Will you make this map with AI some day? and for nook,...

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    Re: Will you make this map with AI some day? and for nook,...

    V I O L A D O R - 28.02.2007, 04:55

    Will you make this map with AI some day? and for nook,...
    Hi to all,... i am sad because i can´t get the original version of Warcraft III and play with you.

    So ,.. i ask to all of you,.. the creators of this Forum and this map,.. if some day you will make this map with AI,... yeah¡,.. because for the guys like me, that don´t have enough friends to play this map,... so one solution will be that this map be with AI.

    Well,... i suppose that a lot of dudes made this question before me,... i hope you will do it. :)


    And,.... and for nook the next situations that in Gamenet Server the players have opinions:


    First situation,... the heroes,.. when i chose a hero i suppose that my heroe was from Clan Takeda,... but when i saw the enemy heroes of Clan Asai,.. i said "what,... all the heroes are for anyclan",... your map is an excellent one,... but we like the difference,... so you may try do different heroes for the Clans,.. maybe the ones now only for the Clan Takeda,.. and for the Clan Asai other ones,... that you will make maybe in th future. And the problem is ,... when i show your map to new someone,.. this someone don´t like to see the same heroes,.. and this situation do that only few players like to play this map.

    Second situation,... the teleportation items,.. the map is so big,.. but i someone is in one side of the map,... can use the teleportation to be in the other side easily,.. but the problem is,... the space,.. i bought three telaporatation items but i can´t put these ones in only one space,.. the three use three spaces of my itinerary that i use to put the special weapons.

    Third situation,... it very useful the little map,... anyone can see in it,.. the ubication of the heroes,.. with red big points,... but ... it doesn´t exist some alarm when are attacking the enemy units our buildings?,.. so these situation is bad,.. because the new people that play your map don´t like it. So please do something ,...


    well,.. maybe you can try enter to the mexican Server and play this map,.. your map,.. with us,... for anything,.. you can send me an email to taakj@hotmail.com

    GREETINGS ... ... Where are you from nook? ...



    Re: Will you make this map with AI some day? and for nook,...

    wizard.dark - 28.02.2007, 05:15


    OOOOoo boy....



    Re: Will you make this map with AI some day? and for nook,...

    Lyncor - 28.02.2007, 07:58


    Oh man.

    If you were to read the forum, you'd see that these things have already been suggested and shot down.

    ... thanks for the thought, though.



    Re: Will you make this map with AI some day? and for nook,...

    Viziroth - 28.02.2007, 11:11


    I told you we shoulda made my not dota topic sticky =P lol



    Re: Will you make this map with AI some day? and for nook,...

    Forbidden - 28.02.2007, 12:33


    Umm I don't recall the DotA topic having talk about the AI versions...maybe I just remember wrong, but yeah AI version has been discussed already and the answer was a clear "NO".

    I believe you are talking about teleport scrolls? If you find carrying 3 of them to take too many item slots then try using a Shrine of Calling.

    The issue with same heroes for both teams...It's not that we wouldn't like to see teams with different heroes, but it can't be done at the moment. The filesize of this map is already extremely large. If nooK were to replace the other teams heroes with new ones, the filesize would go up significantly. It would also require alot of tinkering to balance the teams with completely new heroes.

    Why is it that you are unable to get the official version of Warcraft III? No money? Or they don't sell it around there?



    Re: Will you make this map with AI some day? and for nook,...

    tegeus-Cromis - 28.02.2007, 18:45


    Regarding the teams, I think it would be really pointless having separate heroes for both teams. Balance problems aside, I'm willing to bet that the moment you introduce such a thing, you'll have people demanding an -ap feature. :P



    Re: Will you make this map with AI some day? and for nook,...

    Viziroth - 28.02.2007, 20:19


    The topic mentioned it breifly, most as, you won't get better unless you play actually ppl and AI can't be made to play the game correctly.



    Re: Will you make this map with AI some day? and for nook,...

    Forbidden - 28.02.2007, 21:05


    Vizi, remember that VIOLADOR is different from the people that were crying for AI versions before: He would play on the net if he could, but he can't. The ones that cried for it before were able to play on the net but just didn't want to do so for some untold reason.



    Re: Will you make this map with AI some day? and for nook,...

    Lyncor - 28.02.2007, 22:24


    I would not like different heroes on the different sides at all.



