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    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 23.11.2006, 10:35

    Help to save nature !
    Find the links and information on Intertribal COUP, Native Energy and Native Wind on www.newnativespirit.de !!!
    Thank you!



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 24.11.2006, 12:23


    thx for info :wink:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    evenstar - 25.11.2006, 12:06


    Cheers for that! I'll take another look at this when I'm in the office on Monday.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 26.11.2006, 17:03


    I was able to make some of my friends and co-workers really interested in Native Energy projects and I also want to ask for a meeting with my boss and try to make the company I´m working for to buy green-tags. In a few days the "big boss" will be here, so they can discuss it. Plus I want to call the mayor of a small village near by. They are involved in wind energy and there was an article in our local newspaper that they gonna build an "Indianvillage" for kids. I want to ask the mayor, if they need help, because otherwise it will be one of those "European Indianvillages". Maybe they take me as an advicer and let me help them to get close to the truth. They described the project a little bit and I was like "oh my god, they gonna lie to the people again!" The description of the teepees they want to build shocked me ! If I get to talk to the mayor, I´ll also introduce Intertribal COUP to him.
    LOL I want to tell him, that he can´t build up an Indianvillage he would have to be ashamed of, because if I will make some of my friends to come and visit ... just imagine, what they will think, when they will see such a village ... maybe, he´ll think of it.
    So, there is lots to do for me next week ...



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 26.11.2006, 18:31


    omg :shock: I hope they let you lead the bulding of the indian village... :shock:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 27.11.2006, 18:36


    evenstar wrote: Cheers for that! I'll take another look at this when I'm in the office on Monday.

    when I get back from lunch I'll take a look at it. I'm still going through stuff from the past 5 days. :shock:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 02.12.2006, 16:20


    As long as I don´t know how to move single posts, I copied them and put them up here ... I think this is the right place to discuss this

    evenstar


    You know, every time I see a natural disaster on the news like Hurricane Katrina or the Asian tsunamis I always think that nature is getting back at us for everything we have put her through. If anyone isn't worried about global warming after seeing things like that then they certainly should be!
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    The problem is you can´t teach the elder people! They can´t really understand ... just like my grandma ... she´s shocked by the things she can see on TV, but she still lives her life the way she always used to do it. But what WE need to do is to teach our children !!! We are the ones to show them what needs to be changed and of course we will have to learn! The future of our kids depend on us. It´s not easy to explain global warming to kids, but with a few "games" it´s pretty easy to make them see, that something isn´t going the right way and then you can teach them ... one of the topics of my upcoming workshops for kids. I already thought about some things ... do you guys know "Lars, the little Icebear" ?
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    btw. we should discuss this in the thread "save the nature" - right?
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    yep, would be better
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    mouseears89


    Okay ladies- I know you may get mad at me, but I have to voice my opinion on global warming. It's completely blown out of proportion. The earth has only warmed up 0.01 percent of a degree in the last 200 years. They didn't even track the weather until the 1800's- so that is the only data we have to compare it to. The earth naturally goes through cycles of heating and cooling. Why else would the earth have a molten core and solid mass on the surface? These are all just normal cycles that earth has to go through. Rome wasn't built in one day- and neither was the earth.
    I do agree with recycling, tree hugging, etc. etc. because I am a mother earth lover. Why else would I plant a garden and raise my own food? We use energy saving lightbulbs, alternative heating sources, and still have a septic tank and well water. So I am doing my part to keep mother earth clean (yes, I even subscribe to the magazine Mother Earth News), but this global warming thing- I have a real problem with. I think it's the news media's way of scaring us so we take our minds off of other more important things- like protecting our neighbors and providing for our families.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 02.12.2006, 16:39


    I want to reply to mouseears´ post:

    I think if we talk about global warming is not only about how much the earth warmed up - you are right - that´s just a regular process. But I think by using the term global warming we mean the specific case of the more general term "climate change". It´s the observed increase in the average temperature of the Earth's atmosphere and oceans in recent decades. An increase in global temperatures can in turn cause other changes, including a rising sea level and the frequency and intensity of extreme weather events, such as floods, droughts, heat waves, hurricanes, and tornados is increasing as well. There are human and non-human causes for the global warming. Just think of all the CO2 in the atmosphere which warms the Earth's surface and leads to melting of ice near the poles.

    I could go on and on and on ... it´s pretty complex. And I´m really afraid of the future, if we don´t start to change things and talk about the problem. I don´t think that the media wants to scare us - and who says that we can´t take care of our friends, family, neighbours etc. and of mother earth at the same time?

    That was a good point mouseear - thank you!



