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    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Gunship - 01.06.2007, 21:53

    JU-88 from 9/KG4
    Hello!

    Can you tell me something about 9/KG4??
    I think KG4 means "Kampfgeschwader 4". But what means "9"??
    I thought 9th group, but in the KG4 there were only 4 groups.

    http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Kampfgeschwader/KG4.htm

    Maybe someone can help!

    Regards, Guni



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Roy N - 02.06.2007, 00:41


    Hi Guni

    im fairly sure its
    9/KG4 = Gruppenstab #9 of Kampfgeschwader #4. the unit was formed on 17.5.41

    Roy



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Gunship - 02.06.2007, 09:19


    Hi, Roy

    I have informations that the oncle of my grandfather was gunner in a JU-88 A1. It was marked with (5J+GT).
    He was in the 9/KG4, but he died on 10.5.1940 by a crash.
    The Unit must have existed before 17.5.41?!?


    Guni



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Roy N - 02.06.2007, 10:42


    Guni

    i see what you mean. ive looked again and 9/KG4 only flew the JU88A during 1940. it was the HE111H after that date. i will look some more.

    is this your grandfathers uncle?. Gefr F. Strada

    i think he was based at Delmenhorst at the time of his death. do you know if thats right?

    Roy



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Pathfinder - 02.06.2007, 15:22


    Hi all,

    a roman digit prior to the slash 9./KG4 means the squadron (Staffel)

    a arabian digit prior to the slash, example: III./KG4 means the group (Gruppe)


    Nils



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Gunship - 02.06.2007, 16:01


    Hi

    Yes, Franz Strada was my grandfathers uncle.
    I don't know where he was based. The JU88 crashed near "Vijfhuizen", Nederlands.

    @Nils: Thanks!



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Roy N - 02.06.2007, 16:27


    i thought that was him. the rest of the crew were taken POW. you most likely know this already

    Nils

    Cheers for the correction. of course you are right. it was late when i replied and misread the information

    Roy



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Gunship - 02.06.2007, 17:10


    yes, I also have a photo with him and the rest of the crew and another one with BF-110!?




    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Roy N - 02.06.2007, 17:45


    good photos.
    i think the planes are Dornier 17/215 or DO 217. look too big for 110s.



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Paul - 02.06.2007, 18:53


    Gefreiter Franz Strada:

    5J + GT flown by Oblt. Friedrich Karl Rinck, 26 yrs old from Stralsund Pommern (I met him a long time ago before his death at the WW2 Airwar Museum in nearby Heemskerk !!), observer 20 yrs old Gefr. Franz Strada born in Krumman Sudetengau, marconist Ofw. Wilhelm Ruther, 27 yrs old from Salzhausen/Winsen and gunner Gefr. Ferdinand Wissing 23 yrs old from Rhede.

    Their a/c was shot down by a Dutch Fokker D-XX1. I have some pictures of the crew and the a/c in a book Fliegerhorst Schiphol by Ab A. Jansen

    Gr.

    Paul

    PS: It's a small world indeed ! :D



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Roy N - 02.06.2007, 19:02


    Paul

    they were shot down in the attack on Schipol, so could not have been based there.

    Roy



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Paul - 02.06.2007, 19:18


    You're right, I just added new info and have met the pilot in the past !!



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Paul - 02.06.2007, 19:23


    They took off from Delmenhorst !



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Roy N - 02.06.2007, 19:30


    Paul

    did Karl Rinck confirm being shot down by the fokker? i have only found unconfirmed reports. i would be interested to know the truth..
    i am unfamiliar with "marconist" is that a radio operator?

    Roy



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Anonymous - 02.06.2007, 19:34


    Roy,

    He confirms being hit by a fighter and made a crashlanding. A marconist is indeed the radio operator.


    Paul



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Paul - 02.06.2007, 19:38


    Wow, I'm a guest now...



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Roy N - 02.06.2007, 19:49


    Thanks Paul

    that clears that up for me.

    Roy



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Paul - 02.06.2007, 19:55


    Roy,

    The pilot responsible for downing 5J+GT was Lt. W.N. ('Coci') Sluyter from 2 JaVa.

    Paul



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Paul - 02.06.2007, 20:02


    Franz Strada was killed by a shot in the neck...
    His remains were taken to the Nieuwe Ooster Begraafplaats (cemetery) in Amsterdam on october 22 1940 after first have been buried at Hoofddorp. At the moment he rests at the German Cemetery at Ysselstein, Holland.



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Roy N - 02.06.2007, 20:02


    Paul

    if i had known that you had this goldmine of information on the aircraft i would have stayed out of it and left it to you :)

    Roy



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Paul - 02.06.2007, 20:04


    Well Roy and others,

    I just got into it this evening....
    Like I say 'Coincidence doesn't exist !' ..at least to me anymore.



