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Re: The bearer of bad news...again...*sigh*
sasred - 16.01.2006, 02:39The bearer of bad news...again...*sigh*
You know how sometimes you hear things you wish you hadn't?
Heard through a good connection that SR.com have decided NOT to restore the message boards on the official site.
That's right. No more official forums.
Now, I'd heard a different story previously, but that was some time ago, and opinions often change with the blowing wind in that office, or at least that's my experience as a long-time fan...
I can only hope this isn't true. But I'm not holding my breath.
So it looks like we're the main game in town now!!
Hope we can rise to the challenge. Michi and I are glad to have you all here. And, unlike the old boards, this is YOUR site, TELL US what you'd like to see here, and we'll do what we can to make it happen. Let's make the most of it.
Carry on, all. :oops:
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redorro - 16.01.2006, 03:24
Thanks for the info Sasred. Sad news as it is, I guess we just have to learn to live with it. :cry: . The office does seem a bit backward with information. However, I'm sure they only tell us what they think we (fans) need to know. :devil
But I'm liking what I see on this site. As long as we can keep it clean :wink: we all remain focussed on what we are here for. That is; share SIMPLY RED news, details, buy, sell and swap SR gear and remain honest and friendly with each other.
This will be a fantastic replacement. :D
Cheers Everyone. Pat
Re: The bearer of bad news...again...*sigh*
LoneStarRed - 16.01.2006, 05:13
That is sad news, indeed. On some level, it feels like perhaps SR has decided that the fans are more trouble than they are worth. I surely hope that it not the case.
Fortunately, through the dedication and generosity of others, we can keep our connections strong here and keep the information flowing and the energy high. Thanks so much for all that you do and please let us know if we can help defray and costs you might be incurring.
Peace and Joy,
Karen
Re: The bearer of bad news...again...*sigh*
sasred - 16.01.2006, 05:35
You're welcome, Pat and Karen.
May I also say to those that are reading...don't give up on the official site entirely. They may still occasionally release a chestnut of news we can use (tour dates and the like), and if you're wanting cool SR gear, do use the Shop--Alison runs a tight ship in there, she does a FANTASTIC job. I like to reward hard work and dedication, and she's got both. SHE cares about the fans. :-D :top
But for a place to hang out with fellow fans...hope you can call our little boards here "home". :-D
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yolanda - 16.01.2006, 06:11
Sad news indeed and somehow I already had the feeling this might be the case.
Thanks for telling us Shannon.
Love Yolanda :-(
Re: The bearer of bad news...again...*sigh*
LoneStarRed - 16.01.2006, 07:04
sasred wrote: You're welcome, Pat and Karen.
May I also say to those that are reading...don't give up on the official site entirely. They may still occasionally release a chestnut of news we can use (tour dates and the like), and if you're wanting cool SR gear, do use the Shop--Alison runs a tight ship in there, she does a FANTASTIC job. I like to reward hard work and dedication, and she's got both. SHE cares about the fans. :-D :top
But for a place to hang out with fellow fans...hope you can call our little boards here "home". :-D
I will always love SR music and Band members. I am also still buying from the shop. The "CUBA" DVD is phenomenal. However, I cannot help but be aware that the only interaction now solicited between the fans and SR seems to be via our pocketbooks. After all of the support and promotion that we have provided, I find that rather insensitive.
The key thing is that the relationships that we have built amongst each other don't have to be lost. This place does feel like "home" already and the decor is just lovely!
Peace and Joy,
Karen
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linmark - 16.01.2006, 07:58
We have each other .....and we cordially invite
everyone from the band, managers, roadies, whoever
would like to visit us here to please feel welcome.....
stop in, ask US some questions, stay and visit a bit...
Love,
Lin+Mark
:oops: 8)
Re: The bearer of bad news...again...*sigh*
sasred - 16.01.2006, 08:32
LoneStarRed wrote: sasred wrote: You're welcome, Pat and Karen.
May I also say to those that are reading...don't give up on the official site entirely. They may still occasionally release a chestnut of news we can use (tour dates and the like), and if you're wanting cool SR gear, do use the Shop--Alison runs a tight ship in there, she does a FANTASTIC job. I like to reward hard work and dedication, and she's got both. SHE cares about the fans. :-D :top
But for a place to hang out with fellow fans...hope you can call our little boards here "home". :-D
I will always love SR music and Band members. I am also still buying from the shop. The "CUBA" DVD is phenomenal. However, I cannot help but be aware that the only interaction now solicited between the fans and SR seems to be via our pocketbooks. After all of the support and promotion that we have provided, I find that rather insensitive.
The key thing is that the relationships that we have built amongst each other don't have to be lost. This place does feel like "home" already and the decor is just lovely!
Peace and Joy,
Karen
Point well noted and taken, Karen. I feel the same way, believe me. To not give us the time of day after all we've done as fans...rude. Plain and simple. But I mention the shop and Alison not to push the goods, but because I know that she is removed from the craziness that is the main SR offices (based in London; she is in Basildon, Essex), and has had nothing to do with the decisions that have been passed down lately. All she does is run the Shop. And she does it well. She's been very kind and helpful and I want people to know that I don't implicate her in all this. She, in many respects, is only a step or two ahead of us as far as knowing what's going on. They don't tell her much either...I guess it's a "need to know" basis, and I guess they figure since all she does for the organization is fill orders, she doesn't need to know much. :?
Be mad at the right people, is I guess the point I was trying to make. :-D
But I'm glad you like it here. We are keeping in touch, keeping the "family" together...that's what I like to see, fellow fans really looking out for one another, and for the band as well. The musicians didn't have a say in all this, either...they still deserve our love and support. I'm glad one of them is among us, and hope the others follow, so we can still share our mutual love of music with one another, and some good humor too. Me personally, I want this to be a place where people really feel comfortable and relaxed, that they can come here and say what's on their mind, keep it real. If it ever starts to not feel that way to anyone, I want to be told immediately. I'm sure Michi and everyone else feels the same.
Glad you like the decor!! Too bad we can't add curtains, a rug, and a hearth to sit around sipping our favorite beverages... :D :wink:
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LoneStarRed - 16.01.2006, 16:51
Shannon,
I agree with you 100% Thanks for the clarification. There may not be curtains and pillows strewn about but it feels quite cozy here all the same.
Hugs,
Karen
:top
Re: The bearer of bad news...again...*sigh*
simplymichi - 16.01.2006, 17:11
This is really bad news and I wish it wasn't true :motz
Is the last word already spoken? I'm not sure if we are strong enough, but maybe we could start a petition!? No matter whether it's successful or not ... but I think they should notice that there are fans (many fans) who feel excluded.
In the meantime I'm absolutely happy you all like this place.
x x x Michi
Re: The bearer of bad news...again...*sigh*
sasred - 16.01.2006, 17:17
Petition...not a bad idea.
Re: The bearer of bad news...again...*sigh*
LoneStarRed - 16.01.2006, 17:38
I don't want the website to be rebuilt grudgingly - like they HAVE to do it to shut us up. I want to feel that they value us as fans and want to build a SR "community" with an exchange of ideas and information. If all they intend to offer is information regarding ticket and merchandise purchases - I can find that here or elsewhere or just stumble over it like the less dedicated fans do.
I am just considering asking to be removed from the SR mailinglist and stating that I didn't join the list merely to have a place to shop and they could contact me if the site ever becomes a source of comprehensive information and community again.
I am truly not angry about this but I am hurt and disappointed that we are apparently held in such low regard that they can't even be bothered to provide band member bios and photos and a discography. I am not going to beg them or cajole them or try to lobby for something that seems to me to be a standard in the industry these days.
For better or worse, official fan sites, replete with forums and chat, bios, pictures, discographies, etc., are part and parcel of the music industry landscape. They drive the Buzz and the Buzz drives CD, concert ticket, and merchandise sales. Artists that are part of the music industry machine recognize their importance and independent artists understand that they are their lifeblood.
Jesus! Were we really all THAT annoying?
Karen
Re: The bearer of bad news...again...*sigh*
LoneStarRed - 16.01.2006, 18:00
I decided to put my money where my mouth is and I just sent this email to the mailinglist:
"I respectfully request to be removed from the Simply Red mailing list.
I didn't join the list merely to have a place to shop for Simply Red merchandise and concert tickets.
I would welcome being contacted again if the site ever returns to being a source of comprehensive information and community, as it once was.
A Faithful but Disappointed Fan,"
and I signed my name. Anyone else who would like to copy the text of my email is welcome to do so. If I am going to put all of my eggs in one basket, it's going to be the one right here on this site where I feel truly welcome.
Peace and Joy!
Karen
:?
Re: The bearer of bad news...again...*sigh*
Dimi - 16.01.2006, 18:11Dimi
Jeez, this really is very bad news and I hope it is not true.
I am wondering why though..
Does any of you have a reason as to why they will not put the forums and chat up again?
I am crossing my fingers that the news is not true (sorry Shannon) and that they will put the forums and chat back on.
The site as it is now is not much fun at all.
Sorry....
X a sad Dimi
Re: The bearer of bad news...again...*sigh*
sasred - 16.01.2006, 18:18
Well put, Karen, and I like what you wrote before as well. I've seen how fans of other groups are, and I have to say that SR fans are some of the most mellow, well-behaved, laid back fans a band could ask for. Yeah, there's a few live wires in the bunch, but this is the nature of fandom...some WILL take it too far. Most of us keep it on the level, though, so I've never understood why we've been treated so weirdly. I will say that when the fan base was on a smaller scale, the offices DID seem to be better about disseminating information...but even then, there was this bizarre level of secrecy that I didn't think needed to be there. It's only gotten worse over the years. Personal life stuff, that's understandable. But stuff directly relating to career and fan relations? That should be free-flowing. We shouldn't have to beg. You're right.
I don't think genuineness is too much to ask.
And if we, the diehards, are treated this way, imagine how the less dedicated must feel in the odd instance that they have a query, and it goes unanswered? Not much motivation to GET involved, is it?
Well, we took matters into our own hands. Here we are, running an unofficial forum, and it's going well. If we put our minds to it, the sky's the limit, I think...
Thanks for your thoughts. I'm glad you feel comfortable sharing them here. I hope they open the door to further discussion--this is what it's about.
Re: The bearer of bad news...again...*sigh*
sasred - 16.01.2006, 18:26Re: Dimi
Dimi wrote: Jeez, this really is very bad news and I hope it is not true.
I am wondering why though..
Does any of you have a reason as to why they will not put the forums and chat up again?
I am crossing my fingers that the news is not true (sorry Shannon) and that they will put the forums and chat back on.
The site as it is now is not much fun at all.
Sorry....
X a sad Dimi
Chat as far as I know will still be going back up there, just not the forums.
As for the reason why the boards won't return, I did hear one, but it was so ludicrous that I can't even bring myself to repeat it. This very forum is proof to the contrary of it, let's put it that way. I'll save them the embarrassment.
The site isn't much of anything right now, you're right...I spend maybe 30 seconds there a day, tops, where I used to spend hours. Those hours are now spent here.
I'm really hoping I'm wrong, too, Dimi, believe me. I wouldn't have passed the info along if it hadn't come from a credible source though, I've been in the fandom long enough to know when a lead is good.
Maybe they'll change their mind if they have someone checking in on us here and see what they've done...
...but given my experience over the last couple of months, I'm not holding out hope...let's just say I said my piece to them over a related matter, and was met with thunderous silence.
I'm not one to stir the pot for it's own sake, but I call bullshit when I see it. I'm calling it now. :motz
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night nurse - 16.01.2006, 18:30
I'm not ready to give up the ship or point blame. I wonder how much of their decision had to do with the whole "hacker" issue that destroyed the site in the first place. None of us know what took place with that incident. It makes me wonder if there isn't a liability issue going on here that is making them hesitant to start up the forums again. I know nothing about legalities of the internet world but I prefer to think that it is something related to issues such as that rather than their desire not to deal with fans anymore. They certainly know not to bite the hands that feed them.