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 03.12.2006, 18:06


    I agree with you, Anne. Couldn't have said it better :wink:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    evenstar - 04.12.2006, 02:35


    Anne, I totally agree with what you said about older people not wanting to know about global warming! I have the same problem trying to get my mother to listen, but you are right about it being more important to teach the children!

    Mouse, have you seen the Al Gore documentary, "An Inconvient Truth". This should address some of your concerns about how serious global warming is. The planet does go through regular life cycles, but the recent temperature changes aren't consistent, and that is what worries me. Can we really convince ourselves that the huge amounts of CO2 that we're pouring into the atmosphere isn't having an impact? If you're in any doubt, just think about all of the natural disasters that have been taking place around the world in recent times.

    I really don't think that this is a scare tactic from the media. What would they have to gain from it anyway? I actually think that the reverse is true. For years they have been trying to deny that climate change is a serious problem, and it's only now that they are (reluctantly) starting to do something about it!

    Anne, I think that one of the less considered issues in the global warming debate is the effect that deforestation has on global temperatures. After all, the less trees we have to soak up all of the CO2 that humans are emitting means more of it that goes into the atmosphere!



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 04.12.2006, 15:30


    Idril wrote: I agree with you, Anne. Couldn't have said it better :wink:

    I agree too



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 04.12.2006, 19:03


    evenstar wrote: Anne, I totally agree with what you said about older people not wanting to know about global warming! I have the same problem trying to get my mother to listen, but you are right about it being more important to teach the children!

    Mouse, have you seen the Al Gore documentary, "An Inconvient Truth". This should address some of your concerns about how serious global warming is. The planet does go through regular life cycles, but the recent temperature changes aren't consistent, and that is what worries me. Can we really convince ourselves that the huge amounts of CO2 that we're pouring into the atmosphere isn't having an impact? If you're in any doubt, just think about all of the natural disasters that have been taking place around the world in recent times.

    I really don't think that this is a scare tactic from the media. What would they have to gain from it anyway? I actually think that the reverse is true. For years they have been trying to deny that climate change is a serious problem, and it's only now that they are (reluctantly) starting to do something about it!

    Anne, I think that one of the less considered issues in the global warming debate is the effect that deforestation has on global temperatures. After all, the less trees we have to soak up all of the CO2 that humans are emitting means more of it that goes into the atmosphere!

    If it was only CO2... There are so many other chemicals comming into the air. Like methan (this is the german name, I haven't found an english translation, I hope it's not too bad) or older things like FCKW.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 04.12.2006, 19:57


    Idril wrote: evenstar wrote: Anne, I totally agree with what you said about older people not wanting to know about global warming! I have the same problem trying to get my mother to listen, but you are right about it being more important to teach the children!

    Mouse, have you seen the Al Gore documentary, "An Inconvient Truth". This should address some of your concerns about how serious global warming is. The planet does go through regular life cycles, but the recent temperature changes aren't consistent, and that is what worries me. Can we really convince ourselves that the huge amounts of CO2 that we're pouring into the atmosphere isn't having an impact? If you're in any doubt, just think about all of the natural disasters that have been taking place around the world in recent times.

    I really don't think that this is a scare tactic from the media. What would they have to gain from it anyway? I actually think that the reverse is true. For years they have been trying to deny that climate change is a serious problem, and it's only now that they are (reluctantly) starting to do something about it!

    Anne, I think that one of the less considered issues in the global warming debate is the effect that deforestation has on global temperatures. After all, the less trees we have to soak up all of the CO2 that humans are emitting means more of it that goes into the atmosphere!

    If it was only CO2... There are so many other chemicals comming into the air. Like methan (this is the german name, I haven't found an english translation, I hope it's not too bad) or older things like FCKW.

    I think the word methan is the english translation too only I think the english methan has a few more letters in it. I was watching a show the other night on nature and natural diseasters - they talked about the ice caps slowly melting and sunamies (sorry can't spell it either)



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 04.12.2006, 20:04


    yeah. The ubs are melting, because the heat the human produce can't leave the world the way it should, because there are so many CO2-clouds.

    And the word is Tsunami. You just forgot the T :wink:
    But the problem aren't only the tsunamies. There are much more tornados, even here in Germany, where they are "not at home".



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 04.12.2006, 21:55


    Idril wrote: yeah. The ubs are melting, because the heat the human produce can't leave the world the way it should, because there are so many CO2-clouds.

    And the word is Tsunami. You just forgot the T :wink:
    But the problem aren't only the tsunamies. There are much more tornados, even here in Germany, where they are "not at home".

    yep toronados, fires, many things contribute to the warming - also all the emissions from the automobiles and factories.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    evenstar - 05.12.2006, 02:23


    Idril wrote: evenstar wrote: Anne, I totally agree with what you said about older people not wanting to know about global warming! I have the same problem trying to get my mother to listen, but you are right about it being more important to teach the children!

