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Re: Possibly part of Ju-88
Silko - 31.07.2008, 07:01Possibly part of Ju-88
Hello from Saxonia/Germany,
I am interested in the end of WW 2 especially in Thuringia and found now this great forum. Glad to be here. I live in Leipzig/Saxonia now, and I can tell you ... the area arround Leipzig is absolut interesting for everybody interested in historical items/data.
This part from a crashsite should belong to a Ju-88, but I am not sure. Can anyone identify, what it should be? It seems like a serial number and an inspection stamp on it.
Thanks for helping
Bess regards
Silko
Re: Possibly part of Ju-88
Pathfinder - 31.07.2008, 18:11
Hi Silko,
welcome to our board !
Your part looks like as a part from the wing contruction, but I will check my archive. The number is no serial number, it´s a part number.
Why do you think it is a part of a Ju88 ?
Regards
Nils
Re: Possibly part of Ju-88
Silko - 01.08.2008, 07:00
Pathfinder wrote: Your part looks like as a part from the wing contruction, but I will check my archive. The number is no serial number, it´s a part number.
Why do you think it is a part of a Ju88 ?
Yea, anything this kind - a part number.
We got the first hints by an eyewhitness still living today near the crashsite. He was a child at the end of war, wrote some books. And in one of his books was described the crash of the plane. He should have been able to identify several types of planes, so he was totally sure, that it had been a Ju-88.
Another expert was doing his job some months ago in the crashsite area. He found a part with a number. He sad, there would be no doubt, that it is a Ju-88. I've never seen the part until now. But I believe him.
Regards
Silko
Re: Possibly part of Ju-88
Silko - 29.08.2008, 13:34
Are there any news regarding the part introduced? Was anybody able to find out some details? Thx a lot.
Silko
Re: Possibly part of Ju-88
Silko - 30.10.2008, 13:37
Dear friends,
the search was going on, and the deeper the search the better the pieces found. First I will introduce two metal type plates found at the crashsite.
Geräte-Nr. (device Number): 127-251-A- may be, here was a following digit
Werk-Nr . (serial number): 41290
Hersteller (manufacturer code): ghh
I couldn't find any information about the "Werk-Nr" and "Hersteller". The "Geräte-Nr" I found in this list, but with a completely different "Werk-Nr".
http://www.ottogiftmacher.wz.cz/Files/luftwaffe.pdf
There it is named as a "Gleichstrom-Drehstrom-Umwandler" (an inverter). So I don't know exactly, how the system of "Geräte-Nrn" was working. Am I right to say: same or similar parts/components got always the same or a similar "Geräte-Nr" - even in different planes with different "Werk-Nr"?
The other type plate:
3488...094 7
...188 25
w b s
Interesting the digits "188". I have no idea, if theses first two numbers are "Werk-Nr" and "Geräte-Nr" too. It seems, that "wbs" could be a manufacturer code. The "s" is in a distance to the leading 2 letters. Can anybody help with identifying or decoding? Thanks a lot.
Best regards
Silko
Re: Possibly part of Ju-88
Pathfinder - 30.10.2008, 15:51
Silko,
the "Werknummer" is only the serial number of the part. Every device has a different serial numer. This number is not the serial number of the aircraft.
I think the manufacture code is here "ghn", not "ghh".
ghh = Kober & Co. Haarschneidemaschinenfabrik, Suhl
ghn = Ullrich % Co. Metallwarenfabrik Oberschönau/Thüringen
The number 3488...on the last plate should be the :
device number
serial number
manufacturer
The manufacturer code "wbs" was not allocated. Please look if the first letter correct.
Regards
Nils
Re: Possibly part of Ju-88
Silko - 30.10.2008, 20:49
Pathfinder wrote: the "Werknummer" is only the serial number of the part. Every device has a different serial numer. This number is not the serial number of the aircraft.
Ok. Thx a lot. I thought, when all parts first time are built in a plane, they get all the same serial number. I thought, the reason for different serial numbers in a plane could only be a replacement of parts in the past. You say, all parts have different serial numbers. How would it the be possible, to identify a plane on its serial number?
Pathfinder wrote: I think the manufacture code is here "ghn", not "ghh".
ghh = Kober & Co. Haarschneidemaschinenfabrik, Suhl
ghn = Ullrich % Co. Metallwarenfabrik Oberschönau/Thüringen
ghn would be a better combination, but there's absolutely no doubt, that the code is ghh. You can see it on both photos. I will check this again. Please be so kind to tell me, if there is a database on the internet für manufacturer codes available. Do you have a source for these 2 codes?
Pathfinder wrote: The number 3488...on the last plate should be the :
device number
serial number
manufacturer
The complete number in one line? I thought in each line one number - as usual. Yea that's what I thought too.
Pathfinder wrote: The manufacturer code "wbs" was not allocated. Please look if the first letter correct.
Astonishing is, that the "s" is so far away from the other digits. May be, that "ws" were not the leading letters and the "s" is in no realtion to the code. I will check this too.
But, thanks very much for your reply.
Re: Possibly part of Ju-88
Pathfinder - 30.10.2008, 22:11
Hi,
the serial number on rating plates can give a notice of the type and model. The serial number on rating plates of aircraft equipment is similar to understand with the vehicle identification number of a car (example).
To identify a german aircraft with a rating plate, you need a rating plate with the notice of the type of aircraft and the serial number. Sadly I cannot say how looks this plate of a Ju88 and on what location it was fixed. Some rating plates of german a/c was fixed on the tail section...
A lot of aircraft equiment was used on a lot of different types of aircrafts, they have the same "Sachnummer" / "FL-Nummer" ect.
On interest are the part numbers you can find or have. This numbers could be help to contain the type and model of the aircraft.
The source of the manufacture code is: "Liste der Fertigungskennzeichen für Waffen, Munition und Gerät", printed by Oberkommando des Heeres.
The problem on your code is, the codes to end with the code "ozz". It´s not sure if more code was published during the wwII...
A database you may find in the www, but I´m not sure :roll:
A report of a eyewitness is no proof that this type of aircraft went down really. You can see this report only as notice. If you ask by the church in this location, or you research in the archive (chronicle), you may can find a notice of this crash. Every notice is important to identify a aircraft and crew.
Regards
Nils
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