I am very grateful for this forum and will continue to call it "home". In the meantime I'll have a little faith that the folks at SR.com get things hammered out and regardless of their decision won't hold any negative feelings towards them.
In the meantime I am enjoying everyone here and their knowledge and love of SR!
Angie
Re: The bearer of bad news...again...*sigh*
sasred - 16.01.2006, 18:36
night nurse wrote: I'm not ready to give up the ship or point blame. I wonder how much of their decision had to do with the whole "hacker" issue that destroyed the site in the first place. None of us know what took place with that incident. It makes me wonder if there isn't a liability issue going on here that is making them hesitant to start up the forums again. I know nothing about legalities of the internet world but I prefer to think that it is something related to issues such as that rather than their desire not to deal with fans anymore. They certainly know not to bite the hands that feed them.
I am very grateful for this forum and will continue to call it "home". In the meantime I'll have a little faith that the folks at SR.com get things hammered out and regardless of their decision won't hold any negative feelings towards them.
In the meantime I am enjoying everyone here and their knowledge and love of SR!
Angie
Some fair points made. Another perspective, a fresh one at that, I'll be the first to admit I'm a bit of a jaded fan. Thanks, Angie!
More thoughts from everyone, please, this discussion looks like it's going to be a good one.
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yolanda - 16.01.2006, 18:41
simplymichi wrote: This is really bad news and I wish it wasn't true :motz
Is the last word already spoken? I'm not sure if we are strong enough, but maybe we could start a petition!? No matter whether it's successful or not ... but I think they should notice that there are fans (many fans) who feel excluded.
In the meantime I'm absolutely happy you all like this place.
x x x Michi
That's also a great idea Michi, a petition!!
I'll definately join!
But I must say I quite like your site too so I am not as disappointed as I thought I would be.
Love Yolanda :angel
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redorro - 16.01.2006, 22:55
Wow. This has been a really interesting topic to read. Interesting to see peoples views and especially the fans FEELINGS on SR.com and its future direction.
I too am disappointed about SR.com's direction, but having been around here the fan club since about the late 80's, nothing really surprises me. From a fans perspective, we did experience, some weird goings on a bit before the change in Management. And we still see these hitches every now and then. :?
However, on the other side of the coin, we did have the 2000 Convention at the Hippodrome, which Mick and some of the band attended. Given the circumstances at the time, we were very lucky that the band turned up at all. :)
Then in 2005, we had the opportunity of the Warm Up Gig for SIMPLIFIED for the fans. Again a fantastic opportunity and a fun experience for me. However, seems to me that Mick didn't make the most of the opportunity he had that night, with the dedicated fans. :D
Yes, I agree with SASRED, the SR SHOP is run really well. And a pleasure to do business on that side of SR.
A world wide petition. What a great idea. But I just thought...... who said we don't want the Forums returned just to 'shut us up'? :) That is a very good point.
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redorro - 16.01.2006, 23:25
Now, let me tell you a story.
I am a fan of an Australian Band called The Whitlams. And I am also a member of their website. It is run very differently than SR.com, but allows you to make comments and these comments are brought together and posted to the members email address daily.
In October 2005, The Whitlams started out on a concert tour which included Ronnie Scotts in London, to promote their new album which is due for release in March 2006. Yes, 2006. On Thursday 12 January, I and the fan base recieved an email from The Whitlams Management advising of a FREE concert to be held at a small pub in Newtown (Sydney) on Sunday afternoon, 15 January. So, off I went to hear a concert made up of 3 sets of 40 minutes gigs with old and new music. No cover charge, no support to tolerate. Just pure Whitlams music and a fantastic, funky, fun, intimate, yet crowded :D venue.
Cheers
Pat
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linmark - 17.01.2006, 15:11
night nurse wrote: I'm not ready to give up the ship or point blame. I wonder how much of their decision had to do with the whole "hacker" issue that destroyed the site in the first place. None of us know what took place with that incident. It makes me wonder if there isn't a liability issue going on here that is making them hesitant to start up the forums again. I know nothing about legalities of the internet world but I prefer to think that it is something related to issues such as that rather than their desire not to deal with fans anymore. They certainly know not to bite the hands that feed them.
I am very grateful for this forum and will continue to call it "home". In the meantime I'll have a little faith that the folks at SR.com get things hammered out and regardless of their decision won't hold any negative feelings towards them.
In the meantime I am enjoying everyone here and their knowledge and love of SR!
Angie
Said it well Angie......
If Mick decides he doesn't want his personal life discussed or pay to have a babysitter police his website 24/7, that's ok with me.
He gave us a couple of years to play on the forums and chatrooms and we were able to meet many great people socially and at concerts to share our mutual interests....I can't thank him enough for finding such great friends all over the world !
Would be great to have it back, but life moves on....and thank goodness we are all here thanks to Michi.
Be happy. Turn It Up.....
Love,
Lin xx
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yolanda - 17.01.2006, 17:11
linmark wrote:
Said it well Angie......
If Mick decides he doesn't want his personal life discussed or pay to have a babysitter police his website 24/7, that's ok with me.
He gave us a couple of years to play on the forums and chatrooms and we were able to meet many great people socially and at concerts to share our mutual interests....I can't thank him enough for finding such great friends all over the world !
Would be great to have it back, but life moves on....and thank goodness we are all here thanks to Michi.
Be happy. Turn It Up.....
Love,
Lin xx
Hi Lin,
I agree with you, I am also very glad with the time we had on the forums and in de chatroom and the wonderful people we've met!
(you for instance)
I really loved being there and actually I can understand if Mick decides not to bring it back because of people talking about his private life however I still desperately hope it will be back
And indeed thanks to Michi we can talk and discuss inhere and I really think that is wonderful!! :clap
:hug Yolanda
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LoneStarRed - 17.01.2006, 20:32
You know, people will discuss Mick's private life and speculate on his personal business whether he has a forum on the offical site or not. I never engaged in it but it pleases some people to do so and there really isn't much he can do about it. I think the personal, intrusive, and over-the-top posts were a very small percentage of the total posts.
Also, not only did Mick personally solicit our questions via a thread created expressly for that purpose, he did not hesitate to use the forum himself to air his personal political views and trials and tribulations with the media or the industry at large. We were there to provide feedback and, for the most part, support.
I'm just saying it's a two-way street.
I'm perfectly happy to stay here and have this be our official "unofficial" forum forever even if it is the result of being "evicted" from the old one. Now, I am going to try to stop beating this dead horse into a bloody pulp. My final comment is this: If I had known that the forum was going to be removed, I would have copied the recipe thread. There were some kick-ass recipes in there and I smugly thought it would be accessible forever and never bothered to copy it. So, shame on ME for being stupid.
I will try to look on it as a blessing and as an aid to my diet plans for 2006.
Peace and Joy!
Karen
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simplymichi - 17.01.2006, 21:26
Hmmmm... just a simple honest statement by the management... Would love to read their own words about it. Whether the forum will be rebuild or not... and if not what are the real reasons. Maybe we could understand them? Maybe we could make them change their minds?
My little thoughts on there possible reasons are these:
A forum is too expensive.
- talking about the software I don't think so. There are obviously more expensive outgoes in music biz.
Someone has to see about the forum.
- that's right. But they could arrange tasks to some fellow fans who would love to moderate the forum or a part of it.
Mick's private life being discussed on the forum.
- at least they would know what people think and talk about so that they would have the chance to give answers and dispose rumours.
x x x Michi
... who still doesn't want to believe they will do without a forum (isn't it the biggest mistake they could make?)
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knokkak - 17.01.2006, 23:14
linmark wrote: night nurse wrote: I'm not ready to give up the ship or point blame. I wonder how much of their decision had to do with the whole "hacker" issue that destroyed the site in the first place. None of us know what took place with that incident. It makes me wonder if there isn't a liability issue going on here that is making them hesitant to start up the forums again. I know nothing about legalities of the internet world but I prefer to think that it is something related to issues such as that rather than their desire not to deal with fans anymore. They certainly know not to bite the hands that feed them.
I am very grateful for this forum and will continue to call it "home". In the meantime I'll have a little faith that the folks at SR.com get things hammered out and regardless of their decision won't hold any negative feelings towards them.
In the meantime I am enjoying everyone here and their knowledge and love of SR!
Angie
Said it well Angie......
If Mick decides he doesn't want his personal life discussed or pay to have a babysitter police his website 24/7, that's ok with me.
He gave us a couple of years to play on the forums and chatrooms and we were able to meet many great people socially and at concerts to share our mutual interests....I can't thank him enough for finding such great friends all over the world !
Would be great to have it back, but life moves on....and thank goodness we are all here thanks to Michi.
Be happy. Turn It Up.....
Love,
Lin xx
I agree with you LinMark.......100%
Yolanda C. ..(KNOKKAK)
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linmark - 18.01.2006, 04:04
Thanks Yolanda C (NJ)
hope you had fun at the concerts...
and partners in crime with Liz-ski.
Love,
Linski xxx no spikes while running....
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yolanda - 18.01.2006, 07:25
simplymichi wrote: Hmmmm... just a simple honest statement by the management... Would love to read their own words about it. Whether the forum will be rebuild or not... and if not what are the real reasons. Maybe we could understand them? Maybe we could make them change their minds?
My little thoughts on there possible reasons are these:
A forum is too expensive.
- talking about the software I don't think so. There are obviously more expensive outgoes in music biz.
Someone has to see about the forum.
- that's right. But they could arrange tasks to some fellow fans who would love to moderate the forum or a part of it.
Mick's private life being discussed on the forum.
- at least they would know what people think and talk about so that they would have the chance to give answers and dispose rumours.
x x x Michi
... who still doesn't want to believe they will do without a forum (isn't it the biggest mistake they could make?)
Michi, my thoughts exactly!! and about your last remark : YES it would be the biggest mistake to make!!!
:hug Yolanda
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The Rose Tattoo - 18.01.2006, 08:06
Wow... lots of questions to ponder.... all of you bring up excellent points. I haven't been a fan as long as many of you, but certainly have enjoyed the "pluses" of my short time riding the SR "love train." I have met some wonderful people - via cyberspace and face to face... I must say that I'm disappointed in what happened to the official site, but am very grateful to Michi (and her partner in crime... :lol: ) for putting this one together -- you go gals.... thanks for all the hard work. I plan on taking a "wait and see" approach about the official site. I will rely on those of you "in the know" to keep me (and the rest of us :) ) up to date with any "poop" you are able to scoop up... (pardon the pun :P ).
Back to my browsing... :D :D
The Rose (Poop Van Scoop) Tattoo
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sasred - 19.01.2006, 08:48
Karen--there's some threads that I, too, wish I'd kept up the printouts on...lost about 2 weeks worth of banter that I'll probably never see again. But I'll never forget the laughs caused...(You have to EXPLAIN the fascination to him sometime, Liz-Ski!!! Over lunch, hopefully. :wink: :D ) 20/20 hindsight. There's a new recipe topic up here, maybe some of those gems will get posted again.
You know, I've reread all this, and something said triggered a recall of a rant post I put up shortly before the crash. I'm playing devil's advocate with MYSELF here now...
I went off about how entitled people were starting to act. There had been many posts complaining about Mick not posting, not getting more info, etc. And I had basically said that they had their reasons...that we should be grateful for what we DO get, nothing is a guarantee when it comes to output from this band and their management.
Then I got that huge wake-up call after our gigs in November.
So now, what am I doing? Complaining about not getting whatever.
I've become a spoiled brat. We had it DAMN GOOD on those boards...totally free, ad-less service...pretty loose standards as to what we could post...band members reading and posting!!!!
Were we entitled to all of that?
I think that's what's at the heart of the debate again. We're fans, yes. If we didn't buy the music and see the shows, all people involved on the "other side" would have to find another means of supporting themselves...
...but how much should we expect in return, and how much of what we've been getting is icing on the cake?
We've shown here that we have the power to recapture some of what we gained from those boards. Is it as good as we had it? No...and I sorely miss some of what we had. But I don't think I have a right to complain about what's missing...it was given freely, I should be thankful for what we did get.
