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    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    WNF - 07.03.2007, 18:49

    B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008
    Hallo Gemeinde!

    Ein bekannter hat so wie es aussieht eine US Absturzstelle gefunden und das ohne Sonde!
    Habe mal die ersten Bilder der Teile!
    Am Freitag schnappe ich mir die Sonde und schau mir das auch mal an!

    Es gibt ne menge aufgeplatzer cal.50bmg Hülsen + Gurtglieder, einen haufen Aluzeugs, eine Gewehrkolbenkappe lag dabei, dann noch 2 Fallschirmauslösegriffe wie sie vom T5 und T10R Brustschirm bekannt sind ... uvw ... wie gesagt weitere Bilder folgen am Wochenende!

    Hier mal die ersten kleinen Teile

    _____________________________________

    More partpicture´s will follow this Weekend ....



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Paul - 07.03.2007, 20:55


    WNF,

    32 would indicate a B-24 !

    Gr.

    Paul



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    WNF - 08.03.2007, 17:41


    Paul wrote: WNF,

    32 would indicate a B-24 !

    Gr.

    Paul

    thank you for the fist information! there are more parts, but at the moment the weather is the problem!! There where found T5 Parachute Parts, Weappon Parts ...... if the weather will be better i will make more pictures from the other parts !!!!

    oh my god, my english is horroble :)



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Roy N - 09.03.2007, 22:38


    your English is ok. we can understand what you mean. its better than my German :oops: :lol:
    Roy



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Paul - 09.03.2007, 23:32


    WNF,

    Roy is right ! I can speak German (learned it at school) but I don't dare to write it..

    Gr.

    Paul



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    WNF - 12.03.2007, 17:40


    I have new Information about the B24 !!

    here is the picture of the Parachute Part


    It looks like the Plane: B24D from the 44. Bombergroup 67th Sqadron, Serial number: 41-23918 with the Name "Marcia Ann", Pilot: 2nd Lt. George Bronstein, 8 Killed in Action, 2 Prisoners of War, Missing Air Crew Report 2806, Hit by German Flak! The Plane was on the Way to the Airframe Plant for Messerschmitts in Wiener Neustadt, Austria! (WNF)



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Paul - 12.03.2007, 18:10


    WNF,

    Can you give me the crewlist for this a/c?


    Paul



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    WNF - 12.03.2007, 18:26


    Paul wrote: WNF,

    Can you give me the crewlist for this a/c?


    Paul

    sorry, but at the monet i have no crewlist ...



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Paul - 12.03.2007, 20:13


    WNF,

    I'm trying it through the armyairforces board..

    Gr.

    Paul



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Paul - 13.03.2007, 17:00


    WNF,

    Just received the crew information at:

    http://www.armyairforces.com/forum/m_117162/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#117201

    "The bodies of Bronstein, Berkstresser and Mansfield were never recovered and they are commemorated on the Wall of the Missing at Florence, Italy."

    Be careful going to that crashsite. It might there could be still remains....




    Gr.

    Paul



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    WNF - 13.03.2007, 17:26


    Paul wrote: WNF,

    Just received the crew information at:

    http://www.armyairforces.com/forum/m_117162/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#117201

    "The bodies of Bronstein, Berkstresser and Mansfield were never recovered and they are commemorated on the Wall of the Missing at Florence, Italy."

    Be careful going to that crashsite. It might there could be still remains....




    Gr.

    Paul


    :shock: wow, thanks for the information !!



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    WNF - 13.03.2007, 18:47


    a new part was found today !!!

    one .50bmg part !!!




    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    WNF - 16.03.2007, 19:32


    new parts where found !!!

    the first part looks like a "Pitot Tube"
    can someone identify the other Parts!?
    The last 3 pictures look like the Part from the .50maschine gun where the ammount is "running" (feed tray !?) i dont know the english word .. Sorry :)



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Paul - 16.03.2007, 20:55


    Salem Sylvania Electric Products Inc tungsten rod and compounds tungsten rod and compounds from http://www.heritageresearch.com/War%20Facilities3.html#MA

    Paul



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    WNF - 17.03.2007, 16:07


    New Day, New Parts ....

    We found a armyboot part from a Soldier !!


    Gun part


    Type Plate


    Uniform / Parachute-bag Parts and Plastik Parts !?!?


    Cockpit Parts ?


    Bomb Hocks ??


    and Unknwon marked parts !? "Consilated Aircraft"


    Okular?



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Paul - 17.03.2007, 18:23


    WNF,

    Great findings ! In case you come up any human remains you'd better stop it at once and notify the proper authorities....

