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Re: How about a DF raid?
Hornster - 29.08.2007, 00:53How about a DF raid?
ok as the title says, how about a DF raid?
I mean how about killing legion, all prince and the princess
with a similiar system as the one used @ dragonraids - or even the same? like 10 pts for legion and 5 pts or even less for each prince/princess?
and why? u know... gole is not the only one with nice items ^^
(if there is an interest, the date should be decided later)
Re: How about a DF raid?
Zeteg - 29.08.2007, 06:06
I'm up for it, though I'll probably need some more levels.
Re: How about a DF raid?
Sinius - 29.08.2007, 08:34
but you cant say it here ... everyone can read it .. so if yuo say Legion raid tomorow 8pm you will have just MB and RW waiting there to kill you ;p
Re: How about a DF raid?
pryt - 29.08.2007, 12:37
if mb and rw are waiting there, it shows the lameness of them ... :)
Re: How about a DF raid?
Hornster - 29.08.2007, 12:40
yeah so we'll pronounce the date in another thread, but here's the poll, so please vote :)
Re: How about a DF raid?
Kronos - 29.08.2007, 13:26
Ok folks,
here some things from my side i would like to add.
First of all, thank you Hornster for posting this topic here. I have been asked about legion raids quite some times in the last six months, and i always told people to start a topic. They rarely did something.
As you can see, the forum is already named as a dragon/legion raid forum. And at the beginning it was my plan to start legion raids the same way like we did it with dragon raids. So, why is there no legion raid atm?
The reasons are quite obvious:
- Legion does not offer items of similar use as the dragon does. The items are good, not argueing on that, but dragon drops are better, at least most of them
- Legion is in DF so DF needs to be open when starting a legion raid. Opening DF is not always very easy. Yes, it's only one keep...but...
- Legion is in DF and DF is RvR zone. The enemy might get the news about albions raid. And...they will get the news. Folks, it does not really difference if we would post the legion raid dates here in the closed area or if we would do it in the uthgard news. Many people here have chars in more than one realm and there are some that do not share your principles of fighting for one realm or at least not openly betraying one of the realms.
The news will get out, there will alway be someone who wants to take an advantage out of it or who just can't be quiet...
And...to be really successfull with enough players we would need some regular starting times and dates.
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So...
Those were the reasons we for our parts did not organize a legion raid til now.
What do i want to say about it:
Well, of course we can have legion raids on a regular basis. We can have these raids on another day of the week, maybe thursday or wednesday.
If you want these raids to be organized by the same team organizing the dragonraids atm, i for my part are open for it. But, what i won't support are legion raids on monday/friday because the dragonraids are working quite well on those dates and the dragon in my opinion still is the better mob to be farmed.
So, discuss the following things:
- Do you want a legion raid?
- Do you want it to be organized by the dragonraid management?
- Do you want the same scoreboard or another scoreboard?
- Which date do you want the legion raids to take place?
Kronos
Re: How about a DF raid?
elTakapiru - 29.08.2007, 13:39
Im in, and organizers can be same, if they like the job :), and score system is good, so theres no reason to change it.
And for the date, pick some day, there always is someone that cant be on some particular day....
Re: How about a DF raid?
Hornster - 29.08.2007, 14:06
Kronos, you thoughts are good... I agree
okay about the things we should discuss:
1.: I want a legion/df raid
2.: the DR organisation is nice, so it would be good if there is the same @ DF raid
3.: I prefer exactly the same scoreboard, cuz so you can use ur points on legion items too
4.: as already mentioned, the date should be decided in anoter post....
Re: How about a DF raid?
Kronos - 29.08.2007, 14:17
Ok, as i can see, we will have lots of "Yes" votes and less postings with real discussable content (as always) ^^.
So lets make some things clear:
- as i said i would participate and support a legion raid project
- we could use the scoreboard of the dragonraid for legion raids, but only after another vote about that
- we would need at least 2 better 3 new organizing members, because we hardly get the organizing of dragonraids done. Neither cletus nor I are able to organize a third raid in a week on a regular basis and i do not think the other DR-org members will have the time
Kronos
Re: How about a DF raid?
Sinius - 29.08.2007, 14:19
1)
i have mixed feelings about making same scoreboard, i am not kinda interesed in legion. (only 1 item worth legion is str/con charge but its rare .. some hib grp is farming legion often and they gotn one charge per 13 raids)But if it wil be same score board for both i will be kinda forced to go legion beacause i will have less points than ppl who do legion and it wil be harder for me getting nice dragon drops like rings which are always expensive .