I know I am VERY grateful to Michi for her hard work in helping us regain what we have the power over. And grateful to everyone who signed up in support to get things rolling again.
*shrug* Maybe we'll get some of that magic back as word gets out about us and our little forum here. But I'll try to just let fate do its thing regarding that, and act a little less spoiled. We still have each other, and that's pretty special in itself. :top
I would still like to see them do SOMETHING with the official site though, I really don't see much point in a website for a BAND with no information about either the music or the musicians on it. Selling merchandise--why not just have a shop by itself then?
And letting people know a timetable for when they plan on bringing back the other sections would not be a bad idea...people will eventually lose patience having to check back all the time...they'll eventually quit coming, and then the money spent to get that stuff running will have been wasted.
*shrug* Carry on with the debate, this thread is a good read and it's really getting people involved.
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Just T - 19.01.2006, 20:08
Well Sas,
Yes it is to bad,
but hey lets make the best of it.
Step by step i find my way in your site.
I think Michi and Sas are doing a great job.
To both of you, a big THANK YOU.
dikke knuf van mij.
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simplymichi - 19.01.2006, 20:11
You're welcome! :hug
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sasred - 19.01.2006, 20:14
You're quite welcome. We're glad to have everyone here. :top
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redorro - 19.01.2006, 22:33
Is it human nature that we always want more than we have? If the band sat on the internet all the time, would we then expect more from them? Quite possibly. :wink:
I like this site. Except I hate the colour grey. :wink: But I can live with it. The only thing I miss from this site, is getting ALL fans back on here.
There are many from the US here and a few from Europe. Some of the Aussie are still missing, although we are small in number anyway. I'm keen to see all the old UK/Europe come and join us here.
Unless they have found somewhere better to visit. But I doubt it, this is a great site. :D :top
Cheers
Pat :coffee
PS Just had another look at those icons. There are some really funny ones. Give me a bit of a giggle.
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LoneStarRed - 20.01.2006, 07:36
Shannon,
I couldn't agree with you more about the "entitlement" issue. No matter how frequently Mick might post, usually within a dozen responses, there was a remark about how he needs to post more often. So, no matter how much he posts, it will never be enough for some people. So, I suspect that he often felt "Damned if I do and damned if I don't." much of the time.
I feel quite strongly that when we pay for a CD, we are "entitled" to listen to it as much as we like but not copy it for others to listen to. When we pay for a concert ticket, we are "entitled" to a professionally produced show with musicians who perform to the best of their ability. Period. EVERYTHING else is just gravy.
That said, it's not an unreasonable HOPE to perhaps get an autograph, a photo, or a bit of a chat with an artist before/after a show if ones waits patiently and is well-behaved. Even if that wait takes place in frozen rain over the course of hours, there should NEVER be the expectation that any of these HOPES should be considered "entitlements." We pay for the performances but not for the performer.
In the situation of an "official" fan website, in the modern world, it is primarily a marketing tool utilized by the artist to provide information that will lead to the purchase of items (CDs, Tickets, etc.) that will generate revenue for the artist. The FORM that an "official" website may take varies a great deal, based on what purposes the artist (or artist's management) expect for it to serve. It can be purely commercial or can include informative and/or interactive elements that can provide some feedback for the artist or a venue for fan participation. The options are limitless.
Since SR went independent, the "official" website seemed designed to not only be an industry standard marketing tool but also a tool for fan interaction and feedback. A sense of "community" was created and many fans participated on many levels. Some just lurked. Some did forum only. Some primarily did chat. Many did a mix of all of those items. Questions from the fans were solicited by the administrator, even though none were ever answered. Requests to participate in CD promotion by calling radio stations were also made by management. Many fans spent a lot of time and energy making calls to radio stations requesting more frequent play for SR as well as helping to create "buzz" in the general community and at dance clubs.
After the demise of the website, for whatever reason, the replacement website seems purposely designed to exclude all fan interaction except under the most tightly controlled circumstances. In the absence of any "official" statement, we are all left to draw our own conclusions. And, that is what we have done and are doing. Sadly, the conclusions don't seem to be very pretty.
Admittedly, some of the forum threads got pretty personal. Not only for Mick but perhaps for other band members as well. Even though the majority of the posts were harmless and meant in good fun, there is no assurance that they were received in the same manner. Just like in a "real" community, there were members who acted out and those who clearly exceeded the tolerance of the other members if not SR as well. Trying to keep peace in the community was probably tedious if not annoying much of the time. Still, if one utilizes a website as a marketing tool, then administration of the website is just the cost of doing business.
In my opinion and based on the portions of the site I reviewed and utilized over the years, the vast MAJORITY of the site members were clearly supportive, caring individuals, free of significant mental health problems. They threatened no one. They observed the limits of good taste and social tolerance for the most part. And, they addressed perceived problems within the community in an appropriate manner, for the most part. And, yes, I AM qualified to make that kind of assessment.
So, I find the replacement of the "old" website format with the "new" one quite surprising on many levels. The decision to change the format so dramatically and to exclude or rigorously control access by the established fanbase seems counter-intuitive. And it is clearly a decision made with intent. What that intent may be, one can only speculate about in the absence of any real communication from "the other side", as it were. In my mind, to continue to pretend that we haven't been "dumped" seems marginally delusional. It's been MONTHS and there have been no answers to our repeated knocks at the door. Let's not be deliberately obtuse. The "Welcome Mat" is gone.
Again, I'm not mad, just sad. It was nice while it lasted and I am very grateful for the great connections that I have made with other fans. I have met some phenomenal people and my life is richer for it. The bonds we have forged are strong enough to have brought us HERE and I hope the "Welcome Mat" gets a lot of traffic here.
Peace and Joy!
Karen
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yolanda - 20.01.2006, 08:16
sasred wrote: You're quite welcome. We're glad to have everyone here. :top
Not everyone yet but we're working on it! :wink:
:hug Yolanda
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sasred - 20.01.2006, 15:57
yolanda wrote: sasred wrote: You're quite welcome. We're glad to have everyone here. :top
Not everyone yet but we're working on it! :wink:
:hug Yolanda
True, true. I meant those that HAVE come though. :-D
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sasred - 20.01.2006, 16:01
Karen--
Very well said. It addresses all sides of the issue fairly and comes to a reasonable conclusion. Proof that we're not just sitting here complaining just to whine...
Hope the powers that be come to their senses somehow--they never did over another matter and I really hope there's no serious repercussions from that...though when you compound things...*sigh*
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redorro - 22.01.2006, 22:34
Congratulations and thanks Karen. You posting is very well balanced and very well put and in my opinion, precise.
"free of significant mental health problems". This gave me a bit of a giggle. I do have bad days, have they shown? :whistle
It has been stated by Mick that the WWW is beneficial bringing the world together. As it did for our SR community, which the WWW has helped bring together. And we are a great little community. Which shows when people travel over water, and borders to get to SR concerts. But with being open to the globe, brings different personalities, varying cultures, different values and moral and sometimes none at all.
As I keep trying to remind myself, I must remember to take the good with the bad.
Anyway, again, well said Karen and an enjoyable read. Thanks
Pat
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MINI13 - 23.01.2006, 00:56A real shame for Simply Red
The one who really loses here is Simply Red. The message boards on SR.com were such a great place to share thoughts with the band and each other. Even if they never read a single thing we wrote, we felt like we were being heard and that there was a real connection with our favorite group. And that illusion (or perhaps, slight reality) was what made our hearts beat a little faster, and kept us all coming back to see if there was, perhaps, a personal reply!
I personally thought Mick was very proud of the connection he'd fostered with the site, after hearing him talk about it in several radio interviews. It seemed like he was happy to have that two-way dialogue happening with us all and that really made me think even more highly of him and the band.
Now that forum is gone, and with it, that really great feeling that we mattered...not just monetarily, but in regard to our opinions and our passion for all things Simply Red.
This new forum is great, and I'm so happy it's up and running...but I wonder if we'll see a decrease in the overall size of the SR community, as this is no longer a part of the official site. And I do wonder how that will affect CD sales for the band. I've been in the web biz for over 5 years and I can state as a fact that true "brand loyalty" is created and maintained by interaction.
Perhaps we could at least ask Elaine to put a link to this board on SR.com? Mick must know that he is missing out on something big.
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LoneStarRed - 23.01.2006, 06:01
Shannon, Pat, and Stacey,
Thanks for the positive feedback. We are all in the same boat here and share the same consternation over what has happened.
Asking Elaine to place a link here is worth a request but don't hold your breath until you get a response. If Mick really wants interaction with the fans he would have it already and the forum would have never been allowed to fall off of the face of the earth. He's not out on the road touring so it's not like he can't spare one minute to wonder "Where did the website forum get off to?" Or think ""Gee, I miss those devoted (albiet crazy) fans of mine."
I also agree with Stacey about "brand loyalty" and wonder what repercussions may follow regarding CD sales and ticket sales. My personal practice has been to buy a dozen, or better, CDs when they come out and give them as gifts. I have gone into the Virgin Megastore in Times Square at dark-thirty in the morning and "re-merchandised" the new SR release to get better exposure. I have called radio stations in better than 2 dozen markets requesting play for SR songs. I believe that am just one of MANY fans who have done the same or similar things. Compared to the great efforts many fans have made on their behalf, I consider my efforts to have been quite paltry by comparison.
I am only one fan so if I no longer feel quite as motivated to do those kinds of things it's no big deal. No-one in the band will have to down-size their lifestyles because of it. But, multiply that difference by "X" number of fans who have been heretofore very involved with promoting SR, then that could make a difference that could be felt in many ways. Multiply that by "time" and there is a significant difference.
Of course, I will always buy SR CDs and attend SR concerts but going that "extra mile" may not have the priority that it had before. I hate to say this but the cynic in me says that just about the time when the new CD for "Amplified" is available for promotion, the forum will miraculously re-appear. There will be some general statement from Mick about how "wildly intense the recording sessions were and say how much he missed us and and won't we please buy the CD and attend the concerts?"
And, like a whore, I will.
I guess I should take back the "significant mental health problems" statement. Right? (Feel free to be co-dependent and say "Of course not!")
I think I'll just go listen to my CD of Mick singing "Love for sale..." now.
Hugs all around!
Karen
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sasred - 23.01.2006, 14:02
Mini--good points made. And I'll go one further...in the case of the two-way interaction with the band, in some cases, it WAS reality...Dave, Ian, and Steve were all "regulars" in the months leading up to the crash. Did they post as often as us nutbars? Of course not, they were busy making and playing the music we all love. But the time they did share was a great experience for us...getting those personal replies would put a grin on my face (and that heart rate increase that you mentioned that always jeopardized my plasma donations when I was doing them!! :oops: ) that wouldn't leave until the NEXT post. We got to know them more, and they in turn got to know US a little bit. Seemed like all parties involved had fun with it.
Hell, even Mick got in on one fan thread, when Jo-Joe was talking about volunteering with the tsunami cleanup...
So it was a very good thing. Yeah, we had our share of issues every now and again, but for the most part it was very positive. Why they don't want to recapture that now is beyond me, but it's their decision and they have the right to it.
Elaine, to my knowledge, is no longer Webmaster, so I don't know that any queries addressed to her would get any attention. Also, the suggestion of posting a link made me do a double take--I went to the official site, and confirmed my instincts:
There's no Links tab any more either!!!
Now THAT REALLY astounds me. Having a page of other links requires NO ONE to run--just someone to add one on occasion--and it gives fans a chance to really explore the world of SR. The fans in turn would then probably visit the official site more, because they provided such helpful information.
I know not everyone's going to agree on what should go into a site re-design, but this template really befuddles me. No forums and no links section. Probably the most utilized pages apart from the Tour info.
WHY?????
But Karen's right. It won't stop the diehards. My inner cynic channeled yours, Karen, I'll bet the new sections WILL roll out just in time for 'Amplified'...wanna start putting wagers down now??? :lol: You've done so much to help promote SR here, you've gone abroad to see multiple shows...I really hope the prevailing attitude isn't "Well, we didn't MAKE you do it..." I wouldn't blame you if you didn't do as much of that next time 'round...
