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    Re: DRAGON RAID TONIGHT 8 PM AGAIN....? continue

    Schorsch - 29.11.2006, 21:42

    DRAGON RAID TONIGHT 8 PM AGAIN....? continue
    There is one thing that i want to tell you Luv you told things from live but



    UTHGARD IS NOT LIVE!


    i know what a zerg on live means, there are around 100 people in it but on uthgard you will never see something like this, on uthgard a zerg is around 2 fgs because uthgard is uthgard and not live and no, ifg mid or hib would tak all chars which stay around they wont win, sometimes there are midgrps (fgs) which are killable with 3-4 people but the most mids and hibs have some more chars than stealther, they have grp chars, and than they log in the char which is needed

    and i dont want to fight against you...

    but all say AV is a bad guild bla bla, let us play like we want ! we let you play like you want, if you think making 2 grps its ok i dont have anything against it but dont blame us if we dont want to do this



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    Luv - 29.11.2006, 21:59


    true, zerg of live proportions are impossible on uthgard, yet 1fg vs 2fg hardly classifies as a zerg, just like it's possible to kill a fg with 3-4 players, it's possible for 1 fg to kill 2. i consider something a zerg when the enemy outnumers you or you outnumber the enemy in such a way that there's even no point in putting up a fight. if you want to play with 1fg, be my guest, but dont call 2fg a zerg. and as i said, zerging is not always a bad thing, it might actually work in favor for both realms, encouraging the enemy to get more players to help them.

    just tell me one thing, how often have you killed a fg with your full group and found them returning with 2fg to kill you?

    also, i dont mind filling up a group with infi's, but i do recommend infi's to group up with eachother, the main reason why it might be hard here on uthgard is the lack of buffbots. an infi in a group is more like a merc, since he looses his ability to move around unseen for a great deal. but actually excluding an infi from a group while the group has available spots is not something i can agree to, everyone has the right to do rvr and being excluded can be harsh. believe it or not, we need our infi's and by excluding them they're leaving rvr. encourage them to group up together (maybe with a few scouts or a mincer) but dont discourage them to do any rvr.

    i still firmly believe that sticking to fg's will keep rvr on in emain small-scale, if we show the hibs and the mids that we got the numbers to take em on, they'll get reinforcements, and then things will actually be interesting.



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    Raven - 29.11.2006, 22:22


    I'm kinda waiting for someone to say : Point taken

    But, i dont mind stealther groups if theyre a little organized , if not its just a way to get rid of stealthers , but stealthers are essential to a group , you dont get that , who do you think can get near casters or healers witouth them Diseasing and sprinting ? hmm ? hmmmm ? :P

    Well , Mids and hibs are lame , were the only ones playing the game fairly , and really thats the worst excuse ive ever heard, all we got are numbers , were outclassed like hell , were all worthless classes compared to treeshaggers and mountainhuggers , but hey , we got the numbers



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    Luv - 29.11.2006, 22:44


    it's not really about fair or not and stealthers can be more effective in stealther groups, but i agree, a stealther is not liability in a group, just less effective than they would be in a stealther group.



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    Raven - 19.12.2006, 14:05


    Stealthers can get close to enemy casters and healers witouth getting noticed

    I really think they are a valuable asset to your 1337 group



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    Malle - 19.12.2006, 15:09


    so

    some peaople maybe know who i was on mid ;) i changed realm, so now lets talk about "grp infis" i know how the dmg output is from an infi , I played healer and laughed about the infi dmg, sry but i dont like 50-100dmg per hit from an infi when i can get 200-300 from an merc, and dont tell me garotte is a healer defending style, it is snare and caster like sorc and theurg got root and root = 99% snare so why take an infi for snare when i can get a theurg who can root and make dmg and can spam pets or get a sorc who can mezz ?