    Mouse, have you seen the Al Gore documentary, "An Inconvient Truth". This should address some of your concerns about how serious global warming is. The planet does go through regular life cycles, but the recent temperature changes aren't consistent, and that is what worries me. Can we really convince ourselves that the huge amounts of CO2 that we're pouring into the atmosphere isn't having an impact? If you're in any doubt, just think about all of the natural disasters that have been taking place around the world in recent times.

    I really don't think that this is a scare tactic from the media. What would they have to gain from it anyway? I actually think that the reverse is true. For years they have been trying to deny that climate change is a serious problem, and it's only now that they are (reluctantly) starting to do something about it!

    Anne, I think that one of the less considered issues in the global warming debate is the effect that deforestation has on global temperatures. After all, the less trees we have to soak up all of the CO2 that humans are emitting means more of it that goes into the atmosphere!

    If it was only CO2... There are so many other chemicals comming into the air. Like methan (this is the german name, I haven't found an english translation, I hope it's not too bad) or older things like FCKW.

    You're right Idril, we are pumping a lot of dangerous chemicals into the environment! Apparently they are planning to build nuclear power plants here in Australia, and it has sparked a lot of debate. Apparently they are claiming that nuclear power isn't as dangerous as it used to be. But we will still be producing nuclear waste right? And where are we going to dispose of that?



    Re: Help to save nature !

    mouseears89 - 05.12.2006, 07:16


    Well I must say you ladies sure present a good case. I understand your views, and will not neglect pondering them.
    And along this line, I hope all of you are eating organic fruits, vegetables, meat, chicken, and fish. If our governments are allowing these chemicals to be blown into the air, imagine what they are passing off onto your tables? :shock: Genetically modified food sources are huge contributors to such diseases as asthma, allergies, heart disease, cancer, and a slew of others. Take care of yourself- because no one else is going to. :wink:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 05.12.2006, 18:23


    You're right. I don't want to know what chemicals are in my food (allthough I'm trying to find out what kind of things they put in sweets lol).



    Re: Help to save nature !

    evenstar - 06.12.2006, 02:08


    mouseears89 wrote: Well I must say you ladies sure present a good case. I understand your views, and will not neglect pondering them.
    And along this line, I hope all of you are eating organic fruits, vegetables, meat, chicken, and fish. If our governments are allowing these chemicals to be blown into the air, imagine what they are passing off onto your tables? :shock: Genetically modified food sources are huge contributors to such diseases as asthma, allergies, heart disease, cancer, and a slew of others. Take care of yourself- because no one else is going to. :wink:

    If I didn't live at home and had more control over the grocery shopping, then believe me I would be eating everything organic! I would probably grow some of my own vegetables too! Good point mouse, nothing is more important than our health and that of our families is it? :D



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    newnativspirit - 06.12.2006, 15:32


    We just had a discussion about that at work. It´s so difficult in our days to buy healthy food. If you go to a grocery store they gonna tell you that everything is healthy! There are statistics about how many vitamines and stuff are still in our vegetables and even the ones you can pick in your own garden are not very healthy anymore, because the ground is not healthy and the rain is not clean and too many things are in the air that are not good for the salat and all the other stuff ... it´s really not easy.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 06.12.2006, 18:17


    You said it. It's no easy. My mum has a pretty huge garden where she plants vegetables and strawberrys and others things for us to eat. So she doesn't need to buy some things during the year, because we have so much of some things (like potatoes or beans) that we can put it in our freezer and live for almost a year of our garden :wink: My mum also loves to gather mushroos, but only those which don't grow right next to the street.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    evenstar - 07.12.2006, 02:43


    Oh, I love mushrooms! Oh and Anne, that is a good point. I've never really thought about how unhealthy the soil and air is too! But unfortunately we cannot control absolutely everything.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    mouseears89 - 07.12.2006, 06:17


    You ladies are absolutely right- we cannot control everything, and just have to do our part to make the best of it. I'm glad to hear Idril that your mom is passing some of the "old ways" onto you. It will be your responsibility to take care of your family some day, and it's good that you have someone to teach you. Now, please don't take this as a remark against strong women and their roles. My mom raised three girls with little input from my father- she was a single mom in the 70's and we have all heard stories about how oppressed they were back then. But she made her decisions, and still was able to get her degree in Accounting, while we went to school during the day. She taught us girls to be independent, but also to have good heads on our shoulders. I believe you can be a stong woman: mother and worker, because I have seen it first hand.
    I guess what I want to say is this- don't believe everything you hear, read or see until you fully investigate it for yourself- without someone else's viewpoint being wispering into your ear.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 07.12.2006, 12:02