    Paul



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    WNF - 17.03.2007, 19:04


    Paul wrote: WNF,

    Great findings ! In case you come up any human remains you'd better stop it at once and notify the proper authorities....

    Paul

    i hope i will never find human remains!
    but when i find the graves from the lost soldiers i will call the "Austrian Black Cross" they will take the soldiers "Home" !!!!

    All the Parts where found on 3x3 meter Areal! it takes a lot of time to search the other places.



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Roy N - 17.03.2007, 20:21


    WNF
    if is this is an American Aircraft, i would suggest you contact the U.S. Joint POW/MIA Accounting Commision. JPAC. they do good work recovering and identifying U.S servicemen.
    attached is a link to their website, where you will see a form for reporting any finds of human remains.
    http://www.jpac.pacom.mil/JPACsitereportform.pdf

    Good Hunting
    Roy



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Paul - 18.03.2007, 00:12


    I would suggest contacting the U.S Army Mortuary Affairs in Landstuhl Germany first in such a case...
    Having a contact in the U.S. Army I can get you their address if needed.

    Do you have a picture/description of the part of the boot?

    Paul



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Paul - 18.03.2007, 00:35


    Judging picture 4 the square plates seems to be of one of the crewmembers flakvests...

    Paul



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Pathfinder - 18.03.2007, 01:17


    The plate "Dynamotor DM-32-A" is the plate from AFT Radio Equipment, used also on B-17G



    The small oval parts on the photo in the middle "Uniform / Parachute-bag Parts and Plastik Parts !?!? " must be from map-case. I have found the same closure on crash sites of british a/c.

    The hook came from bomb rack, 10 hooks per bomb rack, 40 hooks was used.


    Nils



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Roy N - 18.03.2007, 17:15


    the plates in picture 4 are from the flak vest. i have some of the same.
    the smaller fasteners with "lift dot" are also from the flak vest. they are the fasteners for the shoulder. you can see them and the plates in the photo

    you are right, that is part or the ammo feed for a 50cal.

    Consolidated was the name of the company that designed the B24

    Roy



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Pathfinder - 18.03.2007, 20:12


    Here a scan from B-24H part list of the "Pitot" - tube; but the part number her is "2786A" and have the name "Tube - Airspeed Type D-1"


    Regards
    Nils



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    WNF - 18.03.2007, 21:38


    thansk allot for the perfect Information´s!!!!



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Paul - 22.03.2007, 20:57


    WNF,

    Any information from the found bootpart available?

    Gr.

    Paul



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    AAIR - 23.03.2007, 03:59

    Okular?
    Hi WNF,

    The photos of the part you have titled "Okular?" are from the bomb sight. I found an identical one at a B-17F site in California, USA. It was not as cracked as yours and when you looked through it just right you could see the cross hairs (the X) of the bomb sight.
    Cheers,

    Craig



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    AAIR - 23.03.2007, 04:04

    Human Remains
    WNF,

    By the way on the issue of human remains, here is a post from JPAC concerning a similar incident in France that I was involved with, obviously it you would want to contact the U.S. Embassy Defense Attache in your country rather than France.
    *************************************

    Any possible site or remains associated with U.S. service members should be reported directly to JPAC. This will allow us to coordinate with local officials and the French government to protect the site and to get a JPAC investigation/recovery team to the site to conduct a forensic operation to recover the remains. If the remains are already out of the ground the information should be reported to both JPAC using the contact information below, and the U.S. Embassy Defense Attache office in Paris. parisdao@state.gov

    Please let me know if you have any questions or information that may be of assistance as we are currently planning for upcoming missions to Europe.

    Kind regards,

    Chris McDermott

    Christopher McDermott M.A., M.Phil.
    Historian - WWII
    J2 - Intelligence Directorate
    Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command
    310 Worchester Ave, Bldg 45
    Hickam AFB, HI 96853-5530



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    WNF - 23.03.2007, 19:07


    thanks again for the information´s

    at the moment we got troubles with the "Forrest Ranger" and the "Forrest Owner" (right word in english?) :) so we can not go to the place back ... i think we fount just the "Cockpit Place"

    i hope we can back in 1 month to search again!
    We meet old persons who have pictures from the burning plane after the crash!!! but they dont sell it to me :(

    they have told the B24 was burning 3 day´s !?!?!

    if i get new information´s for you i will write it !!!



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    WNF - 11.04.2007, 18:47


    We found new parts, and one coint from "Agypt 1917", i thinks its from the Airport in Afrika where the Plane´s are started.

    Here are the Intresing parts:




    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Roy N - 11.04.2007, 19:17


    what does zundkerze mean ?

    it looks like a spark plug to me

    Roy



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Pathfinder - 11.04.2007, 19:21


    Hi Paul !

