low as these mixed spreads (containing butter and margarine) are packaged in cream or white containers, which reduces the amount of light reaching the product. Many of these products have a metal foil cover over the top, which would also protect the product from light exposure. In any case, it is also clear that the larger companies do not allow their product to remain in supermarket shelves long enough for the development of cholesterol oxides to become a major problem.
    Why are cholesterol oxides so important in human nutrition?


    Cholesterol oxides in foods are efficiently absorbed into the blood stream.39,40 Endogenous and food-sourced cholesterol oxides are transported in the low density lipoprotein (LDL) to the liver.41-43 More recent studies have shown that unesterified cholesterol oxides associate readily with serum albumin.44

    Most sterols, including cholesterol and cholesterol oxides, are eliminated from the body through the bile secretions, even though it is not clear that cholesterol oxides share the same pathways for bile synthesis as cholesterol. Javitt has shown that a separate group of p-450 7α-hydrolysases catalyze cholesterol oxides separately.

    Many cholesterol oxides exhibit atherogenic properties and an ability to modulate cholesterol metabolism. In animal feeding studies, where cholesterol oxides were fed at relatively high levels, cholesterol oxides were more potent than pure cholesterol in causing aortic endothelial damage and inducing arteriosclerosis.46 Parasassi et al.47 in fact, have proven that LDL hydroperoxides induce proteolysis of the aorta fibers.

    The 7β-hydroxycholesterol concentration of the serum was the strongest predictor of rapid progression of carotid arteriosclerosis in humans.48 In studies where healthy young men were fed salami and Parmesan cheese, it is interesting to note that 90% of the cholesterol oxides in the plasma were acyl esters and less than 10% were non-esterified cholesterol oxides.40 This suggests that great care has to be taken in the analysis of cholesterol oxides in food materials to make sure that the acyl esters are completely hydrolysed before separation and analysis. Linseisen and Wolfram40 did highlight the reported wide range of the cholesterol oxide contents of salami and Parmesan cheese, which relates to the manufacturing and analysis methods utilized.

    The substantial amount of cholesterol oxides found in Indian ghee (12.3% of the total cholesterol content) would explain the high risk of arteriosclerosis observed in Indian immigrant populations in the USA and in the UK, since this is a food material consumed in significant amounts by this subgroup of the population.14
    Conclusions


    Until recently, the understanding of the physiological importance of cholesterol oxides has been limited by the lack of analytical procedures to analyse foods with sufficient sensitivity and accuracy. The important issue now is to establish which of the several methods available gives the most reliable results. Until this has been established with confidence, it is not easy to compare the results that are being published by a number of well-established research groups. In any case, there is no doubt that cholesterol oxides have a considerable negative effect on human metabolism far above the levels found in the tissues. Van de Bovenkamp et al.,9 using a duplicate diet technique, were able to calculate that a person eating an average diet in the Netherlands would consume 1 mg of 7-β-hydroxycholesterol and 0.5 mg of cholesterol-α-epoxide per day. It is not possible to say whether this level of intake is acceptable or not but most authors suggest overall that the levels of intake of cholesterol oxides should be reduced.

    The prevention of cholesterol oxidation in foods could be reduced in a number of ways (Table 7). It is clear that a reduction in total cholesterol content would have a significant effect on the amount of cholesterol oxides in a food. Another approach would be to incorporate antioxidants, such as α-tocopherol, into the diet prior to slaughter and processing.49 Addition of antioxidants into food during processing, processing food at as low a temperature as possible, packaging food to exclude O238 and storage in low light conditions50 would all have the effect of reducing the rate of cholesterol oxidation.

    It is clear that cholesterol oxides are formed in high cholesterol processed foods during storage. Manufacturers of these products need to consider all the ways that can be used to prevent the development of these unnecessary atherogenic compounds in food. In many cases, greater attention to packaging and storage conditions would make a significant contribution.
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    Re: Oxidiertes Cholesterin

    basti10 - 22.08.2007, 08:46


    wie schätzt du die Gefahren von oxidiertem Cholesterin ein?

    eigentlich müsste sich der Mensch ja schon zumindest teilweise daran angepasst haben.