    I guess Idril has seen a good example by visiting me! I told her the "story of my life". I had to fight all my life and I´ve got my own opinion about things - that´s why alot of people in my town don´t come along with me. I always stayed the person I am, no matter what all the others expected me to do and I raise my kids the way I do think it´s the best way and I do get compliments for my son all the time, because he knows how to behave and how to treat people. Of course, he still has to learn a lot, but I gave him a good basis ... a lot of people do not understand why I´m doing all this support work for Native American people, why I´m talking about wind energy in South Dakota although we do have our own wind parks ... they don´t want to understand, but I don´t care. There are always a few who want to learn and do listen - that´s all I want. You should always stay on your path once you´ve found it and that´s what I´m doing ... it took me a while to find my way, but now I am happy with what I´m doing and so I guess I will follow this path !!! And I´m pretty good in convincing people ... ask Idril ... lol ... if I start talking about a topic I´m interested in, you can´t stop me ... LOOOOOOOOL



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 07.12.2006, 17:57


    yep yep :wink: But it's good :wink:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 07.12.2006, 23:44


    Six people have been injured after what has been described as a mini-tornado ripped through a north-west London street.

    One man in his 50s suffered head injuries and was taken to hospital, while five others have been treated for minor injuries and shock, according to the London Ambulance Service (LAS).

    The tornado touched down on Chamberlayne Road in the Kensal Rise area, ripping up roofs and hurling debris along the street.

    Eyewitnesses reported a loud noise preceding the tornado, which touched down for about 30 seconds and travelled about 300m.

    A number of ambulances and 50 firefighters were called to the scene at about 11:00 GMT this morning.

    "We can confirm that we were called to Chamberlayne Road at 11.02am today after a storm caused structural damage to a number of properties in the area," an LAS spokesman said.

    "We have sent four ambulances, two fast response cars and two officers to the scene. We have also activated the helicopter emergency medical service which carries a senior trauma-trained doctor and a paramedic."

    A London fire brigade spokesman added that a local school has been evacuated and the children moved to another school.

    "It's a freak weather condition," he said. "We mobilised in excess of 20 fire appliances which we have now scaled down."

    He added: "The local authorities are working to rehouse people should they need it."

    Daniel Bidgood, a resident of nearby Crediton Road, said the scene in his area was one of "utter devastation".

    "It's like someone has dropped bombs there," he told BBC News 24.

    "I heard heavy thunder and as I went to go and get my camera debris flew across the road and I had to take cover."

    He added: "There was a huge roar – a sound of an aircraft taking off that came up the road.

    "The air turned great and you could see it ripping up heavy chunks of mortar and hurling roof tiles off.

    "It was incredibly frightening. The sound was something I've not heard before."

    Weather forecasters had predicted strong winds and heavy rain in the south-east of England today and flood warnings



    And I´ve read in a German newspaper that we do have the warmest December for 1300 years ...



    Re: Help to save nature !

    evenstar - 08.12.2006, 02:52


    I just read about this. Alarm bells should be going off in people's heads, if they're not already.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 08.12.2006, 20:40


    Yeah, I was very shocked when I heard about that tornado and saw pictures in the tv and in the newspaper. :( :shock:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 08.12.2006, 23:56


    As I told you, we had this meeting today. We had a power-point-presentation about how the company I´m working for is developing on the world-market and stuff like that ... so the "big boss" was there, too. He doesn´t come to my town that often, but for this meeting he always shows up. After the dinner he was talking to some workers and was just walking around, so I "catched" him and introduced my company to him. I asked him if "SIGENIA Aubi" (that´s the name of the company I´m working for) would like to support Intertribal COUP by buying Green Tags. I explained everything to him and that I also try to make young people aware of the "global warming" problem ... he was very interested and asked me to send him the link to my website and the link to Intertribal COUP, Native Wind and Native Energy. He also told me that he gets alot of requests like that and that he can´t make any promises, but he will for sure take a look at the websites and answer my email.
    Now you guys have to wish me luck that he decides to support these projects and Native American People ... that would be such a great success, because this guy is RICH ... and if I say rich, I mean RICH RICH !!! I don´t even have a feeling about it, but of course I hope that I´ll get a positive answer. At least, he was very estonished that I´m involved in something like that and he promised to take a close look at my website, because I made him interested in the subject. (I told you, I´m a pretty good speaker - lol - my co-workers told me, too, because they were listening - lol)