    Very interesting parts !
    I think this must be parts from engine.
    Some of this I can identify;

    1. The writing "ALCOA" means the manufacturer "Aluminium Coorporation of America"

    2. "Zündkerze" (Spark plug) looks like as a spark plug

    3. Little part with writing "LIFT THE DOT" came from a flakwest


    Regards
    Nils



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    WNF - 11.04.2007, 19:31


    hi, sorry but i just know the german word "Zündkerze" :) but pathfinder has help me to translate ;) Danke !!!

    Danke wieder für die erste Identifizierung! von den knöpfen liegen echt viele herum, aber am meisten finden wir immer die cal.50bmg gurtglieder ineinander gerostet ... dort hat es wohl heftig gebumst :)



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Paul - 17.04.2007, 21:13


    WNF,

    Can you please update us to this crashsite as no forrester can stand inbetween if we still might have some MIA here...

    Gr.

    Paul



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    WNF - 17.04.2007, 21:27


    Paul wrote: WNF,

    Can you please update us to this crashsite as no forrester can stand inbetween if we still might have some MIA here...

    Gr.

    Paul

    at the moment there where not found intresting or human personal items ... i allways will update if we fond new things, i have to drive 45min. with the car an i have to go 15min. to the crashplace so i can only drive there on the weekend when i have time.

    i heard that in the year 1970 a US team was search for the crashside, but they dont find this place, because the forrestowner make a lot of troubles!!! i also have troubles with him, so i must search carefull !!! the US team wants to make a "remember plate" but the forrestowner dont want it !!!

    Sorry my bad english! i hope you understand me :)



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Paul - 18.04.2007, 14:49


    WNF,

    The presence of a U.S. Team makes me think of a JPAC or CILHI team (at that time) which would indicate they were searching for MIA....
    Roy, what is your opinion?

    Gr.

    Paul



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Pathfinder - 18.04.2007, 15:31


    Hi all,

    I don´t know the legal situation in Austria. When the owner didn´t allowed to research the crash site, it is a problem !

    Perhaps the owner have something to burrow...
    The best way is for WMF to make a contact to JPAC and send them the coordinates of the crash site. Maybe JPAC, or the American embassy find a way to search on the crash site.

    In Germany is the legal situation, when the owner say "No", it is no way to research :roll:


    Regards
    Nils



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    WNF - 18.04.2007, 15:45


    Pathfinder wrote:
    In Germany is the legal situation, when the owner say "No", it is no way to research :roll:


    yes, in Austria we have the same problem!!

    but if somerwhere find "MIA Human Relicts" so the law will change, and the forrest owner will get a problem, then will come the "Black Cross" (http://www.osk.at/ ) and will search the complete area



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Paul - 18.04.2007, 16:43


    In Holland it's different when human remains are found even when an owner says no...
    The police will be called and the Grave Service Team of the army will be notified in cooperation with the Air Force Salvage Group in case of a crashed aircraft.



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Pathfinder - 18.04.2007, 16:58


    The problem of WMF is now, he didn´t found human remains.
    When some of this crew member are missing, I think JPAC would be research on this crash site.
    When the crash site is into a forest it is probably to found human remain in the upper area of the ground. This location can be a very great extent...
    It is often a "virgin terrain".



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Anonymous - 18.04.2007, 18:26


    Maybe WNF can get some confirmation on the U.S. Team that went there...
    Fact is that still 2 crewmembers are listed as MIA and if this was a recovery team which didn't find the proper spot in those years I'm pretty sure JPAC would be interested !

    Paul



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Roy N - 18.04.2007, 18:35


    Paul,
    it sounds strange to me that there is no law to allow a search for remains. here in the UK the police would have to be called. however, most UK wrecks are well known and this is rare
    it is illegal to dig crashsites in Britain without a Government permit. all sites with remains are listed as war graves and its impossible to get a licence. other crash sites with no remains are still protected by law.
    JPAC have been allowed to conduct searches here but they are the exception.
    if the Americans have been looking in the area at some time then they must have records of it.
    i think that JPAC could be contacted but they will need to know that remains are present before they will take any action.
    Roy



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Paul - 18.04.2007, 18:43


    Roy,

    You're right ! I don't understand the laws in Austria and Germany either. Over here no permits are given. Individual groups would stop their work at once when remains are found and notify the officials.
    Not 2 but 3 crewmembers are MIA. That's why I was interested in the finding of the part of a shoe....It could be that remains were buried close by shortly after the crash. Maybe WNF can check for any possible witnesses.

