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    Re: unknown crash site - Lancaster??

    sascha - 14.04.2008, 17:41

    unknown crash site - Lancaster??
    Hi everybody, I think it is time to say hello!

    I´m coming from Dinslaken/Germany, a small city between Wesel and Duisburg.

    Since a few years I investigate the crash sites nearby my hometown for clearing the aircraft´s identities and the crew´s fates.


    End of 2006 I got a crash site shown by an eyewitness – today there is still a big impact crater in the ground inside a small forest.

    I found a lot of debris in the area with some stamps and numbers on them. There is evidence that it has been an Avro Lancaster (?) (R3 = AVRO).

    Sadly I have no details of the exact crash date from our local literature so it is still an unknown aircraft for me. I only have an assumption – R5640!

    The exact crash place is Dinslaken Hiesfeld – Hünxe (stated crash place of R5640) is not far away!

    Eyewitness told me that the crash must happened at night before 1944; the aircraft came down like a stone after a direct hit by flak.

    The found cartridges are stamped:

    1942 RG WI
    1941 __ WI
    1942 K2 __

    In addition I found two very interesting plates:
    A plate from the magnetos (?) …


    MANUFACTURED FOR
    PACKARD MOTOR CAR COMPANY
    BY
    DELCO APPLIANCE DIVISION
    GENERAL MOTORS CORPORATION
    ROC??STER NY
    TYPE SF ? ? AP
    PEC PM 200
    DATE ?0 6
    SERIAL 7277
    ORDER MSU 5
    BRITISH TYPE C5SE12S/2
    MADE IN USA


    … and a plate with the Serial Numbers of the onboard machineguns(??):

    TYPE. 50A 8?
    SERIAL No. 686
    MOD: TUR:
    ARM 152
    / 161
    / 165
    / 186
    / 213
    / 246


    Has anybody an idea to analyze these facts? Can anybody help me by solving that riddle?

    I will attach some more pictures of some debris with stamps and numbers.

    And a big sorry for my terrible English!!


    Additional I have an unknown B24 crash place too. I will post it the next days…!





























    Re: unknown crash site - Lancaster??

    Pathfinder - 14.04.2008, 23:29


    Hi Sascha,

    welcome to our APi-Board !


    Lancaster R5640 OL-D crashed on 08.06.1942 at Huxne, Germany.
    All 7 Crew member killed and buried at Reichswald Forest. If you need more details, let me know.

    Some parts i can identify:

    Photo #2
    looks like similar as this plate from fuel tank of Wellington.
    look this thread http://www.iphpbb.com/board/viewtopic.php?nxu=81805422nx79380&t=643&highlight=fuel

    Photo #9
    show a part from oxygen system (Oxygen master for H.P. breathing apparatus)

    Photo #11
    looks like as a holder to fixing the pedals from pilot. Here a similar part from
    Mosquito crash site:






    The stamps from cartridges means:

    RG = England
    K2 = England (George Kynoch Ltd., Standish)


    Regards from Kiel
    Nils



    Re: unknown crash site - Lancaster??

    sascha - 15.04.2008, 22:29


    Hi Nils,

    thanks a million! :I

    I promised you some months before that I will join your board one day! I don´t know if you still remember me – I have told you from the Spitfire crash site of Hans Hagbart Lorentzen, 332 Sqn..

    Sadly I only have information about R5640 from Bomber Command losses and lostbombers. If you have any more let me know please. Possibly I can get more details of its exact crash site at Hünxe – if this is not R5640.



    Re: unknown crash site - Lancaster??

    sascha - 06.05.2008, 08:06


    I think second plate is not from the machine guns!

    It looks like the mod plate from the Frazer-Nash FN-50 mid-upper turret!

    http://www.spitfirespares.com/SpitfireSpares.com/Pages/armaments.html



    Re: unknown crash site - Lancaster??

    sascha - 06.05.2008, 08:23


    Any idea??


    A7 30384

    R3 69K

    R3 354 Z Y | 30399










    Re: unknown crash site - Lancaster??

    sascha - 06.05.2008, 08:28


    I think now I have the definite proof for a Lancaster crash site – I found the scale of the fuel gauge from the flight engineer´s panel! Tell me if I´m wrong!




    But I still have no matching Lancaster for that crash site!

    Today I know it cannot be R5640!!

    I have cleaned the plate from the magnetos again and identified more numerics:

    MANUFACTURED FOR
    PACKARD MOTOR CAR COMPANY
    BY
    DELCO APPLIANCE DIVISION
    GENERAL MOTORS CORPORATION
    ROC??STER NY
    TYPE SF1 2LAP1
    PEC PM 2001
    DATE 10 6 ?2
    SERIAL 7277
    ORDER MSU 5
    BRITISH TYPE C5SE12S/2
    MADE IN USA

    R5640 crashed on 08.06.1942 – but the production date of the magnetos is 06.10.1942!

    Now I´m back at square one and need your help!

    Has anybody information or data about any Lancaster that crashed in the area of Dinslaken, Voerde or Hünxe??



    Re: unknown crash site - Lancaster??

    Roy N - 06.05.2008, 12:44


    Hi Sascha,
    i dont know if this helps but as the data plates you have are from equipment made in America, its possible that these are from an aircraft made under licence in Canada and fitted with Packard engines not Rolls Royce Merlins.
    as for the dates, the Americans write dates differently to the UK.
    they put the month and then the day. its the other way round in the UK
    American 06.10.1942 would would be 10th june 1942. not 6th october 1942

    Cheers
    Roy



    Re: unknown crash site - Lancaster??

    Pathfinder - 06.05.2008, 19:44


    ...a small, but very important different :n156:


    Regards
    Nils



    Re: unknown crash site - Lancaster??

    sascha - 07.05.2008, 09:14


    Thanks for reply! :n48:

    What´s about inspector stamps? Are there some stamps that prove a Canadian Lancaster?



    Re: unknown crash site - Lancaster??

    sascha - 22.07.2008, 11:23


    I have found this instrument display last week. Can anybody tell me it´s function?? :sad:





    Thanks!



    Re: unknown crash site - Lancaster??

    PDAAR - 22.07.2008, 15:08


    If it was a Canadian built Lancaster Mk.X (Victory Aircraft - Avro Canada) I wouldn't expect to see R3 stamps which were used at Woodford, Newton Heath and Chadderton, only narrows it to a few thousend aircraft then.

    The plant at Yeadon had RY, and not having seen a Victory Aircraft stamp before I can't say for certain what they used.

    I doubt it would be VA as that was used by Vickers for Weybridge and general parts.

    I think the Packard built engines were fitted to Mk.III aircraft (though not exclusively) as well as the Canadian built Mk.Xs. Engines built by Ford at Trafford Park tended to be fitted to Metropolitan Vickers built aircraft and on the whole it was RR powerplants in the Mk.Is and Armstrong Whitworth built examples but then with regular engine changes who knows what ended up where.

    One other thing that points to the UK built aircraft are the Air Ministry standard parts, Canadian built examples had many American manufactured parts in place of the AM stamped parts due to supply issues with making the parts and then shipping them against the normal flow across the Atlantic.



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