    Re: Will you make this map with AI some day? and for nook,...

    wizard.dark - 01.03.2007, 15:56


    I was thinking why not (after Nook releases at least 12 heros),there should be a combined circle of heros so everyone has to pick from 1.That way theres no balance issues and noone can complain about 1 side been better then the other with more imba heros.Also i personaly dont like the fact that theres same type of heros on both sides although iv learned to put up with it for quite a long time now.But thats just my sugestion.



    Re: Will you make this map with AI some day? and for nook,...

    V I O L A D O R - 01.03.2007, 20:56

    WAW cool for me a lot opinions
    Thanks Forbidden ,.. i will use Shrine of Calliing, but it is more useful have threee or more teleport scrolls in only one place... and yeah,... i can´t buy the original game yet,... but maybe in two months, it is not expensive but i am losing my money in other things easily.

    Well about differrent heroes,... yes the size of the map will be bigger if nook put more heroes,.. but maybe he would change the map; from 4 corridors to 3 or 2 corridors,... this map will be more useful with 2 Corridors with different wave units,... and the balanced,... any map that take changes or is making never will be balanced as all.

    And in this moment the balanced of the heroes is not good,... there are heroes more powerfull than others at the beggining of any game,... at the end of the game all the heroes have 20 level,.. but the strengh heroes are more powerfull than the others.

    And the idea of AI,.. the same change the map with 3 or 2 Corridors for the problem of the size map,... and i can play this map online,... in the mexican Server Gamenet,.. but the people that play in it,... don´t like play this map at all,.. prefer dota,... and i like but i hate too the dota men : ) ...

    Well,.. my MSN email is taakj@hotmail.com maybe some of you like to add me :)

    GREETINGS



    Re: Will you make this map with AI some day? and for nook,...

    Lyncor - 01.03.2007, 23:29


    wizard.dark wrote: I was thinking why not (after Nook releases at least 12 heros),there should be a combined circle of heros so everyone has to pick from 1.That way theres no balance issues and noone can complain about 1 side been better then the other with more imba heros.

    Umm... your logic doesn't work. In such a setup, whoever picked the more imba heroes first would have more imba heroes on their team and thus there would be an imbalance.


    Besides, same hero battles are one of the most fun things in SL. It's where true skill gets shown.



    Re: Will you make this map with AI some day? and for nook,...

    Viziroth - 02.03.2007, 05:53


    What are you playing on that you can't get on B.net any way?

    Also, the 4 lanes is what make SL, SL ^.^ that and the skill based combat, and gameplay not focused on items.

    Also, having different heros on each team just wouldn't be good, cuz as some1 else stated pppl would want an ap function anyway, and it'd make the file size way too big, and balencing issuses, and sheer volume of heros currently and that would be require are factors.

    We're sorry you can't play on B.net currently, but instead of asking for a AI version...maybe you should just save up for the game, chances are that the AI will either b A) crappy or B) not be finished until you get the game anyway.



    Re: Will you make this map with AI some day? and for nook,...

    Vulkarus - 05.03.2007, 22:59


    People just don't understand how much goes into a decent AI, for each character it may take 100-2000 lines of code (depending on how good the AI is and the variety of ways the spells can be used).

    nook definatly doesn't have the time, and i doubt he would want to waste it, i'm bored... i could do it. However, odds are he doesn't want me taking a peek on the inside of his map.



    Re: Will you make this map with AI some day? and for nook,...

    Lyncor - 05.03.2007, 23:57


    Odds are that even if you were able to write extremely good AI, it still wouldn't come close to facing a real skilled opponent.

    Sure, you could use movement-prediction subroutines for aiming Flying Death and other such skills. It would be hard, but if you were skilled enough, you could do it. Even then, it wouldn't be perfect. All it would take is a few games for a player to learn how to exploit the AI, no matter how good.

    Then there's the matter of strategy. AI players would not have the same cunning as real players - they'd be locked down into specific strategies, which once learned could easily be exploited.


    It's just not the same.



    Re: Will you make this map with AI some day? and for nook,...

    tegeus-Cromis - 06.03.2007, 13:55


    VIOLADOR: Quote: And in this moment the balanced of the heroes is not good,... there are heroes more powerfull than others at the beggining of any game,... at the end of the game all the heroes have 20 level,.. but the strengh heroes are more powerfull than the others.

    I'm not saying SL is perfectly balanced at the moment, but the fact that some heroes are stronger early on and some are stronger later is not evidence of imbalance. In fact, it is a form of balance.

    Lyncor: I don't think anyone expects it to be the same, just a tolerable facsimile of it. As I posted on the other thread, though, I agree that even a tolerable copy would be impractical to achieve.



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