    I´ll write this email to him tomorrow and send it on Monday, because I will have to ask for his direct contact at the office first. So this will be an exciting week for me. It would be a great Christmas gift for Native Energy to get some support from Germany/Europe! And for me, too.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 09.12.2006, 00:13


    And this happened here where I live today:

    08.12.2006
    Mehring: Windrad verliert Rotorblatt

    Am frühen Morgen ist ein Windrad auf der Mehringer Höhe auseinandergebrochen. Ein etwa 35 Meter langes Rotorblatt des ingesamt 113 Meter hohen Windrads brach ab, fiel herunter und zersplitterte in zahlreiche Stücke. Verletzt wurde niemand.
    Bereits gegen 6.45 Uhr meldete ein Autofahrer der Polizei, ein Windrad an der Kreisstraße 85 drehe sich außergewöhnlich schnell. Als Polizeibeamte der Schweicher Inspektion vor Ort eintrafen, brach ein etwa 35 Meter langes Rotorblatt ab. Obwohl nach Angaben der Polizei reger Verkehr auf der Kreisstraße herrschte, wurde niemand verletzt. Die Einzelteile verteilten sich großflächig auf umliegenden Wiesen und im Wald.

    Die Ursache des Unfalls ist noch völlig offen. Derzeit sind Experten der Betreiberfirma vor Ort. Die Höhe des Sachschadens steht noch nicht fest. Die Polizei hat den Bereich um das Windrad weiträumig abgesperrt, weil noch immer Teile des Rotorblattes herunter fallen. Neben der Polizeiinspektion Schweich sind auch Feuerwehr und Straßenmeisterei im Einsatz.

    Translation:
    In the early morning a wind turbine on the “Mehringer Höhe” has broken. An about 35 m long rotor sheet of the wind turbine, which is 113 m high, broke off, fell down and split in numerous pieces. Nobody was injured. Already around 6.45 o'clock a passing driver informed the police that a wind turbine turns extremely fast. When police officers arrived on site, an about 35 m long rotor sheet broke off. The parts of the rotor sheet spread on surrounding meadows and in the woods. The cause of the accident is still unknown. Experts of the company are on site. How big the damage to property is, is still not for sure. The police has blocked off the area around the wind turbine, because there are still parts of the rotor sheet falling down.






    We had extremely heavy storms in our area today !!! Also all over Germany/Europe !



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 09.12.2006, 20:06


    newnativspirit wrote: As I told you, we had this meeting today. We had a power-point-presentation about how the company I´m working for is developing on the world-market and stuff like that ... so the "big boss" was there, too. He doesn´t come to my town that often, but for this meeting he always shows up. After the dinner he was talking to some workers and was just walking around, so I "catched" him and introduced my company to him. I asked him if "SIGENIA Aubi" (that´s the name of the company I´m working for) would like to support Intertribal COUP by buying Green Tags. I explained everything to him and that I also try to make young people aware of the "global warming" problem ... he was very interested and asked me to send him the link to my website and the link to Intertribal COUP, Native Wind and Native Energy. He also told me that he gets alot of requests like that and that he can´t make any promises, but he will for sure take a look at the websites and answer my email.
    Now you guys have to wish me luck that he decides to support these projects and Native American People ... that would be such a great success, because this guy is RICH ... and if I say rich, I mean RICH RICH !!! I don´t even have a feeling about it, but of course I hope that I´ll get a positive answer. At least, he was very estonished that I´m involved in something like that and he promised to take a close look at my website, because I made him interested in the subject. (I told you, I´m a pretty good speaker - lol - my co-workers told me, too, because they were listening - lol)

    I´ll write this email to him tomorrow and send it on Monday, because I will have to ask for his direct contact at the office first. So this will be an exciting week for me. It would be a great Christmas gift for Native Energy to get some support from Germany/Europe! And for me, too.

    Aaaaaaaaaah! So cool!!! I will keep my fingers crossed! :D



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 10.12.2006, 18:43


    I was thinking a loooooooooooooooooooooooooong time about doing this and I still feel kind of uncomfortable with it, but I need to do it:

    I plan on buying green tags in the name of NewNativeSpirit and I want to ask you, if you want to join. If you´ve been to the website of Native Energy and checked out the opportunities, you all know that you only have to pay a little amount to help. You won´t even have to by those green tags by your own. NewNativeSpirit will purchase the green tags for you. Means you can pay like only a few Euro into a special NewNativeSpirit account and I will see how many green tags I will be able to get for your money!!! I understand that we all don´t have that much money, but I´m sure we can get the money for a Wind Builder Green Tag !!! Let us proove that Europeans do care about global warming and want to help. Only one green tag would be enough - so let´s make it happen !!! Tell your friends about it and convince them to join us !!! If there are 10 of you each asking 10 friends for only 1 Euro we would get 100 Euro = 2 green tags ( WindBuilders 6 keeps 6 tons of CO2 out of the air. For 20¢ per day ($72), you can have the same impact on global warming as taking the average car off the road for a year. It's also the same as powering and heating the average U.S. apartment entirely with wind energy for a whole year. ) So will you help to save nature?