    Eigentlich müsste das "schlechte" Cholesterin im Blut bei einer lc-diät ja dann steigen, da man sich viel mehr oxidiertes Cholesterin zuführt als bei einer normalen Diät, oder?
    Die Praxis zeigt ja eher das Gegenteil.



    Re: Oxidiertes Cholesterin

    zarathustra - 22.08.2007, 21:28


    Ich denke, es gibt Schlimmeres als oxidiertes Cholesterin in der Nahrung. Gesund kann es aber auch nicht sein und wenn es irgendwie geht, versuche ich es zu vermeiden.
    Wie wir heute wissen, ist oxidiertes Cholesterin der Hauptgrund, warum Cholesterin in einigen Tierversuchen zu artherioskeloritschen Veränderungen geführt hat. In der Anfangszeit der Cholesterintheorie, war man sich des Unterschieds zwischen unversehrtem und oxidiertem Cholesterin gar nicht bewusst und man hat nicht gemerkt, dass das in den Versuchen verwendete Cholesterin nicht mehr intakt war. Diese falschen Testergebnisse haben wahrscheinlich wesentlich zum schlechten Ruf von Cholesterin beigetragen, der ihm heute noch anhaftet.

    Leider gibt's zum Thema noch relativ wenig Untersuchungen am Menschen und so ist fraglich, inwiefern man die negativen Tierstudien auf den Menschen übertragen kann und ob die Dosen, die man in verschiedenen Lebensmitteln findet, genug hoch sind, um schädigende Wirkungen zu entfalten.

    Die schädliche Wirkung von oxidiertem Cholesterin muss nicht zwingend über eine Erhöhung von LDL erfolgen. Wie Anthony Colpo in einem seiner Artikel darauf hingewiesen hat, kommt es ohnehin nicht auf die absolute Höhe von LDL, sondern nur auf das oxidierte LDL an. Letzteres muss nicht unbedingt mit ersterem korrelieren.
    Das aus der Nahrung aufgenommene oxidierte Cholesterin könnte über eine Störung hormoneller Vorgänge Schaden anrichten.

    Hier mal ein Ausschnitt aus Ulrike Gonders Buch "Fett":