    The dmg output of an infi is .. sry shit when against the dmg output of a merc and erase 1 grp slot for 1 Style ... don't want to do sth like that ;)



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    panachier - 19.12.2006, 21:13


    you often got dammages from buffed stealther?

    yeah casters can root... and you attack the root and is no more rooted...

    you snare 70% a target and still can attack him... when you play against shaman and you are diseased, it's the best way (wizard snare spam can works too but harder to do)

    when you insta kill the healer/druid with 2 PA you can be sure your group get a high bonus.

    fullbuffed both, i think infi is at least as good as friar (yeah i know friar buff and resist, but you can see 2 friar in a group and often you'll hear "no infi in group") and can do lot of other things that can be nice in some cases.

    i agree when i grouped with some infi i wanted to say stupid stealther, but the problem is the way they are played... runaway when you are unstealthed and dont wanna help your group mates is stupid.

    if played as PA and runaway infi is gimp in group. if played as group char it works well.

    we did a group of 2 infi 1 minestrel 1 cleric and it worked very well even against 6 enemies. some times even not trying to stealth and just rush and kill



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    Sinius - 20.12.2006, 02:51


    it begins again ...



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    monty - 20.12.2006, 03:50


    did it ever stop? :wink:
    btw, i like a well played infi
    he can scout and tell you what to expect
    he pops up and kills the healer
    i aggree, he can be played out of grp if needed
    so why should infi be crap? they exist, someone has put a lot of effort in it to lvl his char, so let them have fun and stop telling about the bad things, they can be great if well played .

    live and let live, you won't be punished forever because you give a player, who happens to play a stealther, the chance to have fun in rvr in a grp, without (for once) beeing told he suxx...

    monty :wink:



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    Calin - 20.12.2006, 04:18


    I think this discussion is dead.
    Everyone repeats his arguments and don't want to listen to the oposite side.

    Well, yes, Garotte is a nice style, Infi can scout or 2 coordinated infis can kill a char with a little bit luck, but... and now look at the situation on uthgard.

    - There are allways full buffed fgs using ts, knowing each other, cruising from keep to keep to capture and eleminate all other realms to get the bonus.

    -> You wont get the chance to scout the inc or you will be missed in when this inc reaches your grp.

    -> You wont get the chance to coordinate 2 pas. The time to stealth to the right target is to long and your support will die while your group misses damage in the assisttrain. And i'm not sure that 2 pas will kill a full buffed druid/healer when DI will be activated some seconds later.

    In this time, when keeps are the only thing because you want to have the bonus or entry to df, infis don't have the utility for a group, the most chars have (maybe a scout is more senseless :wink: )

    Btw... when a player decided to start an infi, he knew his stealth ability, his critical strike ability, what is based on his stealth. So he knew his charakter... a solo class.

    If there will be a time, when keeps have his real sense back... a tactical option to defend, if you are a smaller group... infis can do more, but now... its only garrote spam and nothing more.

    @pana
    Root is a nice weapon to avoid damage, to avoid interrupts. You cant deroot and you often root, after your grp mezzed and the enemies used purge. So all our casters should search for there root button... its often the one and only defense of a caster.

    I've so much to say, but i think i will repeat myself, because i'm so tired.

    So, cu ingame and have a good night


    Calin



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    panachier - 20.12.2006, 10:18


    @calin

    looking for inc.

    when you are attacking a keep and stealthers are a bit more far away and look for inc, you wont be mezzed at door and all dead... but i think it's not really the infi's job but minestrel's one.

    coordinating 2 PA is very easy lol... you can ask the enemies how often they die with that...

    i think traxx is the higher healer/druid and is getting insta kill with 2 PA (and anyway DI don't work on the caster, you need 2 druids in group to prevent)

    crising DF... nothing as boring as that... waiting hours to get a graykill...
    it's not for me thx... i stay in emain and do rvr to do rvr and get keep to get keep...

    when i started my infi i really didnt see that as a solo class (or we won't be 3 stealthers) and not only for stealth group but in some cases. when i began my infi rvr was more in keeps than now so infis where important in group... maybe now it's less often you need to kill enemies on wall 1 by 1


    i think you really think infis can't fight without stealth... but when i kill armsman (epic equiped oki...) in pure fight (so no critical, no poison, no hit and run, just spam evade/garrot chains) and i still have half of HP... i think it's not so gimp



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    Raven - 20.12.2006, 11:16


    Look if Dmg is what you want , dmg is what you get,

    Lillian's records:

    Duels Unbuffed:
    Killed lvl 50 Friar
    Killed lvl 50 Armsman
    Killed lvl 50 Minstrel
    Killed lvl 50 Hunter/Scout when I was lvl 41
    Got Rakon (50 Hero) to 35% hitpoints in a duel with him using IP
    Other:
    Survived 32 attacks from Gollestandt
    Never greykilled (Something Hibs and Mids can't say, muhaha)
    Killed fg of Hibs solo (Before lvl minimum in emain :roll: )
    Did 1643 Dmg on an orange enemy, beat that

    Just beacause we can hide doesnt mean were all cowards not worthy of a group.