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 10.12.2006, 18:49


    I will help you! Allthough my parents aren't that happy with it. Can I give you the money for it personal?



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 10.12.2006, 19:47


    Why are they not happy? What are their arguements against it?

    Sure, when you come to visit me in a few days ? YES !!!!!!!!



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 10.12.2006, 19:52


    Because they are already giving money to Unicef and other organisations. And now it's christmas time and we're a bit low at money.

    How much money shall I give you?



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 10.12.2006, 20:25


    How much? As much as you can give - less is more than nothing! As I said if a lot of people give a little it´s still enough!



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 10.12.2006, 20:27


    ok I will think about it :wink:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 10.12.2006, 20:37


    As I said, convince your friends as well! A good argument to do it is that you can save some people from freezing this year !!! Because the prices on oil and stuff are so extremely high for Native people on the Rez they can´t buy it to heat their houses ... so they stay cold for the winter! With a windfarm near by to serve them with energy they could afford a heater - it´s just an example ... not one of the main reasons why one should support windfarms, but it´s something that also still happens every year!!! A lot of Native people still do freeze each year in winter !!! They don´t even have wood to heat their houses ...



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 10.12.2006, 20:41


    I will do my best but I can't promiss anything :?



    Re: Help to save nature !

    evenstar - 11.12.2006, 02:43


    Anne, it is possible for me to get involved if you're buying them in euros? I can try to convince some of my friends, but unfortunately most of them aren't as concerned about these issues as I am!



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 11.12.2006, 10:16


    Sure, you can get involved as well ! I can talk to the people from my bank and ask them what´s the best way for international money transfer. It would be great, if you could convince some of your friends.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    evenstar - 12.12.2006, 02:34


    I'm going to try, but I know that at least one of them thinks that carbon offsetting is a cop out, like paying somebody money to erase your sins.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 13.12.2006, 19:38


    http://www.solarhouseday.com/index01.shtml for you evenstar



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 13.12.2006, 22:22


    newnativspirit wrote: And this happened here where I live today:

    08.12.2006
    Mehring: Windrad verliert Rotorblatt

    Am frühen Morgen ist ein Windrad auf der Mehringer Höhe auseinandergebrochen. Ein etwa 35 Meter langes Rotorblatt des ingesamt 113 Meter hohen Windrads brach ab, fiel herunter und zersplitterte in zahlreiche Stücke. Verletzt wurde niemand.
    Bereits gegen 6.45 Uhr meldete ein Autofahrer der Polizei, ein Windrad an der Kreisstraße 85 drehe sich außergewöhnlich schnell. Als Polizeibeamte der Schweicher Inspektion vor Ort eintrafen, brach ein etwa 35 Meter langes Rotorblatt ab. Obwohl nach Angaben der Polizei reger Verkehr auf der Kreisstraße herrschte, wurde niemand verletzt. Die Einzelteile verteilten sich großflächig auf umliegenden Wiesen und im Wald.

    Die Ursache des Unfalls ist noch völlig offen. Derzeit sind Experten der Betreiberfirma vor Ort. Die Höhe des Sachschadens steht noch nicht fest. Die Polizei hat den Bereich um das Windrad weiträumig abgesperrt, weil noch immer Teile des Rotorblattes herunter fallen. Neben der Polizeiinspektion Schweich sind auch Feuerwehr und Straßenmeisterei im Einsatz.

    Translation:
    In the early morning a wind turbine on the “Mehringer Höhe” has broken. An about 35 m long rotor sheet of the wind turbine, which is 113 m high, broke off, fell down and split in numerous pieces. Nobody was injured. Already around 6.45 o'clock a passing driver informed the police that a wind turbine turns extremely fast. When police officers arrived on site, an about 35 m long rotor sheet broke off. The parts of the rotor sheet spread on surrounding meadows and in the woods. The cause of the accident is still unknown. Experts of the company are on site. How big the damage to property is, is still not for sure. The police has blocked off the area around the wind turbine, because there are still parts of the rotor sheet falling down.






    We had extremely heavy storms in our area today !!! Also all over Germany/Europe !

    Wow that is something. I know here in KY we are having milder temps. Last January 2, 06 we had toronado's coming through it was around 70 degrees. Our weather here just keeps going up and down - one never knows how to dress anymore...and sickness is abounding.