    Regards,

    Paul



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    WNF - 18.04.2007, 18:54


    Roy N wrote:
    i think that JPAC could be contacted but they will need to know that remains are present before they will take any action.
    Roy

    yes, thats it.

    if i get new information´s for you, i will write it !!!



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Paul - 19.04.2007, 23:09


    Just did another crew check on the ABMC site and noticed we have 4 MIA as SSgt Joe Mansfield is listed as a MIA too...



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Pathfinder - 23.04.2007, 21:28


    The hook was installed on the bomb rack and have the part number "AC33A6180" and "AC33A6180-1"

    On the diagram you can see (with red points) the locations on the rack.
    (Notice: only marked the hooks which could be see on the diagram)
    Installed was five hooks per rack.

    Nils







    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    MUCKS - 04.05.2007, 00:36

    TWO RINGS TOP RIGHT RIGHT OF IMAGE FLAK JACKET PLATES AND ST
    WNF.
    The picture with the flak jacket squares and press studs.
    The other two rings in the picture, top right are......
    The larger ring which I guess will be be tappered on the inside and threaded on the out side, is either a inlet or exhaust valve seat .They were screwed into the cyl heads as they would not drop out of the head when engine was at working temp as alloy exspands quicker than hardened steel.
    The smaller ring is the valve springs top retaining cap, which would have two valve collets fitted to the inside of ring and retained in a groove in the top of the valve stem and would keep the springs under tension.To confirm this look at the above mailing for( B24D CYL HEAD) look above the springs and you will see your RING with the two collets. The picture of the head has one of the valves missing that came adrift on inpact but in the casting there is what is left of the thread that YOUR seat would have screwed into. Hope this helps. Martin ( mucks)



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Roy N - 04.05.2007, 14:37


    Martin

    good hit!!.
    i ive worked on many engines, i should have spotted the valve spring retainer.

    Roy



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    WNF - 04.05.2007, 16:02


    Martin, thanks for your Information!!



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    SFC Keay - 25.05.2007, 17:17

    WNF, ich brauche eine gute Kontakt...
    addresse fuer dich mit Telefonnummer bitte! JPAC in Hawaii hat mich fuer diese Info gebeten. Du kannst mir die info zuemailen oder mich unter +49-172-6249906 anrufen. Danke, Danny



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    micky - 25.05.2007, 17:45

    SMG aboard?
    Hi, the "gun part" look like a Tommy gun buttstock (Thompson). I have also seen the bomb rack hooks in another B-24 crash site.

    cheers

    Mick



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Paul - 25.05.2007, 21:20


    Hi Danny,

    In Belgium now for Memorial Day tomorrow. Wazzup....did JPAC ask you? :roll:

    Regards,

    Paul



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    SFC Keay - 27.05.2007, 20:40


    Paul, going to Ardennes Mil Cemetery tomorrow for Merorial Day, Danny
    P.S. Yup, JPAC asked :)



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Paul - 28.05.2007, 08:03


    Danny,

    Ariane and I will say hello to the AWON group around 10.30 there !



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Paul - 03.06.2007, 21:09


    WNF,

    Did you already get in touch with Danny?


    Paul



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    WNF - 29.06.2007, 18:27


    i was there again today for one hour, we found allways the same , but the best found tody was this "goggle´s" and a leathershoe part and a part of a Pilot vest "TALON"

    we also fount a place with very black earth and inside there are a lot of engine parts, i think a engine was burning there ... Pictrure No.3 !!!! the .50bmg ammo i leave there, it´s just "shit" for me ....



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Paul - 29.06.2007, 19:01


    WNF,

    Seeing these crew related items brings me back to my previous question contacting Danny....Are you in touch?

    Gr

    Paul



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    WNF - 29.06.2007, 19:06


    Paul wrote: WNF,

    Seeing these crew related items brings me back to my previous question contacting Danny....Are you in touch?

    Gr

    Paul

    at the moment i dont contact danny ...

    who (where) is danny ?



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Pathfinder - 29.06.2007, 19:13


    ...you think "where" is Danny ;-)

    Its possible that Danny is in Norway this time...


    regards
    Nils



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    WNF - 29.06.2007, 19:15


    Pathfinder wrote: ...you think "where" is Danny ;-)

    Its possible that Danny is in Norway this time...


    regards
    Nils

    oh, yes, thank you :)

    wer ist denn dieser "danny" ?



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Paul - 29.06.2007, 19:16


    WNF,

    This is an earlier message from Danny to you..Danny is very active in the MIA recovery scene and he's one of our members too.

    SFC Keay



    Gender:
    Joined: 25 May 2007
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    Posted: 25.05.2007, 18:17 Post subject: WNF, ich brauche eine gute Kontakt...

