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Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]Doeschi - 21.12.2006, 01:41iCTF vs. iDM ??
Why am I join a iCTF server? To play iCTF.
But what do I see a lot lately? iDM.
I also see it a lot from some of you guys. Well, I know, a +100 fragrate looks so damn sweet and makes you look so sexy but still when loosing the game while you completely ignoring the flag and you do just some invisible camping somewhere fragging like hell can be very frustrating and annoying for your teammates. So, please, lets get back to the game, which is called capture the flag.
iBR died because of everyone strated fragging only instead of trying to make a nice mix with bomb passing, shooting and scoring.
When you want to compare fragrates, join a iDM server, where you really can compare the numbers, because there it's fair for everyone.
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
ZanaSoul - 21.12.2006, 03:08
It all depends on the team you have too, i agree fagging only makes it less fun (and in our case spawnkilling at faw) not so nice!!!
But with a good team that understand the meaning of ctf its never any problem less fragging and more teamwork to get the flag.
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]SPRODA - 21.12.2006, 08:14agree
yeah, true, and it`s can be quite annoying sometimes. Like
ZANa says , it depends on the team you are on . Some of the players however, are natural born defenders and they have become quite good at it, and some are just playing for points. These are the spawnkillers and have no actual function in the team then. But you should try to take a look at how everyone is behaving when there are more then 2 gd in a team. team efforts are becoming more present....
So, Depending on the team you are in , the match is played a certain way..
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]BiLL - 21.12.2006, 13:17
Yup... true what has been said in this thread!
For those who do this randomfragging ignoring the flag: use our frag power in a combination with movement and you'll become a feared attacker!
Just a tip...
Greetz BiLL
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]BiLL - 21.12.2006, 13:18
Sorry I meant: use your frag power ....
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]Doeschi - 21.12.2006, 14:10
(=FaW=)ZanaSoul wrote: ... i agree fagging only ...
Yea, fagging as well is a problem.. :lol: (sorry, couldn't resist)
@all
You might know, I'm a big fan of fast games, that's why I play on the HCG Server pretty often. In a fast game, you have to be all over the map preferable at all the same time and do what is needed at its moment. This can be: covering the own carrier by fragging, pick up the enemy flag which has been dropped by a "dead" teammate, frag the enemy frag carrier and returning the own flag... nothing really more. In fact, the game should always take place at 2 points in the map. That's where either flag is located at the moment. The standing aside and fragging "can" help your team, but it's definatley not the primary objective of the game.
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]L!sa - 21.12.2006, 14:26
yeh, many are like totally ignoring the flags, and like go and take the enemy flag and then just let go of it cause they don't wanna loose their killing spree... many in this clan does that, and players in general...
defending for me isn't standing right next to ur flag throuout a whole match, imo that's bloody camping which really pisses me off... but like going after the flag when it's taken isn't, it's a big part of the ictf game, no?
skill to me isn't to have +100 at the end of the game, it just shows u played dm instead of ictf..
spawnkilling always suck, not to mention typekilling... whats the fun in killing someone who's standing still? i don't get that :?
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]ThêGød - 21.12.2006, 17:27
Yes,many Players ignore the Flag!!I kill the Flagtoucher and i return the Flag!!I'm the Flaghunter :D :D :D :D !!!!I think its a good new name for me!!!Hm!!!Or?But i have my name since 3 1/2 Years!!!
8)
>>*''GrEeTz FrOm [GD]ThêGød''*<<
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]Valhalla - 21.12.2006, 19:18
i shoot everybody to high heaven screw then all in insta i spawn rape ignore the flag and shoot everybody to tiny bits. <------- dont like all that you should not play ictf insta just does have this effect dont like it 2 options just let then play 4 themself. i can easyly kill 125+ in instagib but look it at this wat that are 125 people les to get OUR flag or frag you
and do you not like this then play NW ctf
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
eternal - 21.12.2006, 19:26
kinda the same answer as valhalla 8) 8) 8)
you be glad you werent there om my top days at hcg
i would have killed yr ass many times and if you killed me i would hunt yo ass badly with a lot of cursing to :twisted:
[GD] never liked the last part ^^
just to let ya guys now i still frag alot that will never change but ive mostly stopped pickin fights
just searching 4 redemption ^^
yr most inpolite fragger KING R@v3N
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]Valhalla - 21.12.2006, 20:48
damm eternal those glory days seem so distant know a shame really i never get 2 or 3 wicked sick in a game anymore instead i have 1 for 60 kills ^^
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
ZanaSoul - 21.12.2006, 23:42
eternal wrote: with a lot of cursing to :twisted:
[GD] never liked the last part ^^
lol sorry now i couldnt refuse..^^ no comment..hihihi
True you have so many styles of play, like God flaghunter, camper, basecamper, spawnkillers, typekillers, freelancers..and so on!!!