The CD sales won't be impacted too much in regards to the crew assembled here--we've all been in it for a while, and when we don't get what we're after, take matters into our own hands. ( :wink: at Michi). But the sales that WILL be impacted are from those that are more borderline--those that have an interest but don't keep up with things the way we do. They're not going to make any extra effort to chase down information--they'll just go with what comes to them. They'll go pick up the latest release from someone who's more visible instead.
I guess the question Mick and the management need to ask themselves is: Can they afford to lose all but the very hardcore for a fan base? Is that hardcore community large enough to sustain all those paychecks? If the answer in their mind is "Yes", then I think we'll see the status quo maintained. If not...
At the end of the day, we still have this. We still have each other. We've got Dave in the mix, and who knows, maybe some of our other friends might stop in too. :-D Roll on, Red faithful!!!
Love from your co-dependent mod. :D
P.S.--I'm noticing an awful lot of Yanks and Aussies putting in their two cents here, but our British, German, Dutch, and South American friends are pretty quiet for the most part. Please join in the discussion!! Any and all opinions are welcome...
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simplymichi - 23.01.2006, 14:40
Hmmm... I've got a question. Shannon and someone else (I think it was Lin) wrote that Elaine isn't the webmaster of simplyred.com anymore. Can you tell us, where you've heard it? Is it really true? Do you know the reason? I'm just wondering, maybe Elaine had personal reasons to quit the job and now they are searching for someone who could do that job as good as Elaine??? :?:
She was a wonderful webmaster/admin ... always patient, helpful and friendly. It would be a pretty tough thing stepping in her shoes!
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sasred - 23.01.2006, 15:04
simplymichi wrote: Hmmm... I've got a question. Shannon and someone else (I think it was Lin) wrote that Elaine isn't the webmaster of simplyred.com anymore. Can you tell us, where you've heard it? Is it really true? Do you know the reason? I'm just wondering, maybe Elaine had personal reasons to quit the job and now they are searching for someone who could do that job as good as Elaine??? :?:
She was a wonderful webmaster/admin ... always patient, helpful and friendly. It would be a pretty tough thing stepping in her shoes!
I can't reveal my sources for privacy reasons, but I've heard it through several reliable channels. What I heard is that she's actually been promoted within the office, so she's still around, just not in the Webmaster capacity. As for her replacement...I don't know if they're even looking for one. And you're right...hers are huge shoes to fill indeed!! :top
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linmark - 23.01.2006, 15:07
No, I was just speculating because I had not seen her post on their website since way before it shut down.
It was just a feeling, I hope that it is not true.
I do think that she has taken a different job there....
She is wonderful.
Love,
Lin xx
:oops:
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LoneStarRed - 23.01.2006, 15:45
I met Elaine post one of the RAH concerts. She is a veritable JEWEL. I hope that she did receive a promotion. She has been incredibly responsive to the fans. Her diplomatic skills are beyond parallel.
Shannon, I won't take you up on that wager because I am saving my pennies for Dave's School Fund. :lol:
Peace and Joy!
Karen
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Jo Joe - 24.01.2006, 12:00
This is a bit of sad news, admittedly I stopped posting a long time ago because the atmosphere was getting a little bizarre. I think the main problem is that the amount of traffic hitting the forum is almost impossible to police. Seeing as the website is the main avenue used for their business it's unsurprising that this has happened. You would need 1000 monkeys...to look at it and in the end the works of shakespeare would be produced (ho-hum!).
If it's to do with Mick being abused, no offence meant here but I daresay he is big and clever enough to deal with it. And, to stick my neck out here, this is a price of fame nowadays and I believe the salaries do pay accordingly? He has taken so much bad press over the years, I daresay he's used to it by now and doesn't batter a little red eyelash over it. So I think it's just a time issue in managing the forum.
I always find it a little tragic that people feel the need to be rude to the band/each other/small puppies via the anonymous route of a website, but it can't be helped and usually the majority have to suffer as well. It's a real real shame as I've met such gorgeous people, and lost touch with them after getting sick to death of reading a bunch of crazed negative messages. I even failed to post any reviews at the last tour because I couldn't face the weirdos making assumptions.
I don't think it's worth being offended by this though, from what I can tell fans always find a way to chat on , thus this website. Which I think is lovely. Well done Michi.
I am off now to drive a pen into my eyeball rather than tackle the work on my desk....sorry boss, gone to A+E due to a biro related injury.
PS. Don't worry Michi, I won't fill your website with my endless, mindless , belly button babble!
love Jo Joe 'who really thinks Sawyer in Lost needs me'
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simplymichi - 24.01.2006, 18:13
Hey, Jo Joe!
We all love your "endless, mindless, belly button babble"! :D
Welcome on board!
x x x Michi
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LoneStarRed - 24.01.2006, 19:32
Jo Joe! I am thrilled to see you here. Keep on "babbling" because yours are usually some of the best posts, ever. Now that so many of the "home girls" (and "boys") are posting here, I am really starting to lose my sadness over the loss of the other place. It's getting cozier every day!
Peace and Joy!
Karen
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sasred - 24.01.2006, 20:15
Jo-Joe!!!
Ya crazy diamond. Welcome on board!! Babble all you want...I certainly have a motormouth... :D
Interesting reading your profile--why did I not know before now that you and I are just a MONTH apart in age?!?!?!? 8)
And for your points--good ones. I do have a counter to the argument of the time involved policing the forum though.
I'm also a registered member of a forum called TalkBass. (Dubwise is as well.) That forum has over 30,000 members!! (Yes, I put in the right amount of zeroes.) And things stay pretty slinky there for the most part. How do they do it?
They have one overarching moderator, who is designated for the most important inquiries.
Then each subforum (there are about....oh, hell, I don't even know, A LOT!! At least 30) has two or three moderators each. Where did they get all this manpower?
Dedicated users. Plain and simple. The main mod asked for volunteers among the regular users and got the door beat down with applications.
The main mod only gets contacted when there is an issue an individual forum moderator is not able to sort on their own. So he really doesn't have to spend a whole lot of time running the show.
I have to wonder, why SR's forum, with a fraction of that membership (before the crash, we had about 3,000 registered users, with maybe only about 2-300 of those active), couldn't be run the same way?
Have one person overseeing the whole ship, but let the day-to-day modly stuff be done by regulars who volunteer?
It's called designating responsibility. I really think that those who want the forums back would be willing to help run them. What are we doing here, after all??
Just some food for thought.
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Jo Joe - 25.01.2006, 13:32Peachy plan
That's a really good idea sasred, I have seen that going on elsewhere and it's just a question of trust that the mods can do it. And I think way back in the land of horse and carts with no internet, there were a number of fans in the old sris that helped elaine, like regional coordinators. So if it was acceptable then I don't see what difference it would make now. I guess we shall never know.....I'm going to knit my serious eyebrows together some more!!
I do feel sometimes the fans are a little hard done by with contact but that is mainly due to the disappointment I've seen on some peoples faces if they haven't managed to get an autograph or didn't get a reply for a heartfelt letter etc. But that branches into the poor thing category rather than blaming the management themselves.
I believe shutting down the community aspect between the fans is a big mistake though. If I am to be blunt here, if your single only reaches 147 you do need to maintain a fan base who drum up the support. And if you release an album that rechurns some old hits...keep that momentum going because you'll go out of fashion faster than decorated wellies * I am now ducking underneath my desk and waiting for fur to fly over those comments*.
I just don't think it's good business sense...it's kinda like that old fashioned customer service doctrine. It's easier to retain people than get them back if they are annoyed and wander into the darkness. As for the things are done for the fans...
And to just make a point here....l I went to the warm up gig and it was expensive!! The listening party was really really expensive (a complete rip off actually) for what it was, I think it was about twelve quid to sit in a room listening to an album with about a hundred people there...hmmm, I didn't feel blessed drinking my eight quid glass of wine...I must freely admit. It was a nice venue, oddly enough all the furniture was red . This was from the pound of flesh you had given up to be there. I also know a lot of fans were unhappy with the warm up as it was so incredibly short, I personally enjoyed the smaller venue but then, some of the main gigs were smaller venues anyway. My point here is that when people say fans get something eg conventions, i'd argue they don't get anything unless they pay for it and these are open to everyone to attend not just members of a fan club. Fair enough... I think that just has to be accepted now.
I suppose this is the case of the double edged sword that the management have to deal with. And you can take the little community away, but again, you can't guide it and promote to it. Or even, blow me as if it would never happen (my lips are sealed) tell it what to do
love Jo-Joe
xxxxx
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linmark - 26.01.2006, 08:32
We were there before the SR website and we will always LOVE the MUSIC !
All of us feel the void, feel out of touch, miss the videos, photos,
audio clips, wondering what plans they have for the future site (when ??)
Miss those e:mail announcements they used to send to members....
Imagining if they wait for the USA Amplified TOUR DATES
to be released in November 2006 (or sooner, we hope to see them),
less people will know about Amplified CD over here.
Need to book dates on OUR calendars NOW for at least several concerts...
I see they will be announcing more summer UK tour dates soon....
If we have to travel there, let us know "now" if not doing concerts over here....
Please Please Please......??
Have not even heard Perfect Love on the radio over here yet, have you ?
Maybe if no US tour, wish a TV appearance with the whole band ensemble could be scheduled ?
It's an enormous task to visit the whole world, and to please everyone.
Squirming in our seats, surfing the net to find alternate SR information leads and stories.....
drifting into other music web "alive" sites....(so much out there...)
the sails are up....(just looking at all those different fish......)
oh, must be drifting into a new river ....with a different owner...where is the dock...bring us HOME...
Naw, just cruising, ....(our cabin is still booked on the SS-SR, always will be.)
Autograph my dingy ? Here's a waterproof pen.....(tickles, I may giggle.)
:-D
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suzen - 26.01.2006, 10:01
Hi
Amplified in November??? I thought it was to be released in the Spring -oh dear it gets worse!
Love Sue x
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yolanda - 26.01.2006, 11:21
suzen wrote: Hi
Amplified in November??? I thought it was to be released in the Spring -oh dear it gets worse!
Love Sue x
Ohhhhhh so did I! :motz What a bad news!
:hug Yolanda
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sasred - 26.01.2006, 15:09
linmark wrote: We were there before the SR website and guess we will remain fans while suffering the extreme loss, feeling out of touch, wondering what plans they have for the future site, imagining if they will wait for Amplified to be released in November 2006, anticipating less people knowing about any new music being recorded, squirming in our seats surfing the net to find alternate information lead stories.....
and discovering other sounds.....
and spending money on other tunes...
and drifting into active "alive" sites....
my sails are up....(just look at those different fish......)
oh, I must be drifting into a new river .........with a different owner.
autograph my dingy ?
:-D
Amplified in November???? Are you just tossing ideas out there, Lin, or did you actually hear this somewhere? A link, please, if you did...I would prefer to keep this place as rumor-free as possible, just to keep wild postings to a dull roar... :shock:
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Masha - 26.01.2006, 16:37
Shannon i would think you`d know such things much better than Lin. last time it was from you we learnt the American dates of which no one knew anything had had to be cancelled. You cited having the information from relyable sources. don`t you have any now then? its a pity.. but we`ll wait what Lin`ll have to say. Lin are you there?
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sasred - 26.01.2006, 16:59
Masha wrote: Shannon i would think you`d know such things much better than Lin. last time it was from you we learnt the American dates of which no one knew anything had had to be cancelled. You cited having the information from relyable sources. don`t you have any now then? its a pity.. but we`ll wait what Lin`ll have to say. Lin are you there?
Well, Masha...first, I don't have exclusive rights to news. Every one of us has different connections, hears different things. Most of the time, things like this that get leaked eventually pan out to be true. It could be that Lin got a hot tip that none of my sources is connected to. Good on her! I just thought she was musing on recent events...and I didn't even catch that November release bit at first, it was slipped in so subtly. I'm just wondering if it is in fact a hot lead, or just general commentary on the state of affairs at the moment. If she can't name her sources, that's cool, I just want to know there IS one, if it is to be had.