    Sure we can be better in a stealther group, but those things have to be organized, and theyre not ...
    Everytime we want to Focus PA, theyre all PA'ing different chars , so we all die doing nothing...



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    Sinius - 20.12.2006, 11:47


    I see that albion gets infis into grps and lose most , so its bad idea ,thats only my opinion dont know whether its real reason. Maybe its ok for bremer or wilt but on bg's its not real rvr . ON purga you wont get invite playing stealther too - its solo char. I played infi a while but i realised that its not my play style, i like fight in group , i can even delete my infi because i am not gonna play it anymore.



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    Calin - 20.12.2006, 13:28


    I think its senseless to post, but this will be my last words here.

    The base of these discussion is the infi and the group-rvr.
    So i don't understand some arguments with the words 'killed an armsman' or 'won a duel against someone'. These are two different things.
    You only have to look at his abilities or the possibilities to play him in group. And you have to take a look at the situation in emain at this time.

    Another point i don't like is, that noone discusses in a normal way.
    Try to find arguments, write them down and explain them.
    Noone tries to answer to these arguments, tries to rebut them.
    The most ones select a unimportant sentence and answer to this one.

    Maybe if you discuss in this way, you will find an agreement.


    Your Calin



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    Malle - 20.12.2006, 16:19


    i knew what it means to get a PA .. the best PA i got with my healer was around 900dmg maybe a bit more

    so with dual pa u get 1800dmg.. ok that`s nice .. but my old healer got 2k Hp so he survived and then the gimpi dmg comes --> not effective, because after the PA the Infi wont do enough dmg to kill, they can heal again with moc or instants..

    But when u take 2-3 armsman with 5.5 or 6.0 weapons u get the 1800dmg when every one made his second hit with haste and dex/qui they have ~3-3.5 delay so lets say 7 sec to kill -> more effective because armsman got constant dmg so on more hit and the healer is dead, or when they got healed they wont have enough heal power against 2-3 armsman.

    And dont tell me anything about Garrote armsman got anytime snare too.



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    Raven - 22.12.2006, 17:03


    Stop breaking stealthers and play one your own, just cuz luris and kobolds suck and are lame crapheads doesnt mean were like that

    i got enough of you breaking stealthers, they dont suck , they can be good in groups, theyre fun to play, just because they dont buff or heal doesnt make them a shitty useless class

    Im sick and tired of you guys whining about stealthers.



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    Luv - 22.12.2006, 19:44


    i cant believe i'm taking part in this discussion again

    a crappy infi is a player who doesnt know his class, just like a player who doesn't know how to play support properly will make a crappy cleric. there's no class that's useless, there are only players who dont know how to play the class in question. either learn how to play or start another char. even more, a good player can make something good out of an underpowered or generally unwanted and/or unplayed class (i was a smite/rejuv cleric in the early days of daoc in europe, a lot of players looked down on me but i was praised by one of the largest and most active rvr guilds of my realm, i knew how to play smite rejuv and they knew i was reliable as support) so dont make this about infi's and grouping, it's all about the players. for starters good infi's can group together and be 10 times more lethal than in a non-stealther group and non-stealther groups shouldn't look down on infi's who cant find other infi's to group with or cant find enough of infi's.

    once again, by sticking to the way we do rvr now we'll never really be on top and we'll get our ass kicked 90% of the time.

    .



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    Poplik - 22.12.2006, 21:08


    ok I don't really have anything against assasins but, good infil imho defines someone who can get solo kills and not someone in tank train.
    And yes, in visable group merc>infil
    of course if someone can't play...



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    Malle - 22.12.2006, 21:44


    ok ..
    than i let u gimp around with ur infi :P for an example:

    U ever saw an infi in an AV group ? No

    U ever saw a RvR Group of AV what with gimp like the other grp?

    Sorry i dont.

    So maybe that`s one of the points making AV RvR Better than the most other rvr grps sry but it`s like that.