    I grew up on a farm with a garden and we ate mostly from it. Also if there was meat needed - they'd butcher a cow, chicken, etc. Course I would not eat any of the meat. I hope the company doesn't give you grief over your project. Gosh I'm so sleepy.

    On my check from JCP I had a total of 60.5 hours of working part-time these last 2 weeks - in addition to working 40 hours a week at U fo L.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    evenstar - 14.12.2006, 02:58


    newnativspirit wrote: http://www.solarhouseday.com/index01.shtml for you evenstar

    Thanks Anne, I guess I missed it this year!



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 14.12.2006, 21:22


    enelya06 wrote: newnativspirit wrote: And this happened here where I live today:

    08.12.2006
    Mehring: Windrad verliert Rotorblatt

    Am frühen Morgen ist ein Windrad auf der Mehringer Höhe auseinandergebrochen. Ein etwa 35 Meter langes Rotorblatt des ingesamt 113 Meter hohen Windrads brach ab, fiel herunter und zersplitterte in zahlreiche Stücke. Verletzt wurde niemand.
    Bereits gegen 6.45 Uhr meldete ein Autofahrer der Polizei, ein Windrad an der Kreisstraße 85 drehe sich außergewöhnlich schnell. Als Polizeibeamte der Schweicher Inspektion vor Ort eintrafen, brach ein etwa 35 Meter langes Rotorblatt ab. Obwohl nach Angaben der Polizei reger Verkehr auf der Kreisstraße herrschte, wurde niemand verletzt. Die Einzelteile verteilten sich großflächig auf umliegenden Wiesen und im Wald.

    Die Ursache des Unfalls ist noch völlig offen. Derzeit sind Experten der Betreiberfirma vor Ort. Die Höhe des Sachschadens steht noch nicht fest. Die Polizei hat den Bereich um das Windrad weiträumig abgesperrt, weil noch immer Teile des Rotorblattes herunter fallen. Neben der Polizeiinspektion Schweich sind auch Feuerwehr und Straßenmeisterei im Einsatz.

    Translation:
    In the early morning a wind turbine on the “Mehringer Höhe” has broken. An about 35 m long rotor sheet of the wind turbine, which is 113 m high, broke off, fell down and split in numerous pieces. Nobody was injured. Already around 6.45 o'clock a passing driver informed the police that a wind turbine turns extremely fast. When police officers arrived on site, an about 35 m long rotor sheet broke off. The parts of the rotor sheet spread on surrounding meadows and in the woods. The cause of the accident is still unknown. Experts of the company are on site. How big the damage to property is, is still not for sure. The police has blocked off the area around the wind turbine, because there are still parts of the rotor sheet falling down.






    We had extremely heavy storms in our area today !!! Also all over Germany/Europe !

    Wow that is something. I know here in KY we are having milder temps. Last January 2, 06 we had toronado's coming through it was around 70 degrees. Our weather here just keeps going up and down - one never knows how to dress anymore...and sickness is abounding.

    I grew up on a farm with a garden and we ate mostly from it. Also if there was meat needed - they'd butcher a cow, chicken, etc. Course I would not eat any of the meat. I hope the company doesn't give you grief over your project. Gosh I'm so sleepy.

    On my check from JCP I had a total of 60.5 hours of working part-time these last 2 weeks - in addition to working 40 hours a week at U fo L.

    Cool you grow up on a farm. I wish I would grow up like that, too. And I would love to learn how to hunt and to skin something. Just to know it if I should ever need it, you know. :wink:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 23.12.2006, 19:24


    Doing More by Doing Less: American Indian Film Festival Fights Global Warming
    November 12th, 2006
    When it comes to fighting global warming, it’s what you don’t see that counts. Doing more by doing less. This year, the American Indian Film Festival (AIFF) is doing less.


    Native Wind, a South Dakota based non-profit dedicated to developing renewable energy resources on tribal lands, donated “Green Tags” to the AIFF—financial contributions used as credits to build clean energy wind farms.

    Pat Spears, President of the Intertribal Council on Utility Policy (COUP), presented the Green Tags certificate to AIFF president Michael Smith at the annual event November 11th in San Francisco. Afterward, he introduced a one-minute public service announcement video featuring his son, actor Eddie Spears and Lakota Chief Arvol Looking Horse.

    “The Green Tags donated to the Film Institute will offset 25 percent of travel expenses to the festival this year as well as cut down the emissions from the use of the venue,” says Spears. How this happens, he explains, is the funds from the Green Tags go toward buying wind turbines on reservation land—a clean, efficient energy resource with the proceeds directly benefiting the tribe.