As for my sources being reliable on that canceled tour...my primary source was one of the venues that got canceled. If they're not reliable, I don't know who is. I try to get information directly from the source whenever possible.
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simplymichi - 26.01.2006, 17:43
sasred wrote: I just thought she was musing on recent events...
That's exactly what I thought, when I read Lin's message. I'm pretty sure that the release date of that new album is still top secret. These days record companies (no matter whether it's a major or an independent label) have to be absolutely careful when it comes to announce new releases I think. We'll just have to wait and see :-(
Please don't play Chinese whisper here :wink:
Thanx a lot!
x x x Michi
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sasred - 26.01.2006, 18:25
simplymichi wrote: sasred wrote: I just thought she was musing on recent events...
That's exactly what I thought, when I read Lin's message. I'm pretty sure that the release date of that new album is still top secret. These days record companies (no matter whether it's a major or an independent label) have to be absolutely careful when it comes to announce new releases I think. We'll just have to wait and see :-(
Please don't play Chinese whisper here :wink:
Thanx a lot!
x x x Michi
Michi, are you SURE English isn't your native language????? Well said. :top
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etna - 26.01.2006, 18:27
Hi Everyone!
I kind of expected this to happen, when the site started to have problems with hackers etc!!! I figure that perhaps Mick had had enough of some of the topics which were becoming a bit too much for the site to handle. I think most of you will know what topics were of interest to him and which topics weren't. It's a New Year and by having the SR site the way that it is now, he keeps it to a music site and of course can keep contact with the real fans of DA MUSIC!!! They all had their individual personalities and some of the things that got posted, I think were too much for Mick in the end, so he decided to keep his site basic, but still give us the latest updates!!! and some of the catagories are still under construction on it. We all have the music to look forward too and to be honest, I think it's great that all of us can keep contact on this site. It does seem weird not having the forums, I agree with all of you on here, but obviously he has his reasons and I think we don't have to guess too hard to understand what those reasons were.
But at least we arfe all together on here, and it's great to have this site for us all to continue to chat and post and of course enjoy Simply Red.
best wishes!
stay red
Lori xxx
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sasred - 26.01.2006, 18:28
...oh, and Jo-Joe, VERY interesting perspective in your last post...enjoyable and informative read. :-D
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MARTHA JEAN - 27.01.2006, 00:24JUST A FEELING.
EVEN BEFORE THEY TOOK THE SITE OFF, I HAD A FEELING CHANGES WERE GOING TO BE MADE.
MICK HAS GONE THROUGH MANY A CHANGE IN THE TWENTY YEARS
HE'S BEEN OUT, AND WILL PROBABLY BE GOING THROUGH A LOT MORE BEFORE IT'S ALL OVER.
SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO FACE CHANGE, TO KNOW THAT SOMETHING IS OVER AND I REALLY THINK THAT THE OLD SITE IS GONE.
BUT NOW WE HAVE THIS OUTSTANDING SITE, WE CAN CONTINUE TO GET TO KNOW OTHERS FROM A DIFFERENT LAND AND ANOTHER POINT OF VIEW. IT'S REASSURING TO SEE SOME OF YOUR NAMES HERE AND CAN CONTINUE OUR CONVERSATIONS.
IT MAKES ME SO HAPPY TO HAVE THIS SITE AND REAFFIRM OLD FRIENDSHIPS AND MAKE NEW ONES.
FONDLY, MARTHA JEAN
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Lissa Kaye - 30.01.2006, 11:53
I don't have all that much new to add, I agree with what's been said so far.
But I'm just so happy this website exists in the first place. When I first logged onto the 'official' site, way back last February, I didn't expect myself to be logging on as much as I did. I thought I'd be logging on once in a blue moon. But once I got to know everyone, I just kept on coming back for more and more. Everyone was just so funny, witty, amusing, intelligent. I'll never forget the replies I received in response to my Nan's passing - it meant so much. The site wasn't just a place where fans could congregate and discuss things, it was more like an extended family, where fans were more than willing to lend advice, and a helping hand (this happened to me quite a few times).
So, like everyone else, I was gutted when the site got hacked into. I went into an instant panic, and watching me go into a panic isn't a pretty site, "Omg what am I gonna do? Can't talk to no one, need my SR fix, need my info, want to post...omg the chat line has gone! I want my chatline"! Perhaps the official site could see this as an opportunity to improve or better itself...like what someone else said, the forums were becoming a bit bizarre, quite a few arguments were breaking out, and it did get less enjoyable in that sense...but at least i got to chat to Dave three times (not that I counted). That would never have happened to me.
Off on a tangent. Miss Blabberlips does apologise (my alter ego).
So yes, these forums could definitely give the official site a run for it's money, it's definitely heading that way, but I think I would prefer this site...I don't see any arguments breaking out here for a long time yet.
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yolanda - 30.01.2006, 12:17
Lissa Kaye wrote: I don't have all that much new to add, I agree with what's been said so far.
But I'm just so happy this website exists in the first place. When I first logged onto the 'official' site, way back last February, I didn't expect myself to be logging on as much as I did. I thought I'd be logging on once in a blue moon. But once I got to know everyone, I just kept on coming back for more and more. Everyone was just so funny, witty, amusing, intelligent. I'll never forget the replies I received in response to my Nan's passing - it meant so much. The site wasn't just a place where fans could congregate and discuss things, it was more like an extended family, where fans were more than willing to lend advice, and a helping hand (this happened to me quite a few times).
So, like everyone else, I was gutted when the site got hacked into. I went into an instant panic, and watching me go into a panic isn't a pretty site, "Omg what am I gonna do? Can't talk to no one, need my SR fix, need my info, want to post...omg the chat line has gone! I want my chatline"! Perhaps the official site could see this as an opportunity to improve or better itself...like what someone else said, the forums were becoming a bit bizarre, quite a few arguments were breaking out, and it did get less enjoyable in that sense...but at least i got to chat to Dave three times (not that I counted). That would never have happened to me.
Off on a tangent. Miss Blabberlips does apologise (my alter ego).
So yes, these forums could definitely give the official site a run for it's money, it's definitely heading that way, but I think I would prefer this site...I don't see any arguments breaking out here for a long time yet.
Nicely spoken Liss, all very true!!
:hug Yolanda
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MARTHA JEAN - 31.01.2006, 18:04CHANGES IN ONE'S LIFE...
MY DEEP FEELINGS ARE THIS, MICK HAS CHANGED HIS LIFE, HE HAS A SERIOUS RELATIONSHIP, NEW CD AND IS SETTLING DOWN.
ALONG WITH THIS CHANGE, THE SITE HAS CHANGED TOO. AND WILL NEVER BE WHAT IT WAS. A TIME THAT WAS, IS OVER, AND WILL BE IN THE PAST. SAD, BUT TRUE.
MICK HAS OPENED ANOTHER WINDOW AND IT'S, ( I GUESS ) PART OF HIS GROWTH.
MAYBE IT'S TOO MUCH ENCENTIVE OR ENERGY FOR WHO EVER'S INVOLEVED IN OUTING THE OLD ONE AND BRING IN THE NEW.
ONE THING IS FOR SURE, IT'S COMPLETLEY OUT OF MY HANDS AND I HAVE TO TRUST THAT ALL WILL BE RIGHT WITH THE SITE AND THE WORLD.
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teardrops - 02.02.2006, 00:58sad news
hi everyone i am so glad to see you life. sorry it took so long to make it over, been having a lot going on in life.
ok so this news is so sad. but if we get the chat at least we can still interact with everyone. i feel the same way you all feel, just cheated, we have been behind them for so long and done so much as fans. lets cross our fingers that things will change. hugs to you all. :( :D
aisha
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samkit - 02.02.2006, 10:35
simplyred.com was a bands website.
simplyred.com is now a business.
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LoneStarRed - 02.02.2006, 11:48
samkit wrote: simplyred.com was a bands website.
simplyred.com is now a business.
That's it...in a nutshell!
Karen
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sasred - 02.02.2006, 18:25
A business. Yeah...
...here's a random observation. Well, maybe not so random. When the dates for the Simplified tour were announced, people had some lead time to think about where they wanted to go and how they were going to get there before the tickets actually went on sale. I don't remember how much lead time any more, but I DO remember that those of us considering flying over from farther afield had time to check work schedules, examine the finances, and so on.
These dates...less than a day!!!!!! You cannot imagine the insanity of e-mails and phone calls I had coming and going, trying to "rally the troops". We literally had to make a last-minute decision.
And because we had no lead-in planning time, my friends on this side of the water all had to bow out. Wanted to go but couldn't. I'm fortunate in that my schedule is pretty flexible, still being a student, but I really wish I could have gone with my crew...it won't be the same!!
It's one thing if you're a fan in the UK or close by in Europe...you can just book...if the gig's close, you don't even have to worry about taking time off work...and if it's further up the road, you might miss a day or two. Then you can get back to life as normal.
For us, we have to plan a whole trip around it...ask for extended time off...make the travel plans (which are INSANELY expensive in the summer!!)...it's a whole huge production that requires TIME TO PLAN OUT.
Yeah, I know, we make that choice...but given how often they visit here, how much of a choice is it if we really want to see them play? They've canceled on us more than once...and not always rescheduled. Dare we gamble?
Pardon my cynicism, but I'm gaining more evidence as time goes on that not only do the management NOT CARE about the overseas fans, they're trying to actively EXCLUDE them from the proceedings...
--Refusing to make an official announcement about the canceled tours (North and South America)...making fans here feel like they're not even worth the 30 seconds it would have taken to type that out, let alone an actual visit...it's discouraged a lot of people....feels like they're deliberately trying to thin out the fan base...
--Taking away the primary method of communication we had with both the band and our friends on that side of the water...it's not like we can just head to someone's house after work...
--Announcing dates less than 24 hours prior to presale so no one has any chance to try and make a trip happen. (I'm sure those dates were confirmed sooner than that. They HAVE to be because of the logistics involved!!!)
...and there's been other things as well. It's been frustrating to say the least.
So what keeps ME coming back?
I still love the BAND and the MUSIC. I'm not holding the musicians responsible for these decisions--they are still doing what I rely on them to do. Record the new album and play some shows. And I know that both will be done with 110% effort and near-flawless results.
Business is right. It's starting to approach country club, though...the product being for the chosen few. I'm counting my blessings in this area, but it's really frustrating me that my fellow U.S. fans, and fans from outside the UK/Europe in general, are being rewarded for their loyalty with indifference and a carrot being dangled forever out of reach.
Fans are fans are fans. None should be treated as "more worthy" than the rest. We ALL support the band and the music, in our own ways.
Maybe they'll come to their senses soon and be more fair to everyone. If things can't be done, explanations would go a long way toward fostering goodwill and continued loyalty. It would just be nice to know that someone actually cares that we support the band.
(Besides the band themselves, of course...they know it...shows on the smiles they get on their faces when we show the love at the gigs. :top )
I'm just glad we have this place to support EACH OTHER. Especially for us long-suffering crew over the water, we need it. :oops: Thanks again, Michi.
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night nurse - 02.02.2006, 20:37
Well said Shannon :)
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redorro - 02.02.2006, 22:56
Shannon. I can't let your last posting go by without commenting. In my opinion, it has been a well thought out posting. I must say, (coming from a long way away), I do harbour many the same feelings as yourself. And yes, the Country Club analogy, is a very good one.
I especially agree with you on the loss of the so called "wonder of the internet which brings people together". Thanks to Michi, we are very slowly coming together again on this site. However, as it was an overnight sensation, losing SR.com, we have lost many folks and some individuals in far flung countries who will find it difficult to track us down, back together again, here on this site. I'm keen to see the people from places like Brazil, Russia back with us again. They are interesting folks. We are all interesting folks. :wink:
I actually didn't notice myself that the ticket sales were advised so late, not allowing people to plan adequately. (Please note: Pat is slack when it comes to detail. :oops: )
You have spoken well for me. And quite possibly for many 'distant' loyal, frustrated fans.
