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Re: Two-Weapon Wielding Explained!
VincentWeynard - 29.04.2014, 15:37Two-Weapon Wielding Explained!
Aus der Dark Heresy Errata. Die Erklärungen zu Combat Talents gelten nach offizieller Aussage genau so auch für Deathwatch (Ausnahme; Hip Shooting gilt in DH nur für Pistols, in Deathwatch für alle Ranged Weapons). (Habe das auch auf mein neues Cheat Sheet zu Kampfmodifikatoren gekritzelt, siehe Kurzform).
tl,dr hat folgendes geschrieben: Kurzform:
Two-Weapon Wielding, Multiple Attacks, Hip Shooting, Charge
Without any Talents: Full Action to attack with both weapons. -20 on Main Hand, -40 on Offhand.
Ambidextrous: Full Action to attack with both weapons. -10 on Main Hand, -30 on Offhand.
Two-Weapon Wielder: Full Action to attack with both weapons. -20 on Main Hand, -20 on Offhand.
Two-Weapon Wielder + Ambidextrous: Full Action to attack with both weapons. -10 on Main Hand, -10 on Offhand.
Two-Weapon Wielder (Ballistic) + Gunslinger: Full Action to attack with both Pistols. -10 on Main Hand, -10 on Offhand.
Two-Weapon Wielder (Ballistic) + Gunslinger + Ambidextrous: Full Action to attack with both Pistols. +0 on Main Hand, +0 on Offhand.
Using a pistol and a melee weapon simultaneously requires Two-Weapon Wielder (Melee) and Two-Weapon Wielder (Ranged), otherwise you count as not having Two-Weapon Wielder at all.
Two ranged weapons can be fired at different targets, but the targets must be within 10m of each other.
Independent Targeting: Allows two ranged weapons to be fired at targets farther apart than 10m.
Swift Attack: Full Action to attack 2x with the same melee weapon.
Lightning Attack: Full Action to attack 3x with the same melee weapon.
Swift Attack + Two-Weapon Wielder (Melee): Full Action to attack 2x with one melee weapon and 1x with the other melee weapon.
Swift Attack + Two-Weapon Wielder (Ballistic and Melee): Full Action to attack 2x with a melee weapon and 1x with a pistol.
Lightning Attack + Two-Weapon Wielder (Melee): Full Action to attack 3x with one melee weapon and 1x with the other melee weapon.
Lightning Attack + Two-Weapon Wielder (Ballistic and Melee): Full Action to attack 3x with a melee weapon and 1x with a pistol.
Dual Shot / Dual Strike: Full Action to attack with both weapons. A single attack is rolled. If successful, both weapons hit. AP applies to both, TB only once to the combined damage. A single successful Dodge/Parry will avoid both hits.
Hip Shooting: Full Action to make a Full Move and a single attack with a ranged weapon.
Hip Shooting + Two-Weapon Wielder: Full Action to make a Full Move and a single attack with two ranged weapons.
Charge: Full Action to Charge an enemy and make a single melee attack. You cannot use any Talents for extra attacks when charging.
http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/dark-heresy/pdf/darkheresy-errata-v3.0.pdf hat folgendes geschrieben: Appendix I: Combat Talents
In order to effectively wield a weapon you must have the relevant
Weapon Training talent. If you do not have the relevant talent, you
suffer a –20 penalty to the attack roll.
If wielding a weapon in your off hand, you suffer a –20
penalty to the attack roll.
An attack with a melee weapon is a Half Action. An attack with a
ranged weapon is a Half Action for a single shot, and a Full Action
for a semi-auto or full-auto burst.
In melee combat, the only ranged weapons you can use are pistols.
Pistols used in melee still use Ballistic Skill, still count as ranged
weapons, and cannot benefit from any talents that are specifically
associated with melee weapons or melee attacks.
A pistol wielded in melee does not get the +30 bonus for point-
blank range. Point-blank, while stated as closer than 3 metres, does
not apply to enemies with whom you are engaged in melee. Pistols with the Scatter quality fired in melee count as being at Point-blank range, but do not recieve the +30 bonus to BS.