2)
pryt wrote:if mb and rw are waiting there, it shows the lameness of them ... :)
rpses are rpses no matter in what way you got it ,unless you brake rules
3) even if enemy dont know when is it , just 1 stelther in df who notice alb zerg and you will have soon inc ... i already destroyed once alb legion raid while i was hib in that way (fg with 4 druids :D)
Re: How about a DF raid?
elTakapiru - 29.08.2007, 14:32
I agree with sinius, make dr and legion score boards separated.
Re: How about a DF raid?
Kronos - 29.08.2007, 14:38
Sinius wrote:1)
i have mixed feelings about making same scoreboard, i am not kinda interesed in legion. (only 1 item worth legion is str/con charge but its rare .. some hib grp is farming legion often and they gotn one charge per 13 raids)But if it wil be same score board for both i will be kinda forced to go legion beacause i will have less points than ppl who do legion and it wil be harder for me getting nice dragon drops like rings which are always expensive .
[...]
Sinius got a good point here.
I checked the legion drops at allakhazam a minute ago and i found out 6-7 useful drops + the str/con charge item. The rest is junkfood.
Kronos
Re: How about a DF raid?
Hornster - 29.08.2007, 15:30
and that's why I say 'DF' raid - legion isn't the only mob with good drops in DF :)
Re: How about a DF raid?
Sinius - 29.08.2007, 15:45
still its dangerous and not much atrractive, Well trained fg can kill everything in df.
Re: How about a DF raid?
Alrik - 29.08.2007, 15:52
I prefer to use the scoreboard together, but i think 10 Points for a legion raid is too high. A Raid can give 5 points or lesser for example.
Re: How about a DF raid?
Hornster - 29.08.2007, 16:26
and about drops:
if the demon queen drops are implemented, then pls repeat yourself again and declare as a zone with crap loot ^^:
http://camelot.allakhazam.com/db/search.html?cmob=12110
Re: How about a DF raid?
Kronos - 29.08.2007, 18:51
They do not seem like classic drops to me so they most certainly won't be implemented. Or do you have other statements from staff side?
Kronos
Re: How about a DF raid?
Sinius - 30.08.2007, 00:10
that mob ... i was coming back from dia kitchen today and it sudenly atacked me .. no chance of course ...
Re: How about a DF raid?
Zeteg - 30.08.2007, 01:31
I don't really feel I have great authority to speak, but I'll voice my opinion anyway: I feel that if a DF raid is done, then the two raids should indeed be different in calculating score. This is done for two main reasons:
If DF raids and Dragon raids share the same scoreboard, it may cause irritating amongst the older members who have participated in Dragon Raids, because they will feel compelled to join DF raids or else suffer less points to claim good Dragon items they may need.
Having the same scoreboard discourages new people from joining DF raids, as people with lots of dragon points will be able to claim good DF drops very easily, without spending as many points in the first few runs, as they normally may need to.
Personally, I don't really care that much about drops. Sure, having nice items is nice, but since I just started a little bit ago, pretty much anything is a nice item for me. More, I'd even join raid groups if I didn't get items, because raids are just generally fun to do, rather than solo leveling. Even at max level and max gear on other games, I usually go on raids because well... they're raids.
I also want to point out, that doing such a run can involve a variety of factors. Someone mentioned that a well organized full group could easily take out anything in DF - that may be true. Someone also mentioned that there may be Hibs or Mids there to hinder the progress. What I suggest, is that if we manage to form large parties for this, that the max level people defend the keeps, to make sure Albion has DF, and therefore, Hibs and Mids can't flood in. In the end, everyone takes a bit of the treasure, like on the Dragon raid. This makes sure that those who could use the EXP get the exp on the raids, and those with max level characters can get some RP - and everyone gets items.
I don't know what everyone else thinks, but that's my initial idea.
Re: How about a DF raid?
Hornster - 30.08.2007, 15:55
hm If the highlvl players who defend the keeps get raidpoints, it would be nice.
Re: How about a DF raid?
Riho - 01.09.2007, 18:00
It is true, Dragon raid and Legionraid points cannot be put in same pool, they must be seperate.
Reasons are obvious and mentioned allready some of you allready.
But idea is generally good, i have organized couple legion raids, it has been allways fun for me - i have never got any item cuz i toke responcibility to make auction. But i had fun - some inc, some deadly situations, lots of highlevel mobs. Real challenge!
DF raid could also involve all epic mobs - even big nasty worm dude in deep DF.
Pointsystem is not hard to manage. 10 pts every participated DF raid ( if legion is dead) if not the raid will be called failed.
Perfect would be organize DF raid, as it is in DR.
We open BG - people join BG - we close BG - if needed we take keep/keeps - and move to DF.