    Zitat:
    Die Lebensmittelindustrie versorgt uns nicht nur mit unerwünschten Trans-Fettsäuren, sondern auch mit fragwürdigen Cholesterin-Abkommlingen: So genannte Oxycholesterine entstehen bei der industriellen Produktion von Eipulver, Milchpulver, Sprühfetten oder geriebenem Parmesankase. Kommen die cholesterinhaltigen Lebensmittel mit Luft in Kontakt, wird ein Teil des Cholesterins in Oxycholesterine umgewandelt.166
    Wahrend das „normale" Cholesterin harmlos ist, lösen die oxidierten Cholesterine sowohl im Tierversuch als auch in menschlichen Zellen genau solche Veränderungen aus, die fur Arteriosklerose und Herzinfarkt verantwortlich gemacht werden: Sie verändern die Zellmembranen, hemmen die Bildung von Eicos, fördern das Zusammenkleben von Blutplättchen und stören den Abbau der LDL-Partikel. Sie verdädern die Verteilung des Cholesterins im Körper, fördern die Bildung von Plaques und reichern sich in der „bösen" LDL-Fraktion an. Sie gelangen aus der Nahrung unverändert ins Blut und damit in alle Körperzellen.151,155-158 Anhand dieser langen Liste von Untaten scheint es, als hatten wir mit den Oxycholesterinen endlich den „Schuldigen" in Sachen Arteriosklerose gefunden.
    Allerdings bildet der Körper in der Leber und in den Nebennieren auch Oxycholesterine. Mit ihrer Hilfe reguliert er sogar den Cholesterinspiegel: Wenn nötig, hemmen sie die Cholesterinbildung und fördern dessen Ausscheidung.159 Die Oxycholesterine gelangen bis in den Zellkern, wo sie wichtige Gene zur Steuerung des Fett- und Cholesterinstoffwechsels ein- und ausschalten konnen.13,160-162 Das Cholesterin selbst scheint also nur die Reservesubstanz im Organismus zu sein, die eigentlichen Wirkstoffe ausgerechnet die Oxycholesterine.166
    Wie lasst sich dieser Widerspruch erklaren? Es ist nur ein scheinbarer Wiederspruch, denn im Gegensatz zur gezielten und kontrollierten Bildung bestimmter Oxycholesterine im Körper entstehen während der Lebensmittelverarbeitung unter Luftzutritt Oxidationsprodukte in unkontrollierter Menge und unbekannter Zusammensetzung. Darunter befinden sich dann auch jene giftigen Verbindungen, die den Fettstoffwechsel stören und die Arteriosklerose fördern.166 Puddingpulver, Mikrowellenmenus, Mayonnaisen, Nudeln, Eis oder andere Fertigprodukte enthalten statt frischer Eier heute haufig Eipulver. Das ist leichter zu verarbeiten und billiger. Die Oxycholesterin-Gehalte lagen manchmal höher als die Mengen, die im Tierversuch zu arteriosklerotischen Veranderungen geführt hatten, vor allem, wenn sie large gelagert worden waren.166 So vervierfachten sich die Oxycholesterin-Gehalte von Keksen, die mit Eipulver gebacken waren, innerhalb von einem Monat.163 Wer also aus Angst urn sein Herz auks Butterbrot verzichtet und stattdessen Margarine, „rein pflanzliche" Kekse. Nuss-Nugat-Cremes oder „ausgewogene" Fertigmenüs verzehrt, nimmt reichlich bedenkliche trans-Fettsauren und herzschädigende Oxycholesterine auf. So riskant kann es sein, sich an Ernahrungsempfehlungen zu halten.


    Die internationalen Cholesterol-Skeptiker habena auf ihrer Seite auch mal eine Diskussion zum Thema oxidiertem Cholesterin geführt. Hier ein paar Beiträge:
    Zitat:
    Kilmer McCully

    Eddie and skeptics:
    On the topic of ghee, remember that heated butter contains high concentrations of cholesterol oxides, which are highly angiotoxic, causing early arterial intimal plaques within 24 hours of administration to animals. Highly purified preparations of cholesterol containing no cholesterol oxides produce no evidence of arterial plaques when administered to animals. In the report by Marc S. Jacobsen in Lancet of September 19, 1987, pages 656-658, ghee was found to contain about 12.3% of all sterols in the form of cholesterol oxides, primarily 7-hydroxycholesterol, 25-hydroxy cholesterol, 20-alpha-hydroxy cholesterol, 25-hydroxy cholesterol epoxide, and traces of cholestanetriol. Jacobsen attributed the high morbidity and mortality from coronary heart disease of Asian Indians in the London area to consumption of ghee containing these angiotoxic oxysterols.


    Uffe Ravnskov
    Kilmer and other skeptics!
    Jacobsen is probably right when he speculates that oxidized cholesterol may induce vascular changes in animals, while purified cholesterol does not. But is it relevant? I mean, is there any other evidence that oxidized cholesterol is a villain? The salient counter-argument against Jacobsen, is, as I see it, that the vascular changes produced by feeding animals with excessive amounts of lipids and oxidized cholesterol (and many other things) has nothing to do with atherosclerosis. This has been demonstrated most convincingly by William Stehbens, see for instance Prog Cardiovasc Dis. 1986 Sep-Oct;29(2):107-28.


    Eddie Vos

    Brief response: let's all agree that non-oxidized cholesterol is vital and that oxidized/degraded cholesterol [including that found in butter derived ghee] is not beneficial for health [there is a resemblance to rancid > polyunsaturates, also hormone(-like) precursors]. IF, like here, in Indiathe "M.I. epidemic" is less than 100 years old, the traditional uses before that of ghee, or butter, are not particularly deleterious. That > brings me back to things like B vitamin and omega-3 deficiencies. >


    Uffe Ravnskov

    Eddie
    I do not agree. The case is open until you present the evidence against the assumed villain, oxidized/degraded cholesterol. Don't judge by hearsay or appearance.