If you have the Two Weapon Wielder talent you can hold two
weapons, one in each hand, and can make a single attack with
each. This is a Full Action, and both attack rolls suffer a –20
penalty (your off-hand weapon does not suffer the normal –20
off-hand penalty on top of this).
If you do not have the Two Weapon Wielder talent and you wield
two weapons at the same time, you can use a Full Action to make a
single attack with each weapon. However, you suffer a –20 to the
attack roll with the weapon in your dominant hand and –40 with
the weapon in your off hand.
If you have the Ambidextrous talent and Two Weapon Wielder, the
penalty for each attack is only –10.
If you have the Ambidextrous talent but not Two
Weapon Wielder, you suffer –10 to the attack roll with
your dominant hand and –30 with your off hand.
Two Weapon Wielder can be taken either as a Melee or
Ballistic talent. You must have both talents if you wish to wield a
melee weapon in one hand and a ranged weapon in the other. If
you attempt to wield a melee and ranged weapon but do not have
both talents, you count as not having the Two Weapon Wielder
talent at all.
If wielding two ranged weapons, they can be fired at different
targets, but the targets must be within 10 metres of each other.
The Independent Targeting talent allows two ranged weapons to
be wielded and aimed at targets farther apart than 10 metres.
The Swift Attack talent allows you to make two melee attacks with
the same weapon as a Full Action.
If you have Swift Attack and Two Weapon Wielder (Melee), you get
the second attack with only one of your melee weapons,
so you will get two attacks with one weapon and a single
attack with the other. This is a Full Action.
If you have Swift Attack and Two Weapon Wielder (Ballistic and
Melee), and are armed with a pistol and a melee weapon, you can,
as a Full Action, make a single attack with the pistol and two
attacks with the melee weapon.
The Lightning Attack talent allows you to make three melee attacks
with the same weapon as a Full Action.
If you have Lightning Attack and Two Weapon Wielder (Melee),
you get the second and third attacks only with one melee weapon,
so you will get three attacks with one weapon and a single attack
with the other.
If you have Lightning Attack and Two Weapon Wielder (Ballistic
and Melee), and are armed with a pistol and a melee weapon, you
can, as a Full Action, make a single attack with the pistol and three
attacks with the melee weapon.
When using the Dual Shot talent, you can wield two pistols and
fire them both at the same time at the same target. You make a
single attack roll, and if it is successful you hit with both shots. The
target’s armour will subtract damage from both shots individually.
However, after the effect of armour has been calculated, the target
will only subtract his toughness bonus once from the combined
damage of both shots. Doing this is a Full Action.
When using the Dual Strike talent, you can wield two
melee weapons and attack the same target with both at the
same. You make a single attack roll, and if it is successful
you hit with both attacks. The target’s armour will subtract damage
from both strikes individually. However, after the effect of armour
has been calculated, the target will only subtract his toughness
bonus once from the combined damage of both strikes. Doing this
is a full action.
If you have the Gunslinger and Two Weapon Wielder (Ballistic)
talents, the penalty for wielding two pistols is only –10 to your
attack rolls, instead of –20.
If you have the Gunslinger, Ambidextrous and Two Weapon
Wielder (Ballistic) talents, you do not suffer any penalties when
wielding two pistols.
You cannot move and attack at the same time. You may make a Half
Move and a single Half Action attack on your turn, but you can
either attack then move or move then attack. If you make a Full
Move, you cannot make any attack actions.
If you have the Hip Shooting talent you can make a single attack
with a pistol while also making a Full Move action.
If you have the Hip Shooting and Two Weapon Wielder talents
and are armed with two pistols, you may make single attacks with
each weapon while also making a Full Move action.
If you make the Charge action, you make a single melee attack at
the end of the charge. You cannot gain the benefi t of any talents
that allow extra attacks when making a charge.
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