I cant comment the play on hcg other then that "most" people run everwere and when a flag is dropped you have 10 players diving for it..
Get back to the game i say and play like a team..should come natural for most of us anyway!! =)
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]Doeschi - 22.12.2006, 00:51
(=FaW=)ZanaSoul wrote:
Get back to the game i say and play like a team..should come natural for most of us anyway!! =)
Exactly, play as a team, not as a bunch of individuals trying to top each other by fragging everyone that tries to play ctf.
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]Pàín - 22.12.2006, 04:15
right 8)
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]Valhalla - 22.12.2006, 17:58
i dont need to overtop anybody i am the top :P
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]Valhalla - 22.12.2006, 17:59
team play is for suckers anyhow never depends on people you dont know
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]Doeschi - 22.12.2006, 21:58
@Valhalla
If your ego would kill in game, we should be on top of each ladder and cup in no time with you fighting alone.
And, if you don't care about team play, why are you in a team?
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]L!sa - 22.12.2006, 22:16
agreed.... if ur not a teamplayer, why join a teams game? bah!
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]Mutator - 23.12.2006, 03:25ICTF
Oke, I've read the topic and agree that the way ICTF is meant to be played is not something like IDM. I think that IDM does not belong in a ICTF game.
Quote: i shoot everybody to high heaven screw then all in insta i spawn rape ignore the flag and shoot everybody to tiny bits. <------- dont like all that you should not play ictf insta just does have this effect dont like it 2 options just let then play 4 themself. i can easyly kill 125+ in instagib but look it at this wat that are 125 people les to get OUR flag or frag you
and do you not like this then play NW ctf
I really had to read this post like 5 times and I still I don't get it. Valhalla please use dots in your sentences and could you rewrite your statement?
Quote: team play is for suckers anyhow never depends on people you dont know
First of: teamplay is for suckers??? Why do you even play in a team then? I heared many times on TS "good teamwork" from you, I really can't understand why you think that teamwork is for suckers? In this situation you are wrong, if you think that you don't want to play in a team then you are in the wrong game if you join CTF or whatever game in a teamplay.
And finally your here on our forum with people you know, if you want to post your opinion that's fine but please watch your words, you offend other people here including me and everybody on your team.
I don't want to try and start a fight here I just want us to discuss this in a normal way. Everybody has his or her own opinion, but when making a post that is offending without any further explanation, can result in this: Posts that lead to nothing and that is not what we want, do we???
I hope we can discuss this in a normal and friendly way and that counts for everybody!
Greetings Bert
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]Valhalla - 23.12.2006, 16:13
oke mutator you right srry
but what is mend first never team play with people you dont know later on i said people here a trustworhty to do that want to know what i mean play ctf with my or ask any other high ranking ctf players you cant depend on people same counts 4 100GS and HCG clan server they dont give a fuck about you are your efforts you are making for the team.
second i meant to say let people play at there choising its there game to who are you to say how they should play. and if you dont like what people do say it so them or simply do not play the game but dont wast sime complaining about something that will never play.
third sure i can play team but you need to have teammates that will do the same 4 you as you would for then and you can only find that on CB and that is the only place where you can also count on others to pick up the slag if you cant get it dunn.
people on the outside of this see you dead sooner then lift a finger to help you. and that count in aspecially for HCG and FAW server. also i meant to say teamspiret is alot higher in normal weapons ctf were you get piont for doint flag thingies nog shooting hCg and especially FAW you get point by shooting people
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]Valhalla - 23.12.2006, 16:18
i never said i cant play in a team but to depend on others you dont know is playing foolish and there for you are a sucker thinking they will go treu fire to make you score.
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]BiLL - 23.12.2006, 16:19
I'm so glad U apologized for the words you said ealier...
It was quiet a big shock for many of us to read your comment.
Laat het asjeblieft niet meer zover komen, GD heeft je echt nodig.
Peace... Mikis
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]L!sa - 23.12.2006, 16:36
shoot me if im wrong but i think you get 3 points for returning the flag?
its not only in cb people play as a team... why do you think its actually TWO teams, and the game isnt called 'ctf, everyone against everyone'? becuase it's TEAMS game, and i gotta edmit that MOST people DO play it like a team, even new begginers who are trying there very best (and often get flamed at for being 'noobs' BAH!)