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    addresse fuer dich mit Telefonnummer bitte! JPAC in Hawaii hat mich fuer diese Info gebeten. Du kannst mir die info zuemailen oder mich unter +49-172-6249906 anrufen. Danke, Danny



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Roy N - 29.06.2007, 19:23


    Hi Mig man :cool:

    JPAC are interested in your find. they have asked Danny to contact you about this. it could help you get permission to search the place if they are involved.

    Roy



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Paul - 29.06.2007, 19:45


    Thanks Roy ! :cool:



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Paul - 29.06.2007, 19:51


    The Talon zipper and the item(s) left of it, the throat clasps, are from an A-2 flight jacket !! And I notice 2 pair of them still closed....

    http://www.acmedepot.com/a2jacket/a2detail.html

    Paul



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    WNF - 06.11.2007, 17:48


    my friend found a new part .. it´s a switch box for ... ?



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    WNF - 22.02.2008, 17:07


    .. my partner was on the crashside again, and found this wonderfull typplate from the Propeller !!!!!

    Now we will go to the crashside again if we have more time and look for new parts!

    Can enyone tell something about the Serial Number from the Propeller? Is it realy the B24 S/N: 41-23918 ???



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    WNF - 23.02.2008, 16:36


    New parts from Today ...



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Roy N - 23.02.2008, 20:55


    the ammo looks like 303? not .50?. are you sure this is a USAAF B24.?
    i think some RAF Liberators used 303 cal.
    ive no idea what the yale lock would be for

    Roy



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Pathfinder - 23.02.2008, 22:26


    I´m wondering about the .303 ammunition too...

    The "D" from the part number means the Cowling contruction,
    the "W" means the Wing construction ;)

    The broken glass could be from the tail gunners windows, I mean to know
    this is not made of Plexiglas :roll:

    Regards

    Nils



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    MUCKS - 23.02.2008, 23:26


    Roy.
    Only a thought the yale lock is that british manufacture only? if so then it has to be a RAF B24.
    Martin



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Roy N - 24.02.2008, 00:47


    Martin,
    Yale are an American company. ive checked.
    i wonder what would be locked up on a bomber. i cannot think of anything.

    Roy



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    WNF - 24.02.2008, 01:31


    thanks for answering!

    the glass is not plexi its real glass !
    and yes its .303 ammunition, but i found a lot of cal.50 to on the place too.
    last year i found there a part from a springfield gun and this gun have .303 ammo so i think it was a handgunweapon from a solider!

    in my list there are on this place 2 bombers, both are from the USAAF and at this time i just found this place

    :n66:



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    ceck68 - 25.02.2008, 07:03


    Hi WNF,
    you seem to have the same problem I have:
    I also found .303 at the crashsite of "Suzan Jane", and it is sure that SJ was a plan of the USAF
    Nobody was able to help me.....
    Take a look:http://b24bw.proboards33.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=B24Aircraft&thread=1141133324&page=1#1172555222



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    WNF - 25.02.2008, 18:26


    i found last year the backside of a M1903 springfield on the crashsite, so i think this .303 ammo is from this gun .. it was tkane form a soldier on board



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Pathfinder - 13.10.2008, 17:17


    Roy N wrote: the plates in picture 4 are from the flak vest. i have some of the same.
    the smaller fasteners with "lift dot" are also from the flak vest. they are the fasteners for the shoulder. you can see them and the plates in the photo

    Roy




    Hi all,

    the plates was also used on the bag of the tail guns.
    I´m not if they have the same dimension, but I think the plates from the bags are larger.


    Regards
    Nils



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    MUCKS - 13.10.2008, 22:52


    Hi All.
    Funny that rifle parts are being recovered from crash sites.
    On the PBY that i'm researching I also recovered from my crash site a single bolt action rifle butt that I cannot ID.One of the perished passangers that was hitching a lift back to the USA was a Army person but everybody that has seen the butt agree that it is a sport rifle for shooting rabbits etc not milatery issue.
    If anybody is interested will send a pic for you all to veiw!!
    Regards Martin



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    Pathfinder - 13.10.2008, 23:18




    This cartridge base indicated, that this ammunition exploded of the head from outside (fire). the missing percussion cap is a indicator for this.
    I have found hundrets of catridges with missing percussion caps only on crash sites.

    Regards
    Nils



    Re: B24 parts from a Crash S/N: 41-23918 (?) - Update 23.02.2008

    WNF - 24.06.2010, 21:18


    Today the JPAC Team visit the crashplace with my friend.
    it was not dug there. We will keep the kontakt.



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