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    Luv - 23.12.2006, 02:34


    so AV is the perfect example of how to go rvr?

    one of the main reasons AV groups are generally more successful than other groups is because they almost always play together with the same ppl, they eachother and since they focus on rvr more than any other guild they're more experienced at it. they know their classes, they know eachother, where on the other hand, most other rvr groups are plain random, made up from the few ppl availabe at that moment (no cleric/no minstrel speed/no crowdcontrol/...) often only 4 or 5 ppl in it. ofcourse AV groups are more successful compared to that and in an battle with equal numbers they have a good chance of winning. darth/gaius has an infi, RR5.6, he knows how to play infi, i've seen him group with another infi and i can asure you, i was more than happy to see them pa the enemy healers while my group was fighting.

    as i said,when played properly an infi can be quiet an asset in combat, in a group an infi is more or less crippled, but not completely useless.

    If AV were a bit more openminded, we would see some real rvr (more or less like this evening, in front of crim, now that was a good battle)

    here's something else to discuss about: how about starting a bg in emain? all players in emain in one bg, quick and easy relay of information, coordination between 2 or more groups (this one group only mentality just has to go)
    imho it's still better to get 500rps instead of 1000 than to give 1000 to the enemy.

    just my 2 cents



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    panachier - 23.12.2006, 09:23


    i think nothing to do ... infi are so gimp and AV so ubber ...

    but MB are better and more friendly :-) and they group stealthers if group is not full... and they even reply when you send them... and they group with others.

    GdR idem...

    So maybe will you anderstand why rvr is hib vs mid

    i think we can't do anything to keep albion alive



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    Malle - 23.12.2006, 15:53


    we can do .. don´t play stealther in grp rvr would be one of good points for it.

    and in mb grp i dont see stealther normaly.

    in RW we ran without stealthers to.

    And AV often wins with an good grp without stealther.

    But with stealther U loose a grp slot for only 1 style -> garotte. No other usefull abillities an infi got.

    And an Armsman got an anytime snare too.

    And Armsman > Infi

    Edit:
    And Luv:
    Bg of 2 grps means only zerg. 2 grps against 1 than the enemys will leave and won`t come back so only one fight ... very nice oO



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    Luv - 23.12.2006, 17:09


    whatever, just do what you think is best, i'm sick of arguing about this

    i'd say it's been fun but then i'd be lying,

    goodbye.



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    monty - 23.12.2006, 17:18


    hmm, 2 grp is zerg?? don't make me laugh, this afternoon there where more then 2 fg of enemy's in emain..

    i've seen it in all battlegrounds, you attack with fg, you have two options, enemy leaves or enemy comes back with backup...

    maybe in mid or hib they ask for backup instead of leaving if enemy is stronger...

    you can't mean it if you say emain should be played with only 1 grp from each realm...

    i realy get tired of that "zerg" thing, if they are outnumbered nothing keeps them from asking others to come and help..

    and there is no law against going to emain with two grps, maybe the first time they will run and hide, but if they want keeps, they will have to face us... so plz plz plz, stop that zerging paranoia and let's have some fun in emain...

    there was a time keeps where ours, and somethimes stayed ours for days.. now we see in log, av claimed a keep or two, one hour later hibs come, clame keeps with 12-15 players and go back to leveling their twinks..;


    you know whay? because they know if they come with 10-15 players, albs won't try to stop them, cause albs don't zerg...

    we talked about this for ages, we agreed albs need more players to have same strength as the enemy's (i know it's because most albs are noobs)

    so if we want to win some battles we need to outnumber them... result: they will get backup or leave.. that's a chance we have to take if you ask me

    just my 2 cents



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    Sinius - 23.12.2006, 17:25


    well also hard to beat uber midgard without zerg ...



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    Schorsch - 23.12.2006, 18:21


    no i wont stop with this zerg thing, if you want to zerg do this but without us, we dont have fun if we zerg if the enemy zerg we look if we can build a nice grp to defeat the zerg or we log out but wont zerg because it is no fun

    and i know 2 grps are no zerg but for me more than 8 is a zerg ^^



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    Luv - 23.12.2006, 18:38


    blablablablablabla....

    but what i'm reading is just 'get away from my rps'

    so from your point of view, hibs and mids are zerging on a daily basis.