I think ur wrong but i'm glad u realized that u might not expressed urself in a good way and appologized for it! that's a great thing to do! :)
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]L!sa - 23.12.2006, 16:38
hrmmmm reading ur last post it doesnt seem u think u said something wrong.. :?
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]Valhalla - 23.12.2006, 16:43
ja je kan wel zeggen dat het een shock is maar het is wel de waarheid hard als het is de woorden zijn mischien verkeerd maar soms zijn harde woorden nodig om harde feiten duidelijk te maken. het is nou eenmaal zo ik hou van fraggen maar dat is maar een klein gedeelte van het spel je kan ook kijken naar het nut van die mensen wat ik ook al zei als ik 100 mensen neer knal zijn dat 100 mensen minder die de flag kunnen pakken in tegen stelling tot mensen die pas een drager neerschieten als die hem heeft. schiet ik hem al neer voordat die in de beurt komt. en doordat ik altijd heb gefragd kan ik nu met ctf snel bewegen anticiperen wat acties zijn van tegenspelers en ze uitschakelen voordat ze me schade toebregen.
van het bovenstaande principe zijn veel van de beste spelers onstaan jij trouwens ook bill. want jij w8 ook niet hulpeloos tot iemand je flagje terug brengt nee je schiet die gast zelf neer. ja en jammer voor zoveel mensen hier ontbreekt het schiet gedeelte gwn ik wil niet lullig doen tegen over ze maar sommige van de laaste edities van GD zijn gwn lulkraak uit de hcg server gepikt. zijn vast allemaal geweldige lui om mee te praten maaar in het veld heb je er niet veel aan. MRdemon en pain dat zijn lui waardig voor een clan. dat is nou eenmaal hoe ik erover denk en als iemand daar een mening over hebt hoe dom die mensen zijn is dat een belediging tegen mij en zodanig reageer ik daarop dat is iets wat jullie ook nog niet hebben kunnen begrijpen drm war karsi ook altijd een uitstekende spelers en als iemand weer zij hoe nuteloos en waardeloos en dat ze niks kunnen. dat hier neerzetten was je beledigt want wij konden goed fraggen dat is ook onze specialitieit. maar andere konden dat ook niet hebben. het allebeste voorbeeld wat ik je kan geven kijk naar effekara een natuurlijke verdediger een half jaar terug was hij voor mij niks bijzonders nou ben ik weer aventoe op hcg en die gast kan schieten is niet normaal. en doet in isentie hetzelfde alleen ik maakte er een sport van bij de meeste WS kon halen.
en de eerste beste die zegt dat ik geen teamspeler ben of weer gaat zeiken over fraggen krijgt te windt gewoon weer van voren dan lig ik maar uit de clan.
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]Doeschi - 23.12.2006, 17:07
First, valhalla, let me thank you, that you start to discuss this topic in a serious manner.
Allow me to explain my points a little further, because I'm sure, you might get my ideas. To play online is called eSports. Why? Because to compare it to real sport is not off the world, both worlds have a lot in common. Like in real sport, there's a usually a goal to reach in the game. In plain deathmath, the goal is to frag as many other as possible without dying to much. In Team Deathmatch, you do the same, but hopefully with some teamplay by covering each other. In CTF, the name says it, the goal is to capture the enemy flag. I actually don't request to do more, than playing the game as it is intended.
Let me make an example in real sports:
Lets say, you drive a car race. In a car race, you've got to drive the laps as fast as possible and pass the finish line on the first place. But somehow, some of the other drivers have more fun just bumping into your car, making it impossible (or hardly possible) for you to achieve your goal. What would you do?
In your argumentation, it would be like, "if they bumb into me, I bump into them... at least they can't finish the race. And, I bump into as many as possible. Bloody bastards"....
I say no to that. As I mentioned earlier, playing "offtopic" can harm the future of the game, because for those people who tries to stick to the goal of the game, it can be more than just annoying.
I know, I can't expect everyone to play as I'd like to have it on public servers, but I can try to ask our team to make a good example and also try to convince other teams/players to do the same. The game will get another face and will make more fun for everyone, that where I'm pretty sure.