For that the DF raid is bit bigger doing then DR raid, because there is so many things to do first and not allways end with success.
For DR we spend aprox 1.30 hrs
For DF raid i think it takes aprox 3+ hrs
Greetz
Re: How about a DF raid?
Kronos - 02.09.2007, 00:05
So...who would be willing to help us organizing a legion raid?
Kronos
Re: How about a DF raid?
Elementos - 02.09.2007, 08:12
So, discuss the following things:
- Do you want a legion raid?
--> Yes
- Do you want it to be organized by the dragonraid management?
--> Yes
- Do you want the same scoreboard or another scoreboard?
--> Like i offered in the leaders Forum other scoreboard becaus different counts
- Which date do you want the legion raids to take place?
--> wednesday perhaps not at DR days that means not befor or after or at same time.
Re: How about a DF raid?
Hornster - 02.09.2007, 16:20
hm I am thinking about being a raid organisator....
but at first there should be some with expirience :)
Re: How about a DF raid?
Elementos - 03.09.2007, 09:16
so tell kronos you can start with beeing an DR Leader we have still times where im the only one be.
Re: How about a DF raid?
Hornster - 03.09.2007, 13:15
I don't really know if I want to be one... got to think about it >_<
Re: How about a DF raid?
CactuS - 08.09.2007, 17:18
Well legion is maybe just a challenge,not a usefull thing. In my opinion: i want to kill everything what is possible,even if only for a thropy :P But maybe we should rise the weekly dragon raid number if we don't have enough to kill Legion.What do u think about it?
Re: How about a DF raid?
Kronos - 09.09.2007, 00:47
Rising dragon raid numbers is a questionalbe thing. I tend to disagree with the idea.
Reasons:
- more raids = less people on each raid (will be so), and the raids will get a lot harder
- more raids = more points in the system for the hardcore player and so it gets harder for the 'normal' players to bid successfully for the rare items
- more raids = more leader needed. We are spread very thin even with two raids a week
So i vote against such a thing. If you wish to go on with this idea (possible - i only have an opinion - nothing more) please open a new topic.
Kronos
Re: How about a DF raid?
Hornster - 09.09.2007, 03:37
cactus, as already mentioned, legion will NOT be the only mob killed on such a raid - the princes too.
and ba'alorien for example has a nice bracer.
Re: How about a DF raid?
CactuS - 09.09.2007, 10:48
Hornster wrote:cactus, as already mentioned, legion will NOT be the only mob killed on such a raid - the princes too.
and ba'alorien for example has a nice bracer.
Kronos,yes i understand your standing-points, well maybe we could discuss it later on irc/ig :)
Hornster: Yes,but -maybe just me- don't know the other named mobs drops is correct on Uthgard.Btw i already sad maybe possible to made that like after DR if ppls want it ( and if it need another RL then it's possible.Plus also good idea to made another table to Legion or called DF raids maybe better.The question is: Ppls want to go to DF after DR - i know keeps also a possible problem-.)
Re: How about a DF raid?
Sinius - 09.09.2007, 12:21
In my opinion with more DR only lack of leaders is problem but well thats just what i think ^^
Re: How about a DF raid?
Hornster - 09.09.2007, 13:34
@cactus: and the problem with the keeps is the main reason why we shouldn't do it after DR -> if DF isn't open, we'll have to conquer at least one keep, and therefor, we have to calculate more time. And you know - killing legion, princes, princess, beliathan will take some time :)
and afaik the classical drops on mobs like beliathan etc. are correct :D
Re: How about a DF raid?
Elementos - 09.09.2007, 14:51
so i think its perhaps an weekend event where most have time and start should around afternoon.
Re: How about a DF raid?
Hornster - 16.09.2007, 14:26
ok let's go on here - yes best would be weekend
and btw: another interesting thing about a DF raid would be the seals....
I think they should be sold in packages @ auction with an amount of about 50 seals or sth like that.
Re: How about a DF raid?
Oblivion - 23.10.2007, 17:09
maybe it's a good way to just not tell when you start a DF raid, just when you have 2 keeps. If you say we do it tomorrow. a fg will just log in df with one character and try to kill you in emain with other char. If you going to hold a df raid when you just have enough players and both keeps. It will be much easier.
Another thing: you need atleast 3 fgs. That's alot of albion. So it's not unfair for other players who didn't know. With my work schedule I can almost never join DR and I bet I'm not the only one.
If you ask me, you should have separated scoreboards, because you can't match the dragon with df. It ain't the same. Yesterday we had only respecs and some jewelry as good stuff. Random 100 is so unfair.
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