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    Raven - 23.12.2006, 18:40


    You really dont get it do you

    Hib and Mid have OP classes that can piss a fg of us to death
    All we got is numbers , numbers , numbers and numbers

    And now youre going to tell us not to have more than a fg in emain ?

    a fg OP classes in emain , we try to kill em with 2fg , you asses chase away a fg , you twids vs OP classes, you die , you log like little kiddies, emain is back in other hands , the end

    If you think having more than one fg is a zerg and is cheating

    Either:
    1:Your a frikin moron
    2:Your ex mid or hib not adapting to Alb
    3:Your a frikin moron
    4:You think you OWN emain and scare other players away
    5:Your a frikin moron
    6:Or you just like being the asshole and trying to boss everyone around, who the hell do you think you are ?



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    monty - 23.12.2006, 18:47


    @shorsh

    everybody may have his own opinion, it's a free world, but plz stop chasing other players out of emain if they want to do rvr, and don't tell me you don't do that...

    you tell them to leave cause the "zerg", and if they don't leave, your grp logs and let them die.. nice attitude...

    but as i said, everybody is free to do what he wants.. even if it's dividing albion...;

    someone said (i think it was Ceasar) divide and conquer.... sorry, he was not a german...

    i know you are certain you are right, but think twice.. if you never let other players grp in emain, if you never bg with them, if you log every time enemy is stronger.. then all i can say is..: do you realy think emain is all yours? maybe that's why our newcomers have to lvl withouth xp bonus, withouth df.....



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    Raven - 23.12.2006, 18:49


    Erwnd wrote:ok ..
    than i let u gimp around with ur infi :P for an example:

    U ever saw an infi in an AV group ? No

    U ever saw a RvR Group of AV what with gimp like the other grp?

    Sorry i dont.

    So maybe that`s one of the points making AV RvR Better than the most other rvr grps sry but it`s like that.

    So you think your perfect then ?

    Now thats pure sensless bull ...



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    Schorsch - 23.12.2006, 18:55


    you can go to emain BUT WE DONT WANT TO ZERG and lillian you are stupid sry but i have no other discription for you if you say other realms have op classes and are cheater and blablabla and our only strenthg isnt to have numbers. some examples, albion killed 15 hibs with 5 players, albion killed 8 mids with 3 players and so on

    we dont make bg because we wont zerg, you can zerg if you want but not with us and we invite other players in our grp but yes we dont let other grps walk with us and of course we dont invite people who only offend us



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    Luv - 23.12.2006, 18:59


    god i love where this is going... lets all flame eachother, that'll solve everything...



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    Malle - 23.12.2006, 19:00


    thanx lillian for offending hole guilds here in forum,
    u should think why ur grps are gimping around, and dont win. U are talking about the noobs in Albion and the OP classes in other realm, but i guess are one of the noobs, so u need to say all other are op.

    And btw i know that daoc is completly balanced.



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    monty - 23.12.2006, 19:06


    this fun, i think i have seen enough, i tought this was a game... so it isn't..

    time to delete the whole thing and let you serious guys play on your own..

    btw, if you piss of someone, it's not cause you did it polite that is doesn't hurt.. so if you get unpolite reaction, maybe it's your fault..;

    anyway, bye from me, i've read enough, this forum was set up to unite albion, all i have read so far is deviding it more.. conclusion: AV is ok, all the rest are noobs.. if daoc is balanced, why you piss on infi's? if rvr is about having fun, why you try to monopolize it? why?

    this is realy sad and i have enough of it



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    Raven - 23.12.2006, 19:12


    Hey i was overreacting to that assshit about AV being "the best"

    Btw , Alb doesnt zerg , At least i dont want to get trampled under 3 fg hibs mids cuz you guys think its unfair to try to outbeat them in numbers

    Seems there is no simple out of this
    You all have elephant skin
    We just try to get trough this

    And it seems there is no way trough this , y'all go have fun being cocky in emain but i will have ZERO part in this, im going to gimp around solo trying to kill 4 fg , hah.