Last night I played a game on the HCG server, the opposite team had more than superior firepower, but it took more than 9 (!!) minutes for them to capture 2 flags and to lead 2:0... 9 minutes... in these 9 minutes nothing more happend that they fragged everyone, who got their flag or tried to get it. (btw, it was a burner map. Means, the distance to the flag isn't really huge)
Oh, and btw, it's actually possible to organise some teamplay at start of the map in a public server. But then again, that means, you loose a few seconds at start and possibly 1 life without the possibiliy to get the first blood.
So, long post, I'll come to the end and hope you now understand my view.
Merry Christmas to you all.
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]Valhalla - 23.12.2006, 17:10
i understand you view its my side that is being misunderstod
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]Doeschi - 23.12.2006, 17:11
[GD]Valhalla wrote: ja je kan wel zeggen dat het een shock is maar het is wel de waarheid hard als het is de woorden zijn mischien verkeerd maar soms zijn harde woorden nodig om harde feiten duidelijk te maken. het is nou eenmaal zo ik hou van fraggen maar dat is maar een klein gedeelte van het spel je kan ook kijken naar het nut van die mensen wat ik ook al zei als ik 100 mensen neer knal zijn dat 100 mensen minder die de flag kunnen pakken in tegen stelling tot mensen die pas een drager neerschieten als die hem heeft. schiet ik hem al neer voordat die in de beurt komt. en doordat ik altijd heb gefragd kan ik nu met ctf snel bewegen anticiperen wat acties zijn van tegenspelers en ze uitschakelen voordat ze me schade toebregen.
van het bovenstaande principe zijn veel van de beste spelers onstaan jij trouwens ook bill. want jij w8 ook niet hulpeloos tot iemand je flagje terug brengt nee je schiet die gast zelf neer. ja en jammer voor zoveel mensen hier ontbreekt het schiet gedeelte gwn ik wil niet lullig doen tegen over ze maar sommige van de laaste edities van GD zijn gwn lulkraak uit de hcg server gepikt. zijn vast allemaal geweldige lui om mee te praten maaar in het veld heb je er niet veel aan. MRdemon en pain dat zijn lui waardig voor een clan. dat is nou eenmaal hoe ik erover denk en als iemand daar een mening over hebt hoe dom die mensen zijn is dat een belediging tegen mij en zodanig reageer ik daarop dat is iets wat jullie ook nog niet hebben kunnen begrijpen drm war karsi ook altijd een uitstekende spelers en als iemand weer zij hoe nuteloos en waardeloos en dat ze niks kunnen. dat hier neerzetten was je beledigt want wij konden goed fraggen dat is ook onze specialitieit. maar andere konden dat ook niet hebben. het allebeste voorbeeld wat ik je kan geven kijk naar effekara een natuurlijke verdediger een half jaar terug was hij voor mij niks bijzonders nou ben ik weer aventoe op hcg en die gast kan schieten is niet normaal. en doet in isentie hetzelfde alleen ik maakte er een sport van bij de meeste WS kon halen.
en de eerste beste die zegt dat ik geen teamspeler ben of weer gaat zeiken over fraggen krijgt te windt gewoon weer van voren dan lig ik maar uit de clan.
Uhm, can we stick to english please, I mean, if this is something personal for Bill/Spro/Mut, send it by PM... But if it's on topic, I'd love to read (and understand) it as well. Thank you.
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]Valhalla - 23.12.2006, 17:23
oke let me explain in terms a two year old can understand
insta you kill a person in 1 shot
people start spamming killing more then you be killed
they think he this is fun start getting better
afer about like 1500 games they reach a piont were killing is at a max and cant get any better they start to search 4 more beter ways to kills.
and find our the ELO rankings are pretty fasinating they have overwelhming skill in the kill and start there carrying the flag because off there talent they en comparaesant to the rest who only run from 1 side till then other, they can make critical scores becuase they simply can kill people chasing then. dont believe i score around 55% procent of the flags i pick up i am 1 of the people i have told you about. you only score less then 25% off the flags you pickup. you are clearly more interested in the flag then my but you make asumpions not knowing all the fact.
and more important would u like to be told you way a playing sucks.
lets say for a min for the sake of argument that i say you were a stupid noob with you only perpuse to run across the map back and forth would you like to be told that
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]Doeschi - 23.12.2006, 17:48
[GD]Valhalla wrote: oke let me explain in terms a two year old can understand
hmm, you should really leave such phrases out of your posts.