Cheers
Pat
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LoneStarRed - 04.02.2006, 01:22
Shannon,
Eloquently stated. I had noted the same trends and had arrived at the same conclusions but had become weary of the sound of my own [typed] voice on this issue. It really isn't my nature to be ungrateful or to be a constant bitcher and moaner but I felt those were the only kinds of posts I had to offer for a while. It is validating to know that others feel the same.
Driving home from the airport this evening, I was thinking about how I really want to get in contact with Soosie and Emily (amongst others) and how I was going to manage to track them down. They went out of their way to show kindness to me in London and even made a special purchase at Harrods to feed my cheese addiction. That thought led to some daydreaming about them coming over here to the States to join us when [if] SR ever comes back to tour here and how much fun that would be. I could have a chance to return, in some small part, their hospitality. Now, I just feel sad because that daydream seems more like a pipe dream or even just a flat out fantasy.
I keenly feel that the non-UK/European fans are being deliberately excluded. In the absence of any evidence to the contrary, it's almost impossible to feel otherwise. I wish I knew why. I just know that even with my fairly flexible schedule and excellent resources for lost-cost travel, 24 hours notice for ticket sales just won't cut it. I really despise using a ticket broker but that's the only recourse. Money that could be spent on tour merchandise to support the band goes to the ticket broker and that cheats the artists, in my opinion. So, I didn't even try for any tickets for the summer shows.
Of course, I agree that the band members have zero control over what happens with the website. It would be ridiculous to think otherwise. They are such great folks and fantastic musicians and artists and I see evidence of their total commitment to their craft in the work that they produce. I can't think of enough superlatives to describe their efforts. The few members I have been fortunate enough to meet were, without exception, gracious and patient with all of the fans that I saw them encounter. Private conversations and telephone calls were interrupted time and again without any evidence of annoyance.
I saw Ian come out of the Albert Hall concert after having delivered a knockout performance, trying to catch a quick cigarette and a sip of beer. He got maybe three drags off of the cigarette and a sip or two of beer and then he was innundated with requests for photos and autographs and he never stopped smiling or was anything less than welcoming to everyone who approached him. I was amazed. I think his mother must have raised him better than mine did me. I would have cut and run in a heartbeat.
Anyway, I am very, very sad over the website situation and the ticket notice situation and the whole ball of wax surrounding the fan situation. In time, I hope that most of the fans will ultimately be able to reconnect here. I will buy the music and support the musicians but evidently it will be from the outside looking in.
Peace and Joy!
Karen
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emily - 04.02.2006, 10:19
Karen, we are reunited here. Believe me, Soosie and I also talked about Texas and agreed that a trip would have been non stop fun and laughter with you. In general, can I just add and please don't bite my head off ...... perhaps the tour is confined to UK and Europe because of cost, not because they are 'more worthy'. It's just a thought .....
Love Em xx
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yolanda - 04.02.2006, 11:01
emily wrote: Karen, we are reunited here. Believe me, Soosie and I also talked about Texas and agreed that a trip would have been non stop fun and laughter with you. In general, can I just add and please don't bite my head off ...... perhaps the tour is confined to UK and Europe because of cost, not because they are 'more worthy'. It's just a thought .....
Love Em xx
I don't want to interfere but somehow that came to my mind aswell.
:hug Yolanda
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Dimi - 04.02.2006, 11:54
[quote="yolanda"][quote="emily"]Karen, we are reunited here. Believe me, Soosie and I also talked about Texas and agreed that a trip would have been non stop fun and laughter with you. In general, can I just add and please don't bite my head off ...... perhaps the tour is confined to UK and Europe because of cost, not because they are 'more worthy'. It's just a thought .....
Love Em xx[/quote]
I don't want to interfere but somehow that came to my mind aswell.
:hug Yolanda[/quote]
Yes I believe that might be the case!
X Dimi
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sasred - 04.02.2006, 20:58
Emily, Yolanda, and Dimi...thanks for your thoughts.
We're well aware over here that bringing the band over would be a costly proposition...if you read what we all wrote, our thoughts on the TOUR ITSELF were simply disappointment. (I could go into a discourse about how it takes money to make money, and that if they ever plan on selling anything here, they have to PROMOTE...making us wonder just how much of a priority the American/Australian markets are...but I'll save that rant for another day.)
Where we feel that we're being actively excluded and "less worthy" is where everything else has been handled...
...Announcing the dates the day before sale so we had NO time to plan...hell, some of the fans here didn't even FIND OUT about the dates/sale until several days later!!! Announcing them sooner wouldn't have cost them anything.
...Letting us know they'd canceled on us. That wouldn't have cost them anything either.
...and so on. The things we're taking the most issue with have nothing to do with money...simply their TIME and CONSIDERATION.
Things that some band members are sharing with us on an individual level, but that are sorely lacking from the home office.
I guess to really understand how we abroad feel, you'd have to LIVE here through a couple of album/tour cycles. I bet it would give you a whole new perspective and appreciation for just how good you have it over there.
For now, we'll just make do with our better-late-than-never Cuba! DVD (the days of not getting the video releases AT ALL seem to be over, mercifully!!), our Simplified cell phone ringtones (to make up for the lack of CD single releases), our grocery store Muzak playing the older tunes ('cause broadcast radio sure isn't touching the NEW stuff, despite repeated begging), and the occasional syndicated feed on public radio of months-old interviews. At least we're getting SOMETHING, right? :|
No offense meant to any of you, it's just frustrating, and I get snarky and sarcastic when I think about this sometimes. :oops:
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LoneStarRed - 04.02.2006, 21:38
Em!
I am thrilled to "find" you again! I wanted to tell you and Soosie that the Stilton was simply divine. Thank you both so very much. I think of you often and smile.
You are possibly correct about the reasons for limiting the concert stops to the U.K. and Europe. I won't argue about the motivations because we have had absolutely NO information from Simply Red regarding any of these decisions. I think that is the real issue here. Without any official information, we are left to draw our own conclusions and those conclusions are invariably flavored by the knowledge that other concerts are being scheduled elsewhere and we seem to be excluded for some reason.
I feel more and more fortunate every day that I made the decision to catch 5 of the Ireland/England shows last fall. I will never forget them. As much as those shows were fabulous, being with the other fans like you two just enhanced the whole experience. I can't think of two people I'd rather stand/sit and chat/laugh in the chilly wind and rain with than you two. You are both wickedly delightful.
That said, the door is always open for you two to come visit anytime. I have plenty of room for you two and any family/friends you'd like to bring along. There's always great music going on in Austin - highbrow and lowbrow and everything else in between. Tonight, I'll be at The Symphony to hear Mozart and Chopin and tomorrow I'll be having brunch outdoors listening to local artists play their original music. So, it's not like I'm living in a musical wasteland - I'm just deprived of Simply Red live performances.
Hugs to you both!
Peace and Joy!
Karen
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LoneStarRed - 04.02.2006, 21:59
Apparently, Shannon was writing her post while I was writing mine to Emily and Soosie.
May I say "ditto" to everything she said? She has a way of "cutting to the chase" and getting to the heart of the matter. May I also add that I waited [along with many others] ELEVEN YEARS for Simply Red to return to the United States. In dog years, thats......................a helluva LOT of years!
In my personal experience "Absence does NOT make the heart grow fonder." It's more like "Out of sight, out of mind." So, for me [and so many others] to stay loyal and supportive through so many years of neglect [regardless of the reason] speaks volumes for the quality of Simply Red's music and the quality of their far-flung fans.
Only two days ago I was In Los Angeles and some of the staff at the facility where I was working were discussing an upcoming UB40 concert at The House Of Blues in L.A. They were pretty jazzed about it and were discussing strategies to get close to the stage. I offered some suggestions based on my own experiences with the House of Blues and they asked me when I had last seen a concert there. I mentioned the Simply Red show at the HOB in Chicago. Practically in unison, they all said 'Are they STILL recording? I always loved their music." So then , I had to do a "commercial" for SR and tell about the recent concerts I attended, "Simplified", the "Cuba" DVD, and "Amplified" coming up sometime this year. Blah, blah, blah.... They all probably thought I was hallucinating.
I would love to say that this was a rare occurrence but I re-enact this scenario a couple times a month because I travel to so many different places and when talk turns to where I am from [Austin], the talk invariably turns to music and music discussions invariably lead to Simply Red when I am part of the discussion. I can't begin to relate how disheartening it is to get the same freaking response over and over again. It has begun to feel like a real exercise in futility. So, maybe I should just shut up about them already?
Peace and Joy!
Karen
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sasred - 04.02.2006, 22:11
*on floor, DYING of laughter*
YES, Karen, you nailed it!!! How many of you fans over the water hear these phrases on an almost daily basis as you flaunt your fandom??
"Oh, they're still around? Oh, what was that song they did...'I'll Keep Holding On'?" (We're talking the '86 version here, folks!!!!)
"Simply Red? Who are they? Never heard of 'em."
"Oh, yeah, I know them...'If You Don't Know Me By Now'...they broke up some time ago, right?"
And variations on the same theme. They're a non-entity here. There's a reason for that...
Of course, another one that drives ME nuts is "Oh, yeah, that redheaded guy." But that's a personal issue. :wink: :D
Thanks for your thoughts, Karen. May I take it from what you're writing that you're giving the summer dates a miss, then? Bugger it...am I the only Yank going this time out???? :shock:
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Dubwise - 04.02.2006, 23:07
I myself am disguted about the way they cancelled the gigs in South America and USA. So many people were looking forward to it and they just cancelled it. They were booked for Vina del Mar in Chile and a special someone i know was really looking forward to it.
The reason? Because they had to record Amplified! But wait!! Didnt Mick say it was finised last year??? Hmmmm...
Great way to loose fans Mick.
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LoneStarRed - 05.02.2006, 00:04
Shannon,
At this moment, I am planning to excuse myself from the summer concerts. I am hoping against hope that there will be a fall segment of the tour that will hit the Americas.
That does not mean that I won't freak out once the reviews start coming in from the U.K./European fans and hunt down a ticket or two from the Ticket Bastards on EBAY and hop over the water for a show or two. I'm trying hard to be more grown up and just wait.
I have several home projects on my plate this year: new roof and re-designing the patio and garden outside of my home office. That money could be better spent on those projects instead of having to travel so far away. As much as I LOVE London [and I really, really, really do!] I shouldn't HAVE to travel that far to see a live show. So now I'm just being stubborn even if it means cutting off my own nose to spite my own face.
Just goes to show that one doesn't have to be a [natural] red head to be obstinate.
Peace and Joy!
Karen
:twisted:
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sasred - 05.02.2006, 01:00
You're not alone, Karen...others are considering this too costly a venture as well. Even a person I would consider THE premier hardcore fan from the States...she's well-known in SR lore. She couldn't justify the $1,000 + airfare for rather inaccessible venues either, and is holding out for the same as you.
I'm only doing it 'cause I'm still a student and can get away with this a bit cheaper, plus I have no obligations tying me down except school, and my professors are cool with me ditching so long as I turn in the work. As I put it to my friend this afternoon..."No kids...no man...no full-time job...no sanity. A great combination." :-}
Real life will have me by the neck when I finish my masters', so I'm running wild while I still can. :top
(Plus I'm going to do some more in-depth research to see what it would take to set up shop over there permanently...if I'm going to make an international move, my circumstances are ripe for me to do it)
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redorro - 05.02.2006, 07:01
Very interesting reading. Qite honestly. :)
I like to think that the postings are read in the way they are intended. It can be read by some, as a group of disgruntled people having a whinge at SR expense.
But it isn't. This is a group (including myself), of very disappointed (distant) loyal fans. DISAPPOINTMENT.
I hope the messages are read as ithey are intended. :-D
I actually heard PERFECT LOVE in my local supermarket the other day. So, sang along (too) loudly, ensuring everyone deserted my aisle. :oops: :lol:
This raises a question. If a 'single' isn't officially released, can they play excepts from the album in public places eg the supermarket? I've tried to seek out the single Perfect Love here in Australia but to no avail.