    Man this forum is one big pile of shit, best do delete it anyway
    Im off



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    Caver - 23.12.2006, 19:18


    ok...
    i played in hib for a long time and i played in mb grps, we was always lucky when we saw an alb zerg (alb zerg = RPs)!
    you think infis are good for grp? i think an infi is a dmg dealer, i like to play an infi, but in grp? in grp is a merc more better, more hp, more dmg etc.

    now raven: stop this man, if you want to flame so go and play a bit counter strike its more better for you.

    av logout like little kids? if we see that we haven´t a chance vs. mids or hibs we logout and a zerg with alb is stupid
    one good setup and random grp will lose vs. 2 good grps of mids/hibs
    av is the only guild in alb who have a good setup or you want to tell me that infi is more better in grp as friar, merc, reaver, armsman, theurg, sorc, cleric....



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    Luv - 23.12.2006, 19:56


    i'm more interested as to why all non-av groups have such poor setup (which they have, they really have) why are there so few albs going emain? did you ever try to make a group with ppl who are waiting in tk?

    the only decent groups in emain are either guildgroups or fantasy. we wanted to improve albion, so far we're only able to get together for a dragon raid... and even then it's mostly groups by guild.

    we need more people in emain, we need more diversity in classes in emain (fg of tanks wont go anywhere, fg of clerics might be interesting but doubt they'll kill anything)

    a little side note: the bg i suggested doesnt neccerally mean that those groups run around together, but it's much easier to relay information for example one group is taking a keep, other group encounters a fg or more hibs/mids and get killed, they can warn the other group about possible incoming, and they can go to reinforce the group taking the keep. it's a bit of a tactical channel since albion lacks any form of real ingame alliances.

    so i really dont care anymore about how you guys of AV look at things, but for the sake of albion, lets get this basic form of communication up and attract more players to emain. i'm still strongly convinced that if more albs go to emain (and again, that doesnt mean we'll have several groups zerging together, different groups can be in different places) more hibs and mids will show up. lets at least do an effort of bringing some real RvR to an RvR server...

    ps: raven... dont make me smack you irl



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    Raven - 23.12.2006, 20:09


    Excuse me for the posts i made

    But i just want to know:

    Whats so bad about running around in emain with more than one fg :?: :?:



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    Tedoc - 23.12.2006, 20:42


    I tell you.
    When theres more then a fg, mostly the other have no chance. So they logg out - so theres no RvR - so its boring.

    Why zerg when you can have nice RvR?


    BTW: You know, AV is the best Guild ever and roxx everything!!!!111



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    Raven - 23.12.2006, 20:53


    So whats the point in only coming with one group , have our asses wiped , and stop playing ?

    If we come with more than them and beat them , theylle come with more, and they we come with more, and then they ...... and so on

    so well end up having huge and fun RvR

    So i dont see whats so evil and bad about running around with more than one group

    Now tell me, what is so bad about running around with more than one group ??



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    Malle - 23.12.2006, 20:59


    1.mostly they dont come with more.

    2. when they come with more we have bug rvr with 3grps on 3 grps ect. but in my opinion thats not so funny, cause u get lows in grp ect. to have many like them. and then u get only uncoordinate fights ect.



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    Tedoc - 23.12.2006, 21:00


    No its not funny RvR, because after two runs one Realm havent got enough Player to add on more. So they will be killed every and every time. Very funny right.



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    Raven - 23.12.2006, 21:23


    were the only ones getting killed atm
    And mostly , they come with much more than you had hoped for
    And Big groups doesnt necesarily mean lowbies in groups
    Nothing bad about lowbies, you were once lvl 45+- too
    More hibs and mids than albs atm
    If you work together like a team, dont act selfish , and follow the rules that had been made, the fight will be coordinated

    So tell me

    Whats wrong with running around in emain with more than one group ?



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    Malle - 23.12.2006, 21:41


    read what i write,

    no one in albion does what has been said.

    there are every time lows in a zerg.

    so i wont zerg, and finish u can do what u want i dont like to run in more than 1 fg.



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    Raven - 23.12.2006, 21:53


    No one in albion is done what said , Because noone tells em what to do , No one has the right to tell them what to do , they have to come together and set up rules and regulations, not one Boss and some people , its a group of people that determin what is done

    There is nothing wrong with non-50 Players, just cus they miss a few spec points doesnt render them Useless

    The enemy runs with more than one fg nearly every time they are in emain

    So tell me now

    What is wrong with running around with more than one group ?



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    Malle - 23.12.2006, 22:07


    u say all what i say is wrong, so shut up.