    Eddie Vos

    According to my understanding of fatty acids turning into ("per")oxidized hormones [C20's] by specific COX and other -genases I can see why rancid fats [pre-peroxidized fats] can have deleterious effect in our control mechanisms if they get sucked into [fit in] the enzymes present. Similarly, cholesterol on its way to our steroid hormones also undergo specific changes and I would think that pre-peroxidized cholesterol can generate damaged hormone-like molecules [and our macrophages appear to feast on them for a reason]. There must be sound logic behind the report that all cholesterol in the brain is synthesized in situ, the brain taking no chances with damaged cholesterol. Considering there are no known benefits of oxidized cholesterol and since mankind is the only [recent] species consuming the stuff, I can see reasons to avoid it, being atherosclerotic or not. Trans fats in common oils also have no know nutritional benefit and some demonstrated harm. Same kind of thinking suggests avoidance.


    Barry Groves

    But, Kilmer, eaters of ghee in India, half a century ago, didn't suffer from cardiovascular disease. As Asian Indians in London do, then some other agent may be at work. I propose Malcolm's "emigration" as a likely contender. The Rosetan, Irish Brothers, Japanese and Tokelau immigrant studies lend weight to this being a cause. I don't put much store by dietary studies on animals, by the way, particularly as far as fats are concerned. I am not convinced that lab rats' or rabbits' metabolic responses are necessarily the same as ours in similar circumstances.


    Kilmer McCully

    Eddie and Uffe, et al
    I agree with Uffe that the possible angiotoxic effects of cholesterol oxides in human atherogenesis require extensive investigation of the concentration of these compounds in human diets along with assessment of their effects, if any, on morbidity and mortality from coronary heart disease. Very few studies have been published on the effects of cholesterol oxides in human arteriosclerosis. The ultrastructural features of the vascular lesions induced by cholesterol oxides in animals include intimal craters, blebs, with apoptosis of intimal cells, edema, necrosis of smooth muscle cells, and other evidence of intimal damage. These changes are a long way from the advanced atherosclerotic plaques observed in humandisease. To me this field is a promising one for future research. The possible relation of dietary cholesterol oxides to the pathogenesis of human arteriosclerosis remains to be established by future investigation in this area, in my opinion.


    Uffe Ravnskov

    Skeptics!

    Attached are two interesting papers (Lehr HA, Arfors KE Curr Opin Hematol 1994;1:92-9; Lehr, Balz Frei, Olofsson, Carew, Arfors. Circulation. 1995;91:1525-1532) about leucocyte function, relevant to our discussion about oxidized cholesterol, co-authored and sent to me by our new member Karl Arfors. In particular, I was impressed by figure 2 in the paper. Karl will try to get the full paper of the abstract.

    As usual, good science gives rise to more questions than answers. Evidently, oxidized cholesterol makes leucocytes adhere to the walls of the aorta, the arterioles and the postcapillary venules and this adherence can be prevented by vit C. But is this the start of atherosclerosis? And if it is, why are the venes protected but not the arteries? And does it matter to eat oxidized cholesterol? Aren´t oxized cholesterol and other oxidative agents taken care of during their passage through the capillaries of the intestine and the liver before they reach the arterial system? And if not, why aren´t vena porta and vena hepatica atherosclerotic? Also, if free radicals from tobacco smoke and other exhausts and chemicals get access via the pulmonary capillaries, why aren´t the pulmonary veins atherosclerotic?

    William Stehbens may probably tell us that it is because arteries are exposed to higher pressure and flow, and there is much evidence to support that view, but how come that no raised lesions were seen in the arteries of the Masai warriors, who according to George Mann were exposed to strenous exercise most of the day? And how come, that the only treatment in the numerous angiographic trials that has exhibited dose-response is exercise?

    As I see it we have many interesting hypotheses around us, but none of them are able to explain all the features of atherosclerosis.


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