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Re: History of the Native Americans
Peregrin - 30.08.2007, 23:08History of the Native Americans
I like the history most, so I like to talk about it, but it is a little hard to find the real sources and the infos that are true.
The Native American historical figures, like Sitting Bull or Geronimo etc, were my childhood heros and they always will be.
The tragic historical events of the last 500 years led to the First Nations present.
And that is a fact that the Native Americans came to the American continent many thousand years ago.
Re: History of the Native Americans
enelya06 - 31.08.2007, 00:48
I like history too - thanks for sharing that. Good to hear from you -
Re: History of the Native Americans
evenstar - 31.08.2007, 05:29
Thanks, I always enjoy learning about history, especially Native American history.
A quote I once heard that really resonated with me is that "the 'winners' write the history books", so I'm careful to take certain things with a pinch of salt. There are always two sides to every story, and the truth is usually somewhere inbetween.
Re: History of the Native Americans
newnativspirit - 31.08.2007, 09:11
I guess, the main problem is the word WRITE, cause NA people never wrote their history down ... but white people did/do. So most of the NA history that is written down was documented by the first white settlers and later on by journalists and historians.
NA people used to tell their history in stories they were telling the kids and sometimes by drawings on hides - they still love to do this and I think it´s a great way to learn about history.
I still love to ask my grandma about "the good old days" and it´s great to listen to her, cause she experienced it. She is 90 years old now and she survived two world wars - she really has stories to tell.
But let´s get back to NA history.
Re: History of the Native Americans
Peregrin - 31.08.2007, 23:08
you're welcome :)
yes, sometimes the winners say what to write in the books, but nowadays I think it is changed, at least in my country, Hungary,
and in America too.
yes, there are the winners' and the loosers' side of the story, but if we
are lucky, we have other sources, for example items, which we could use, to retell the story.
And as historians, we have to research for these other sources, and have to look both sides to decide what is the truth.
Because the loss of the written history of Native America, is that why so hard to talk about the ancient times or the middle ages of the American continent. We just have some building, items from excavations, but we still
do not know for example why the Anasazi people disappeared so quickly.
And as I see, it is hard to find what is really happened in the 1500s, 1600s years.
The story of the real Pocahontas is the example.
Maybe she was not even the daughter of the chief. But she did not married to John Smith is the truth.
Did you hear about this?
Re: History of the Native Americans
enelya06 - 01.09.2007, 04:57
Seems like I remember something about that.
Re: History of the Native Americans
newnativspirit - 01.09.2007, 08:16
I remember something like that as well, but the details are gone ... please, go on! Tell us about it !
When Virgil Ortiz had his exhibition in Holland a professor from a galery in New York was telling us about the history of the Cochiti Pueblo people and their pottery - that was soooooooooooooooooooo interesting (although it was in English - lol) I learned a lot and decided that whenever I will be in New York City I´ll go to this museum for sure. There are so many things we don´t know and to be a historian must be a wonderful job. That would have been a job for me as well - I love history and each culture does truly has a great one. You just need to take your time and learn about it.
Now back to Pocahontas ...
Re: History of the Native Americans
enelya06 - 02.09.2007, 03:31
there are times I wish I'd been a historian
Re: History of the Native Americans
Peregrin - 02.09.2007, 22:23
I've just read an article one year ago about a book about Pocahontas.
The author is: Paula Gunn Allen, and the book's title:
Pocahontas: Medicine Woman, Spy, Entrepreneur, Diplomat
Unfortunately, I did not read the book, because it is not available here
in Hungary.
But I read the article, and some reviews of the book.
There was a presentation, a lecture about it, and this is why the article was written.
The author said, John Smith lied about a lot of things.
Pocahontas maybe was not Powhatan's daughter, but I have not much info about it. She was a youth, this is why she wore a thong, told by a document. But she was very intelligent, good in languages and in diplomacy.
But she did not married to John Smith, rather John Rolfe, and became Mrs. Rebecca Rolfe when she moved to England.
The reviews says the author tells the story from the Native American perspective, which I think would be good.
So, if someone really research something could find what is not expected.
And I just read, that the 'indians' did not captured John Smith, they treated him as a friend, and then put him as the leader of Jamestown.
I hope I could do some further research of this story later.
I have to wait some more years to become an official historian, and then... :)
Re: History of the Native Americans
Peregrin - 02.09.2007, 22:39
Dee Brown says in his book, 'Bury my heart at Wounded Knee'
that the whites put Vahunsonakuk as the king of the Powhatans
and his daughter, Pocahontas was married to John Rolfe.
So it is still not clear who was Pocahontas' father, but his husband
was not John Smith is clear, and could be true.
Re: History of the Native Americans
evenstar - 03.09.2007, 04:00
newnativspirit wrote: I remember something like that as well, but the details are gone ... please, go on! Tell us about it !
When Virgil Ortiz had his exhibition in Holland a professor from a galery in New York was telling us about the history of the Cochiti Pueblo people and their pottery - that was soooooooooooooooooooo interesting (although it was in English - lol) I learned a lot and decided that whenever I will be in New York City I´ll go to this museum for sure. There are so many things we don´t know and to be a historian must be a wonderful job. That would have been a job for me as well - I love history and each culture does truly has a great one. You just need to take your time and learn about it.
Now back to Pocahontas ...
Which museum is this? I'm actually thinking of museums/galleries I would like to visit while in New York at the moment...
Re: History of the Native Americans
newnativspirit - 03.09.2007, 07:42
evenstar wrote: newnativspirit wrote: I remember something like that as well, but the details are gone ... please, go on! Tell us about it !
When Virgil Ortiz had his exhibition in Holland a professor from a galery in New York was telling us about the history of the Cochiti Pueblo people and their pottery - that was soooooooooooooooooooo interesting (although it was in English - lol) I learned a lot and decided that whenever I will be in New York City I´ll go to this museum for sure. There are so many things we don´t know and to be a historian must be a wonderful job. That would have been a job for me as well - I love history and each culture does truly has a great one. You just need to take your time and learn about it.
Now back to Pocahontas ...
Which museum is this? I'm actually thinking of museums/galleries I would like to visit while in New York at the moment...
It´s the Garth Clark Gallery in New York!
http://www.garthclark.com/artists/artists.php?id=Ortiz
Re: History of the Native Americans
evenstar - 06.09.2007, 13:07
Thanks! Let's hope I don't forget now (I'm a total space cadet these days)...
Re: History of the Native Americans
Peregrin - 28.12.2007, 15:47
long time been here, but returned :)
I saw that there could be a new book available in my city's library about Pocahontas, the real Pocahontas, but I am waiting for that since months, so I am a bit confused about that. Wait and see.
I am interested in Cherokee history now more, I will write an essay about it, and do not have too much time for other things, but I try because I am so interested.
Thanks for the link, that was useful :)
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