    Ur question was allready answered, so stfu :P



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    Tedoc - 23.12.2006, 22:16


    There are many things wrong with a under 50player. Not only a few Point to skill. They havent a SC, they have lower HP, they havent not a high RR so they miss important RA's. Thats not important?



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    Raven - 23.12.2006, 22:34


    My question is not yet awnsered , if it was , i wouldnt ask it over and over again..
    Under 50 Characters dont suck that much , they dont lack that much of skillpoints, most of them have a SC , they only have jsut a tiny bit less HP, some have higher RR than you(Braemar, Wilton,Early Emain..)
    So thats not important, They are not useless and can be handy to fill ranks, just cuz theyre not the best doesnt mean theyre not good.
    Albion can easily full 3-4-5 groups with 50's


    My question still hasnt gotten an awnser
    So tell me now

    What is wrong with running around in emain with more than one group ?



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    Tedoc - 23.12.2006, 22:45


    The questions is answered x times. More than a fg -> on this server zerg -> they lose everytime -> they log out -> no RvR.
    When you cant read i'm so sorry, but its not my fault.



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    Malle - 23.12.2006, 22:55


    so now lillian u are ignored by me cause u are to stupid to read, sorry.

    A <50 char has not enough hp and to low af he will get the di down like the noobiest lvl 50 stealther/caster.

    And tedoc said what's up with zerg so read it and dont ask again!



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    Schorsch - 23.12.2006, 23:03


    run in more than one fg is no fun !
    if you kill a fg with 2 fgs where is the challenge ?
    zerg vs zerg is shit for some people that is no fun you must accept that.



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    Raven - 23.12.2006, 23:03


    Nothings wrong with -50 chars , i see Albions Vengeance run around with Unicum quite alot , and shes not 50 ....
    I believe a lot more people would prefer big RvR than watching you guys run yourself to death on 2-3 fg hibs mids ....

    My Question is not yet awnsered

    What is wrong with running around in emain with more than one group ?!



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    Tedoc - 23.12.2006, 23:06


    Are you too stupid or only a kiddie who wants to annoy? learn to read!



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    Raven - 23.12.2006, 23:10


    Oh excuse me !!
    My question has not yet been awnsered with a DECENT awnser ...
    What is wrong with running around in emain with more than one group ?
    It appears even you dont even know a decent awnser to that , wich means the ones who have been ramming 'Zerg is Bad' in our head dont even know why ....

    So my conclusion , you dont know what your talking about and running around with more than one group in emain isnt Bad or Evil or Lame ...

    What is wrong with running around in emain with more than one group ?
    Nothing



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    Tedoc - 23.12.2006, 23:14


    What the hell??!! I wrote it many times, why zerging is total senseless.
    So plz tell me: Why is running with more grps good?



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    Calin - 23.12.2006, 23:16


    Please think before writing @ all!!
    Stop this stupid and childish flame !!

    Meet in IRC or whatever, but use your brain before you write here!!

    Sometimes its better to be quiet, when you don't have arguments.


    Calin



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    Raven - 23.12.2006, 23:18


    It attracts more people..
    It unites albion..
    It encourages the other realms to gather more friends..
    It gives us an advantage on the field..
    It doesnt set a limit on howmuch people should be in Emain ...
    Just about all the opposite of what you just said i suppose ....
    So i think youre just ramming this in our heads so you could have emain for yourself , or you want to get alb down to a pile of shit ....
    So my question is still not awnsered...
    If you cant find a Decent awnser for the question, please admit you dont know...


    What is wrong with running around in emain (and other bg) with more than one group ?!







    @Calin Think before you post ... I only see questions and stupid trying-to-be-a-decent-awnser awnsers ... i see no flaming in here ...



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    Caver - 23.12.2006, 23:24


    raven we take unicum, because we havent enough clerics so we take unicum and he can play the cleric!

    What is wrong with running around in emain with more than one group?
    - one alb grp with good setup like: 2clerics, reaver, friar, theurg, pala, minne,armsi or a second reaver
    - second alb grp with this setup: 1 lvl 43 cleric, 2infis, 1scout, 1 s/s armsman, merc with epic, lvl 46 minne and an lvl 47 matter cabba

    ----------------------------------> VS. <------------------------------------

    - two hib grps with: 2 droods, 1bard, 2warden, 2heros and 1 champ

    or...