[GD]Valhalla wrote:
insta you kill a person in 1 shot
people start spamming killing more then you be killed
they think he this is fun start getting better
afer about like 1500 games they reach a piont were killing is at a max and cant get any better they start to search 4 more beter ways to kills.
and find our the ELO rankings are pretty fasinating they have overwelhming skill in the kill and start there carrying the flag because off
I have no problem with that, if the people only using iDM servers to train, not iCTF servers, because iDM is the game they are playing at that moment.
[GD]Valhalla wrote:
there talent they en comparaesant to the rest who only run from 1 side till then other, they can make critical scores becuase they simply can kill people chasing then. dont believe i score around 55% procent of the flags i pick up i am 1 of the people i have told you about. you only score less then 25% off the flags you pickup. you are clearly more interested in the flag then my but you make asumpions not knowing all the fact.
Sure, I am interested in the flag, because that's what this game mod is about. The flag is the most important thing in ctf. period.
[GD]Valhalla wrote:
and more important would u like to be told you way a playing sucks.
lets say for a min for the sake of argument that i say you were a stupid noob with you only perpuse to run across the map back and forth would you like to be told that
Noone said something like this. Feel free to reread all my posts and quote the part where I said, your gameplay "sucks". And I'm still cool with some shooting, it's part of the game, but it's not the only part (and main goal).
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]Valhalla - 23.12.2006, 18:28
know you dont say so but the intere tekst is about it but i am growing tiresome of this topic you?? lets just leave it 4 what it is and get on with the game ( you wanne know a fun fact or 2 nothing agrresiive my word
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
eternal - 23.12.2006, 18:51
Doeschi it is a fact that most of the people that kill a lot of people are defending in their way when i play at jolt i see a lot of morons how just hide till some1 picks the flag then spam alot i find this a very useless tactic its much wiser to stand in front of the tower or inside solong yr not hiding and to shoot every1 so you make sure the flag is where it should be and the base remains safe for flag carriers.
i personally take it 1 step further i go to the other teams base and keep killing everyone there so they cant arm themself and when a flag carrier shows up you can quikly take him out or steal the flag so he cant score
and when i get another wicked sick its a nice bonus =). but also this tactic isnt perfect cus i dont now if my base is secure :(
i also suspect a lot of people who complain about these so called fraggers and spawnkillers are just jealous because of the complex moves they can make and the aim that comes with it.
in simple words going for the flag alone is dumm its wiser to look at the larger picture wait for your teammates or health and shield cus you wont get very far with 100 health.
my last comment DON'T play at HCG it is a lot of fun and if you are good there its great but you will completly suck at 100GS and thats where true players are that fights like a team you dont have as much f&*($!g wankers who keep switchin to the stronger team aldo their are a huge amount of people who just enjoy spawnkilling especially in andaction 2k3
yr most inpolite spawnkilling fragging and in jolt uncatchable KING R@V3N
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]SPRODA - 23.12.2006, 23:11and with these words we end
Okay, before this whole thing heats up again: THE POINT IS MADE, EACH AND EVERYONE HAS IT`S OWN STYLE. THAT MEANS THAT SUCH A STYLE DOES NOT NEED TO BE APPRECIATED BY EVERYONE, BUT IT HAS TO BE RESPECTED.
Should there be - discrepancies- between players, all please realize that we are all part of the same clan, and that all efforts , even individual ones, are part of what we are as a whole.
We cannot linger in minor differences and make these bigger then they deserve to be.
It is the competition in UT that drives us, and not the competition in the clan. We must be there to support and understand each other: Make use of ones skills and not of ones flaws.
In congregation, interact and learn, not argue and abuse.
Ladies and gentleman. consider this topic closed.
We are the brothers in arms that fight a fierce battle,
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]Valhalla - 24.12.2006, 16:31
damm can u use more dificult words or is it just me what does congregation mean. hehe spro gaan we slim doen omdat we een moeilijke opleiding he he zon ken ik er nog wel 1 :P
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
[GD]Doeschi - 24.12.2006, 17:34Re: and with these words we end
[GD]SPRODA wrote: THAT MEANS THAT SUCH A STYLE DOES NOT NEED TO BE APPRECIATED BY EVERYONE, BUT IT HAS TO BE RESPECTED.
Sorry Spro, but that's where I don't agree fully. In iCTF, I do respect good teamplay, but I don't repect selfish fragging only.
Merry Chrismas.
Re: iCTF vs. iDM ??
eternal - 24.12.2006, 18:14
im not part of the clan ^^
but yr right dont wanna bring more arguments then ive already done my point has been made its up to you how ya deal with it.
$tryker
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