We are a small country and most of our money goes overseas. So, I'm trying to buy my Simply Red music locally, than buy from the shop. :D
Pat
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song 4 u - 09.02.2006, 10:02lone star has a good point!!
i think lone star has a good point here regarding the website....
i think we should consolidate this one(redbox) and try to do global chat communication ...and use the sr site to get the occasional product or snippets of info from ...the other thing they will have is A CHAT ROOM..which i am assuming is hard to set up . RED BOX should try and do one too...
i am sure we could have a whip round to raise cash to pay for the job??as it must be time consuming...
i get a feeling that sr have underestimated the true fan base!! on this issue!!
power to the REDBOX i say!!
s4u xxxx 8)
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LoneStarRed - 09.02.2006, 10:38
I'd love for us to get the Chat room back. I don't think it's actually all that difficult to arrange and I'll certainly help with any costs. I don't want to wait for the official website to set up the chatroom or set ourselves up for having it snatched away from us again. We can all agree on basic rules of conduct for the chat and take it from there. We have managed to keep the forum here going without any real issues that I know of.
Karen
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sasred - 09.02.2006, 10:47
*huge, face-splitting grin*
The mod's on it. Have passed communications to the almighty Administrator; she's the techno-geek 'round here and I found something she might be able to play with. Worst it seems it would set us back is $30 per month for something with extra bells and whistles. I guess it depends on how fancy you guys want it. I say go for a stripped down version and get it up and running ASAP...what's more important, after all, the looks or the ability to communicate??? :wink:
Your mod is a happy bunny right now. Even though I have but two sentences done of an 8-page paper, and still haven't started another major project for the same class (which has its final meeting tonight). Oops...
Sad part is, the gentleman above was the inspiration for the research paper...I have the research done, the notes taken, but can't seem to thread together a coherent thought to get the thing rolling... :oops: :D
Maybe the fact that it's 3:48 am and I'm still forcing myself to stay awake may have something to do with it??? *giggles*
<--------Once again, see avatar. :lol:
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emily - 09.02.2006, 13:45
Hiya, just read through the last page since my posting on this topic. Can I just say that I completely understand what you guys are feeling. I know and more importantly I appreciate that I have not experienced the lack of concerts etc etc but I 100% empathise with the way in which you have found things out. An official announcement from sr.com would have eliminated some of your disappointment. I was not trying to be devils advocate when I mentioned cost as I know that you guys that post here are well aware of what it takes for a band to come overseas. I hope that one day (soon) you will have the news that you long for, in the meantime I cannot help with the costs but you are always welcome to the UK !! If I win the lottery I will book the band myself and you are all invited, I guess I will just book the show in the US!! And Karen, don't tempt us over ... your lovely compliments to myself and Sue put a smile on my face and who knows Austin may get a visit !!!
Love Em xx
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Just T - 09.02.2006, 14:37
Hey Em,
I will cross my fingers, you win this lottery.
Then i put my totthbrush behind my ears and fly to the UK.
Huge hug from me. T xxx
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simplymichi - 09.02.2006, 20:13
song 4 u wrote: i think lone star has a good point here regarding the website....
i think we should consolidate this one(redbox) and try to do global chat communication ...and use the sr site to get the occasional product or snippets of info from ...the other thing they will have is A CHAT ROOM..which i am assuming is hard to set up . RED BOX should try and do one too...
i am sure we could have a whip round to raise cash to pay for the job??as it must be time consuming...
i get a feeling that sr have underestimated the true fan base!! on this issue!!
power to the REDBOX i say!!
s4u xxxx 8)
Hi Dave!
Nice to see you here again and thanx for your nice words *charming*
sasred wrote: The mod's on it. Have passed communications to the almighty Administrator; she's the techno-geek 'round here and I found something she might be able to play with.
*lol* Whom are you talking about? Actually, I am a total computer analphabetic. Html, Java, PHP … I know NOTHING about it. (My brother usually says “main problem sits in front of the apparat” and he is most probably right with that.) And that may be the main reason that I probably won’t be able to set up a chat room. I will try it ‘though!
In the meantime, we could use the chat room there: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/redmick/
<--- pointing at myself:
:D :wink:
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sasred - 09.02.2006, 21:01
*laughs at picture*
Michi, don't be so modest. It looked to me like the stuff on that site was just plug n' play--copy the code over and watch the fireworks. I could be wrong though. My brother's the REAL techno-geek, he's going to school for this stuff...maybe he could help out. I have to roost up by the relation over Spring Break anyway, as I just found out...see what you can do, and if you hit a wall, I'll see if he can lend a hand. He knows better than to mess with Big Sis when it comes to her SR addiction...er, interest. Yeah, interest, that's it. :wink: :D :devil
Back to da paper.
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simplymichi - 09.02.2006, 21:54
sasred wrote: *laughs at picture*
Michi, don't be so modest. It looked to me like the stuff on that site was just plug n' play--copy the code over and watch the fireworks.
Yes, I think I understood how it works but I'm afraid I would need a homepage to host the chat as there's no possibility to edit the source code of this forum.
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sasred - 10.02.2006, 05:02
Hmmmmm...interesting dilemma. You think maybe we should set up a website and link this forum to it somehow? (I realize, of course, we'd be taking on one devil of a project, and would need the time...)
*adopts Thinker pose*
I'm gonna find out when my brother's Spring Break is, if it overlaps with mine somehow...gotta pick that brain of his.
If it can be done, we'll find a way to do it. And I'll take a look at that site and see what all it involves too. Maybe we can still tweak it to link up to here somehow.
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LoneStarRed - 10.02.2006, 05:14
I was just reading thru here and somehow I combined Matchbox 20 and UB40 to get 'UB20! Duh! I need to proofread my writing!
Chat sounds great! I'm ready to pay for the first month to get us started. Just let me know who to pay and how. I'm traveling right now but I'll check back in when I get home this weekend. hugs all around!
Peace and Joy!
Karen
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hanneke - 10.02.2006, 10:56
LoneStarRed wrote: I was just reading thru here and somehow I combined Matchbox 20 and UB40 to get 'UB20! Duh! I need to proofread my writing!
Chat sounds great! I'm ready to pay for the first month to get us started. Just let me know who to pay and how. I'm traveling right now but I'll check back in when I get home this weekend. hugs all around!
Peace and Joy!
Karen
you can count me in too!!! would be great if we'd have a chatroom inhere!!! :top
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Redlollipop - 10.02.2006, 10:58
Hi all
Like you all I'm sad to read the news that the official site probably will not bring back the forums. I do hope that anything I say here will not cause offence as most of it is factual. At the present time I am uncertain as to who is in charge of the official website, so I refer to 'Management'.
Having been a member of the website since the demise of the old postal SRIS (OK, I agree, not so long as some of you have been in contact with the official website) I have read many of the posts over those years, good and bad. In the days of the old SRIS we were interested enough in Mick and the band to pay to join the fan club to get the information we wanted but even then only the letters and information we sent to SRIS were included in the ITRB if it was thought to be of interest, basically, nothing that was 'constructive critisism' would be included. None of us can know how many of our letters and items sent hoping they would be included in the magazine were discarded. UK Postal and printing costs suddenly increased and technology moved on and it was decided that SR could reach a wider audience by closing the SRIS and putting it onto the Internet and it was then that the problems began.
On the whole, most of the members who joined the website were the SRIS members and new fans who had found Simply Red. Unfortunately, not everyone in the world is the same, we don't all speak the same language and what is acceptable in some countries is unacceptable in others. Also the written world is not always interpretted by the reader in the same way that the writer intended and this is where the problems begin. In addition there are those out there who delight in creating problems and unfortunately some of them found their way to the official Simply Red site. I remember some years ago that the forum section on the site a short time after I joined was closed for a a time due to the 'problem' posts. When the last simplyred.com website was opened with the new style forums I think we all thought that the security systems they had included (whatever they were) would help to prevent the 'problem' posts as they would be able to trace and block the offenders. Unfortunately, as we all know to our cost, this wasn't the case and the problem posts persisted. There was some mention of the possibility of a separate section being available on the website for those of us who were truly interested in SR to pay a subscription to the site to once again gain access to the truly 'exclusive' information. However, I have to say that the 'exclusive' information they issue is perhaps not always as 'exclusive' as it should be. Although I do understand that in business, information is only passed on to those who need to know when Management think the time is right.
Perhaps, I am living in my own little 'Redworld' here, but I feel that the withdrawal of the forums has nothing to do with spite of fans, only being interested in us paying for merchandise, or other similar suggestions here, maybe I'm wrong. I feel it is the only option that Management have felt was open to them to prevent all the problems that the open forum created. I do hope that I am proved wrong and they will reopen the forums again at some time in the future but I fear not. I trust that the information sections of the website will be on-line again in the future but how long this will take is anyone's guess as it took some months to add the information to the previous site.
In the meantime, a big thank you to Simplymichi and Sasred for all of your hard work in getting this site on-line and I look forward to the site continuing in the same peaceful manner as it has begun.
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knokkak - 11.02.2006, 01:07
LoneStarRed wrote: Apparently, Shannon was writing her post while I was writing mine to Emily and Soosie.
May I say "ditto" to everything she said? She has a way of "cutting to the chase" and getting to the heart of the matter. May I also add that I waited [along with many others] ELEVEN YEARS for Simply Red to return to the United States. In dog years, thats......................a helluva LOT of years!
In my personal experience "Absence does NOT make the heart grow fonder." It's more like "Out of sight, out of mind." So, for me [and so many others] to stay loyal and supportive through so many years of neglect [regardless of the reason] speaks volumes for the quality of Simply Red's music and the quality of their far-flung fans.
Only two days ago I was In Los Angeles and some of the staff at the facility where I was working were discussing an upcoming UB40 concert at The House Of Blues in L.A. They were pretty jazzed about it and were discussing strategies to get close to the stage. I offered some suggestions based on my own experiences with the House of Blues and they asked me when I had last seen a concert there. I mentioned the Simply Red show at the HOB in Chicago. Practically in unison, they all said 'Are they STILL recording? I always loved their music." So then , I had to do a "commercial" for SR and tell about the recent concerts I attended, "Simplified", the "Cuba" DVD, and "Amplified" coming up sometime this year. Blah, blah, blah.... They all probably thought I was hallucinating.
I would love to say that this was a rare occurrence but I re-enact this scenario a couple times a month because I travel to so many different places and when talk turns to where I am from [Austin], the talk invariably turns to music and music discussions invariably lead to Simply Red when I am part of the discussion. I can't begin to relate how disheartening it is to get the same freaking response over and over again. It has begun to feel like a real exercise in futility. So, maybe I should just shut up about them already?
Peace and Joy!
Karen
LOL OH BOY KAREN I COULD HAVE WRITTEN THIS POST MYSELF! LOL OH YES I GET THOSE RESPONSES AND LOOKS ALL THE TIME....AND I ALSO DO THE COMMERCIAL BIT.....too funny....
But dont shut up about them...don't give up just yet!
Yes I agree with a few things you guys have posted, and I also agree with the post that stated perhaps there was a "cost" issue.....but you know what I have no time to get frustrated. I love this music, I enjoyed my trip over to the concerts, I have my CDS and DVDS....and perhaps one day they'll get over here...and maybe they won't....if not I'll go back when the time and price is good for me and Simply Red...lol
Meanwhile, SR has given me great music, great live shows, and an entire new set of friends.......so I'm cool.
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linmark - 12.02.2006, 16:06
Lissa Kaye wrote: I don't have all that much new to add, I agree with what's been said so far.
But I'm just so happy this website exists in the first place. When I first logged onto the 'official' site, way back last February, I didn't expect myself to be logging on as much as I did. I thought I'd be logging on once in a blue moon. But once I got to know everyone, I just kept on coming back for more and more. Everyone was just so funny, witty, amusing, intelligent. I'll never forget the replies I received in response to my Nan's passing - it meant so much. The site wasn't just a place where fans could congregate and discuss things, it was more like an extended family, where fans were more than willing to lend advice, and a helping hand (this happened to me quite a few times).