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Paul - 02.06.2007, 20:10


    Found this on the Ysselstein Cemetery...

    http://www.homepages.hetnet.nl/~pa3geg/CemYsselstein.htm



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Paul - 02.06.2007, 20:14


    And:

    http://www.volksbund.de/kgs/land.asp?Land=99051



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Gunship - 02.06.2007, 20:17


    Hi! Thanks @all!
    I also have pictures of the grave and the shown cemetery.
    Can you please make some photos of the pictures you have?



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Paul - 02.06.2007, 20:26


    Guni,

    From this book there is a copyright....So maybe I can call the writer for his permission as copyright still is a hot item...


    Paul



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Gunship - 02.06.2007, 20:34


    I thought you have private photos!
    Which book is it?

    Guni



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Paul - 02.06.2007, 20:38


    Guni,

    Part 1 of the trilogy 'Fliegerhorst Schiphol, onze nationale luchthaven in bezettingstijd' * In het offensief by Ab A. Jansen

    Published in 1996 by De Bataafse Leeuw Amsterdam
    ISBN 90.6707.367.9

    A collectors item !!



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Roy N - 02.06.2007, 21:07


    Guni

    sorry i hijacked your post. its gone a long way from your simple question "what is 9/KG4". i found it of interest tho 8)

    Roy



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Gunship - 02.06.2007, 23:02


    Thanks Paul!

    Yes Roy, it's realy gone a long way. I hope it's interesting for the others too... :roll:

    Guni

    P.S.: How can I find out, if the other two crew members are still alive?



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Paul - 03.06.2007, 22:17


    Nils,

    Do you know of a way to find out on these two?

    Grüsse,

    Paul



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Pathfinder - 03.06.2007, 22:25


    ...

    the only one idea I have is, to ask the WASt (Deutsche Dienststelle) in Berlin. Here are all documents of german soldiers of WWII archived.

    Here the link to the WASt: http://www.dd-wast.de/

    I have ask here for the data of my grandfather. After eight weeks I have received the documents...
    All documents who was saved during and after the war are here available :wave:

    Nils



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Gunship - 05.06.2007, 17:58


    Hi!
    I also sent a mail to the WASt. Now i have to wait...
    I hope that there are some documents of Strada...

    Lukas



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Roy N - 05.06.2007, 18:05


    Lukas

    i wish you luck :cool:

    have you tried looking for information on the LEMB? its only for Luftwaffe things. many people who have lots of knowledge there.
    you have to register but i think its worth it. i am a member there.
    http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/forums/index.php?

    Roy



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Gunship - 05.06.2007, 18:20


    :D Thanks Roy!



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Roy N - 07.07.2007, 13:33


    Lukas,

    have you any news from WASt yet?
    let us know if you get any more information

    Roy



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Gunship - 08.07.2007, 18:14


    Hi Roy!
    They wrote, that they need the birth certificate or something like that...
    But I don't have such things. :sad:
    Maybe they give me the information without that...

    Lukas



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Roy N - 08.07.2007, 18:29


    Lukas

    in England
    we can apply for old birth certificates. perhaps its the same for you.?

    Roy



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Gunship - 08.07.2007, 18:54


    Hi Roy,
    I don't know. But I've another problem.
    Strada was born in Krummau, Czech Republic. So I must apply there...

    Lukas



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Roy N - 08.07.2007, 18:56


    Ahh, that could make things difficult :sad:

    keep letting us know how you are getting on with it :cool:

    Roy



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Gunship - 08.07.2007, 20:35


    ok, I let you know when I have more informations.

    Regards, Lukas



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Anonymous - 10.10.2007, 21:46


    Hi all!
    I've got another question, especially to Paul!
    Do you know, if Strada was first in KG 3, and if he came later to Rinck?
    Someone have a uniform of a Franz Strada, but it's from KG3. It must be a big coincidence (is it the right word?), when there are 2 Gefreite Franz Strada!?

    Regards, Lukas



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Paul - 10.10.2007, 23:14


    Hallo Lukas,

    Have to reread the book again, hopefully something comes up ! I'll get back to you.

    Grüsse,

    Paul



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Gunship - 11.10.2007, 15:18


    Hallo Paul!

    Thank you very much!!!

    Lukas



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Paul - 12.10.2007, 20:31


    Lukas,

    There is no mentioning of him being with KG3...sorry.


    Gr.

    Paul



    Re: JU-88 from 9/KG4

    Gunship - 12.10.2007, 21:41


    Hi Paul!

    Thanks a lot for looking for it!!

    Lukas



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