    - two mids grps with: 2 healer, 2 shamis, 2savages, 1 warrior(or thane) and 1 berserker(or third savage)

    the second alb grp is standart: without cc, without heal, without dmg etc.
    if alb have TWO good grps with the same setup and with people who understand that INFIS are not grp chars, then i think we will go with two grps...

    is that enough?



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    Mendou - 23.12.2006, 23:27


    Even though I have never been to emain on uthgard, I would like to voice my opinions on zerging, alb attitudes, and gimped classes (its stealthers in this thread).

    I played Mystify Me on Excaliber Europe. I was a Body Spec Cabalist, Eagle Knight. I have played many classes, but I always played for fun, and for the benefit of the group, and above all...to win.
    I hated giving away rps, but I accepted it as part of the game. But at the end of it all, I felt I received more rps then I gave away, and isnt that the point?! To feel as though you contributed to your 'teams' success.
    My wife and I may not have been the cream of albion, but we were fighters and we have the memories (and in some cases the videos) to prove it. It's not the tools you have, its the way you use them.
    I won duels in the field, I always put my best foot forward in zergs, and I always followed the group leaders instructions. No matter what class, level or character I played, I always learnt from my expriences.

    Now I realise there are may 'gimped' classing in alb, but albs prefere to play them. I know elities are always blamed for excluding these classes from groups. But until a class or spec are proven to these type of people, noone can blame them for not taking a chance. AV or the next elite guild will always take the most flack by being the most successful alb guild in emain, but until someone proves they can accept others in there group why should they change?

    I know this isn't the most compeling evidence, or that this will change things in emain. But I feel our 'zerg' with a smite group, '5 smite clerics' '1 rejuv' '1 minicer' and myself as the other healer can have great fun. We zerged without making the enemy log and I believe everyone came away with a warm fuzzy feeling. Just check our little Smite Club Vid out and just 'think' about inviting a gimp to your group when your in emain next :twisted:



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    Raven - 23.12.2006, 23:28


    So let me see... Your outnumbered... outclassed... and still you bully away the other group thats trying to help ? hmm...
    Does it matter if they have or dont have speed ? They can still gaurd your back...
    Does it matter of they are lvl 50? They can still do damadge...
    Does it matter theyre not Guildmembers ? They still are players ....
    So its alright to invite non-50's if theyre usefull ? i tought i heard you say all 50-minus are crap ....
    And you see other realms run around with more than one group...
    Everything you told me points just to the opposite of what you claim...
    Dont start the infi debate again, infis are a class like any other...

    I repeat
    If you do not know the awnser to my question, please admit it..

    What is wrong with running around in RvR with more than one group ?!



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    Caver - 23.12.2006, 23:38


    a lvl 48 cleric is enough, good ras, a good player and its enough!
    thats right at the moment we havent enough player for one "guild grp" so we take player like sansa, terid, unicum and and and
    if the people offline so we logout its better then zerg with a bad alb setup grp and give free rps for the other realms

    so its enough? think about it, k?



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    Tedoc - 24.12.2006, 00:32


    Raven, you are amusing me very well with that question :D Thx for that. I think you dont want to understand my answer or ignore it.

    For me zerging is destroying the RvR. Many player are tired of being killed by a zerg. DAoC is a challenge. You cant win every time. Everyone can kill 5 people with 2 fg's. Where is the challenge?



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    Kronos - 24.12.2006, 01:12


    100% on this with Calin.

    Topic closed due to reasons that should be to obvious to explain here - i hope...

    Just for information: This is the albion alliance board, not the uthgard forums or a fighting area. If you are not able to discuss in a normal and moderate way, please go elsewhere.

    I will close topics with flames without comment. Also be aware that this board is an offer for the albion community for friendly and constructive discussions and smalltalk, not for bashing each other.
    If you are not able to abide by the rules, topics will be closed and in the end as a measure of last option permission to the intern forums may be canceled.

    This is not a threat it is just a broad hint.

    Be friendly or at least be moderate. Please.

    Greetz,
    Kronos

    PS.: Merry Christmas.



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    cletus - 24.12.2006, 15:28


    Hi folks,

    it was definitely time to close this topic. We have many problems in Alb, it's true, but this is not the way we should go. Please don’t flame and insult each other, it makes the situation worse. If you are going to take a more constructive way, I am ready to help on your efforts.

    Thanks,
    Cletus



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