So, like everyone else, I was gutted when the site got hacked into. I went into an instant panic, and watching me go into a panic isn't a pretty site, "Omg what am I gonna do? Can't talk to no one, need my SR fix, need my info, want to post...omg the chat line has gone! I want my chatline"! Perhaps the official site could see this as an opportunity to improve or better itself...like what someone else said, the forums were becoming a bit bizarre, quite a few arguments were breaking out, and it did get less enjoyable in that sense...but at least i got to chat to Dave three times (not that I counted). That would never have happened to me.
Off on a tangent. Miss Blabberlips does apologise (my alter ego).
So yes, these forums could definitely give the official site a run for it's money, it's definitely heading that way, but I think I would prefer this site...I don't see any arguments breaking out here for a long time yet.
Hi Lissa, good to see you again,
Gee, I've been away on business and had not read anything in this forum for a while, many good points have been made....
I agree with Em that costs and travel schedules probably have more to do with the rest of the world tour dates.....and the fact about posting tickets sales info in advance so others outside the UK could make travel arrangements and schedule vacation time would have helped the few who have extra coins in their pockets to travel....
Well, Michi has given us all a SECOND CHANCE to meet up with each other and Michi and Shannon's postings and revival of CHAT will be great for everyone who have missed it....
Hope to see you all live in CHAT very soon, so far I have peeked in and nobody has been there yet....
Was so great to meet a lot of you when we were in London in June...I don't know how we would have accomplished this without a website, and thanks to Sarah for arranging it all...Hey Em, where is Sarah ??
Love,
Lin xx
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emily - 13.02.2006, 09:52
Hiya Lin
Sarah is around just quite busy with some redecoration works at her home. I have told her all about this website and she promises she will post soon. Alex, Margaret, Sarah, Soosie and I will be seeing eachother on 25th February so it will be good to catch up with them all.
Love Em xx
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hanneke - 13.02.2006, 12:51
emily wrote: Hiya Lin
Sarah is around just quite busy with some redecoration works at her home. I have told her all about this website and she promises she will post soon. Alex, Margaret, Sarah, Soosie and I will be seeing eachother on 25th February so it will be good to catch up with them all.
Love Em xx
nice! i'm sure you'll all be having lots of fun again! but please.......don't drink so much as you did last year in may... :wink: :D , you know we dutchies hAte booze... :motz
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simplymichi - 13.02.2006, 13:11
hanneke wrote: , you know we dutchies hAte booze... :motz
Really??? Will ask my sax-teacher, he's a true Dutchie too. But maybe he's the exception to the rule :devil :P
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emily - 13.02.2006, 13:58
Han, believe it or not I have virtually given up alcohol !!! Only have a couple on special occasions now !! As for you Dutchies hating booze please remind me who had a bottle of Tia Maria outside the Royal Albert Hall !!
Love Em xx
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hanneke - 13.02.2006, 19:38
emily wrote: Han, believe it or not I have virtually given up alcohol !!! Only have a couple on special occasions now !! As for you Dutchies hating booze please remind me who had a bottle of Tia Maria outside the Royal Albert Hall !!
Love Em xx
hahaha!!!! let me think :hae ...that was marja! never drank one drop of that bottle :wink:
to be honest...we already opened that bottle during the concert, it was saying to us: drink me, drink me! couldn't dissapoint Maria could we? :wink:
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hanneke - 13.02.2006, 19:39
simplymichi wrote: hanneke wrote: , you know we dutchies hAte booze... :motz
Really??? Will ask my sax-teacher, he's a true Dutchie too. But maybe he's the exception to the rule :devil :P
can't imagine that michi! :wink:
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LoneStarRed - 17.02.2006, 00:35
I just made a run to the supermarket to get "the "basics": bread, butter, milk, cheese, dog biscuits... because even though we have been having gloriously sunny weather, a nasty, rainy cold front is due in here in mere hours and I don't want to be out foraging about in rotten weather. This is the edge of that big Arctic storm system that has attacked North America over the past week, setting records for low temperatures and snowfall. Especially New York City and upstate New York.
Then, suddenly, I had a happy thought! This is just about the time that the fabled North American leg of the "Amplified" tour was supposed to be taking place. In or near Niagra Falls, I think. I recall ranting to Ian and Dave and a few folks who couldn't outrun me at RAH that this was the absolute worst time for them to try to come do a tour because of the likelihood of extremely cold and possibly dangerous weather. Then, I did my commercial for them coming to Austin instead and having "all the sunshine you can shovel." I know you have all heard this part so feel free to skip it.
Anyway, so instead of saying 'I told you so!", I'll just say that I am really glad that our favorite band is not stranded in a bus or some hotel in the Catskills right now and are safely home and, hopefully, warm. So, something good has come of the cancelled tour anyway.
Peace and Joy (and Winter Sunshine)
Karen
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sasred - 17.02.2006, 04:05
Very true, Karen. I had the same concerns when we initially heard the schedule, being raised in the Midwest, which is notorious for hellish winters.
I believe everything happens for a reason. Maybe it was to keep our beloved band safe that the tour just never happened. :wink:
Hope all our friends out East are digging out OK...here, we're bracing for the arrival of winter as we know it (it's been unseasonably mild so far)--temps in the single digits by Saturday. And the ground has a thin sheet of ice on it right now as it was thunderstorms on and off all day, but now the temps are plummeting... :?
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night nurse - 17.02.2006, 04:56
Hey Shannon~
We had a blizzard to day here in Iowa with Lightning and Thunder! Bizarre! It is so cold and windy now! I hate it. I'm hoping the kids have another snow day tomorrow so I don't have to go out in it!
Stay safe and warm there in ChiTown~
Angie
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sasred - 17.02.2006, 06:05
night nurse wrote: Hey Shannon~
We had a blizzard to day here in Iowa with Lightning and Thunder! Bizarre! It is so cold and windy now! I hate it. I'm hoping the kids have another snow day tomorrow so I don't have to go out in it!
Stay safe and warm there in ChiTown~
Angie
Hiya Angie,
That is bizarre!! So you got snow out of the storms we got the rain/freezing rain out of...
Here's hoping you get that snow day, and I hope you stay warm and safe too. I don't want to be out in this weather either (I can hear that same wind howl outside my window), but I've got to get downtown Chi-town tomorrow...see the Practise Room thread. :D
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linmark - 17.02.2006, 07:37
emily wrote: Han, believe it or not I have virtually given up alcohol !!! Only have a couple on special occasions now !! As for you Dutchies hating booze please remind me who had a bottle of Tia Maria outside the Royal Albert Hall !!
Love Em xx
Yeah right Han,
that's why they had to throw us out of that pub
during "last call" and we were all standing there
ordering another round.....
that was the quickest "bottoms-up"....
After the holidays have cut the calories....
except not the chocolates...
Love,
Lin xx
miss you all
:oops:
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yolanda - 17.02.2006, 08:39
emily wrote: Han, believe it or not I have virtually given up alcohol !!! Only have a couple on special occasions now !! As for you Dutchies hating booze please remind me who had a bottle of Tia Maria outside the Royal Albert Hall !!
Love Em xx
Surely not Han????? :o :shock: :? :wink:
:hug Yolanda
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yolanda - 17.02.2006, 08:41
linmark wrote: Yeah right Han,
that's why they had to throw us out of that pub
during "last call" and we were all standing there
ordering another round.....
that was the quickest "bottoms-up"....
After the holidays have cut the calories....
except not the chocolates...
Love,
Lin xx
miss you all
:oops:
:D Lin, we sure had a good time!!!
Hope to do it again sometime soon!
And don't worry if it's possible for you to come to Holland,
they won't throw you out of the pub overhere!!!!
Dutch pubs you know! :wink: :lol: :D
:hug Yolanda
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Njola - 22.02.2006, 19:24
simplymichi wrote: hanneke wrote: , you know we dutchies hAte booze... :motz
Really??? Will ask my sax-teacher, he's a true Dutchie too. But maybe he's the exception to the rule :devil :P
you will ask your sex-teacher? :oops: if he is a true dutchie he hates booze, just like we all do :D :angel
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simplymichi - 22.02.2006, 19:47
Njola wrote:
you will ask your sex-teacher? :oops: if he is a true dutchie he hates booze, just like we all do :D :angel
:lol: ahem :oops: *blush* ... no, he's only my sAx-teacher ... and I'm sure he hates the hangover the day after a booze :P :devil
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linmark - 01.03.2006, 05:12
Right you are Yolanda.....
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Lin, we sure had a good time!!!
Hope to do it again sometime soon!
And don't worry if it's possible for you to come to Holland,
they won't throw you out of the pub overhere!!!!
Dutch pubs you know!
Yolanda
_________________
your beauty lies within you
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yolanda - 01.03.2006, 07:24
linmark wrote: Right you are Yolanda.....
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Lin, we sure had a good time!!!
Hope to do it again sometime soon!
And don't worry if it's possible for you to come to Holland,
they won't throw you out of the pub overhere!!!!
Dutch pubs you know!
Yolanda
_________________
your beauty lies within you
Did you already made any plans Lin??
Just to tell you in Holland the pubs don't close at 11, not even on
a Sunday night so you better be prepared! :wink:
If you come to Holland that is ofcourse! :-D
:hug Yolanda
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hanneke - 01.03.2006, 12:15
pubs in england :wink: are open all night now i heard??? so Lin...next time we can order some more rounds..... :wink:
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LoneStarRed - 01.03.2006, 15:01Open all night!
Hey, I know a few islands off the west coast of Ireland that have pubs that never close. No Garda. No problem. So if you run out of places to go elsewhere, I'll be glad to hook you up.
Karen
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linmark - 02.03.2006, 03:16
hanneke wrote: pubs in england :wink: are open all night now i heard??? so Lin...next time we can order some more rounds..... :wink:
you betcha !
and my wallet is open to buy lots of rounds....
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hey, it's time you changed your icon to the easter bunny poop,
the xmas poop has been scooped !!
and the bunnies have smaller droppings (not like a Sheepdogs).
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Let's Get This Party Started .....
:twisted:
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Elisah - 03.03.2006, 23:38
WEL DONE KAREN,
I COMPLEETLY AGREE WITH YOU.
Love Elisah
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hanneke - 04.03.2006, 00:40
linmark wrote: hanneke wrote: pubs in england :wink: are open all night now i heard??? so Lin...next time we can order some more rounds..... :wink:
you betcha !
and my wallet is open to buy lots of rounds....
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hey, it's time you changed your icon to the easter bunny poop,
the xmas poop has been scooped !!
and the bunnies have smaller droppings (not like a Sheepdogs).
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Let's Get This Party Started .....
:twisted: count me in for some drinks! :wink: but is there an easter poo in south park???? no there isnt!!! pity :D have to stick on this one, its christmas again before you know it........ :D and when christmas 2006 arrives????? i'm HOT again! yeah baby yeah!!!
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hanneke - 04.03.2006, 00:46Re: Open all night!
LoneStarRed wrote: Hey, I know a few islands off the west coast of Ireland that have pubs that never close. No Garda. No problem. So if you run out of places to go elsewhere, I'll be glad to hook you up.
Karen we know where to find you karen! thanks a lot! :D
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kuhnsbrat - 25.03.2006, 23:43
That is a total shame! I have not been there for a while I should show. Man I wanted these recipes back for some were not downloaded.
My fault! Should'a could'a would'a
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sasred - 04.04.2006, 07:20
kuhnsbrat wrote: That is a total shame! I have not been there for a while I should show. Man I wanted these recipes back for some were not downloaded.
My fault! Should'a could'a would'a
I know the pain...didn't print off certain threads in the two weeks prior to the crash, wish I could get the last bits from 'em...*long sigh*
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kuhnsbrat - 05.04.2006, 05:23
Well, since I have to improve my typing for a test later in the few months for a class I will try to fill the recipes section.
Back to the drawing board when I get back from vacation.
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