    Lest you think this is largely ceremonial, think again. At a cost of approximately $1.3 million dollars, one wind turbine is capable of providing the energy needs of 300 homes for one year. Clean, renewable energy to offset the pollution causing global warming.

    “The investment of building the turbines is an upfront cost and still cheaper in the long run than running fossil fuel. By buying Green Tags, an average person can do something about reducing global warming,” says Spears. “It’s like a down payment. Twenty to 25 percent of the cost of one turbine can come from Green Tags; in fact, at the Rosebud Reservation, 25 percent of the funding came from Green Tags. That’s pretty significant.”

    Eddie and his actor brother Michael are actively involved in promoting Native Wind, and do everything from helping their father in the field, to speaking at colleges and universities. Their visibility as actors provides additional focus to the issue of clean energy.

    Whether an individual or company makes a sizable investment in Green Tags, or is able to buy a small amount, it all helps. The key, Spears emphasizes, is doing what you can to reduce global warming while promoting the welfare of Native people.
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    Don´t forget to buy "your" green-tag!!!



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 23.12.2006, 20:36


    I will bring some money when I visit you if it's ok :wink:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 06.01.2007, 01:06


    Anybody else who wants to buy green tags? Only 1 Euro would be enough!

    they just said it on the news : 2007 will be the warmest year ever ... caused by global warming ... damn, they were talking about the consequences that are to be expected ... wow - 2040 we could expect an effect on the changes we can make today !!! So what are we waiting for? To support Native Energy would be a beginning !!!



    Re: Help to save nature !

    evenstar - 06.01.2007, 14:15


    Yeah, I heard that on the news too. I hope it made people worried enough to take action!

    I'll chip in to buy some green tags :)



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 18.01.2007, 14:22


    wow - we have a bad storm coming up!!! It was already extremely windy this morning and because I was in kindergarten finishing the dreamcatchers, I´ve heard all the stories ... people came to pick up their kids earlier and school was off for the rest of the day. People are asked to stay at home - and believe me I WILL !!! - and the busses won´t drive anymore. Yeap - Germany is sleeping !!! We hope they can keep up the electricity - I don´t know if I can be online later on. They say it´s gonna get even worse till midnight !!! I am happy that I won´t have to go anywhere today ! It´s raining and the emergency cars are on the roard all the time ... you can´t even check out the weather on the internet, because those sites are too reflected right now ... everybody wants to check out what will happen. Maybe you can see it on your news. They say it´s because the temperatures have been really low - it was freezing but now there is coming some warm air from the Atlantic and that´s what is causing the storms, because the air is way too warm !!! Plus it´s way too warm for January at all ... we already got some spring flowers !!!!!

    Any more doubt that there is something going totally wrong ? :)



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 18.01.2007, 15:13


    It´s pretty scary outside !!! They say it´s all over Western Europe !! Idril, what is it like up there where you live? My son told me that there were trees on the streets when he came back home from school. I phoned him to come home earlier, because this street is well known for lots of accidents and so I didn´t want him to drive there in the middle of the storm.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 18.01.2007, 18:16


    It's just the same over here. Storm and rain. I fought my way to the stable to give the horses a free run lol When I came back I looked like I had been bathing with clothes on :wink:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 18.01.2007, 18:56


    Just now they said on the news that there are no trains will be going anywhere today !!!! Bridges are closed and already 3 people died !!! And it´s still getting worse outside - you should hear the wind blowing - it´s scary - my girls are a bit afraid



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 18.01.2007, 19:02


    I love it. lol



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 18.01.2007, 19:42


    me too, in some way, but it´s getting pretty dangerous! I´m glad I don´t have to go anywhere tonight and stay home ... we have to expect the worst in about an hour - in Great Britain there are already 5 dead people - glass is breaking and roofs are coming down - I don´t think it´s cool ... Holland is reporting dead people ...



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 18.01.2007, 19:44


    no, of course it's not cool when people die and I'm aso pretty that I don't have to go outside anymore lol But I still love to listen to the wind and the rain.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 18.01.2007, 19:53


    It does sound dangerous - I´m not afraid, but it´s a weird feeling I have ...



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 18.01.2007, 20:01


    I don't know why, but I feel good. Listening to a storm, walking through a forest and being with horses, that's what makes me feel good.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    evenstar - 19.01.2007, 03:02


    I agree, storms comfort me somehow. So it's just really windy and rainy? I can't believe that people all over Europe and being killed because of it. That is really awful.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 19.01.2007, 17:44


    same here for the storms ,it was horrible
    as far as we know 5 ppl died , above 10 ppl are badly injured ,and numerous ppl are normal hurt by the weather
    i saw the news ,they were shooting a mall ,and ppl who were walking on the streets were blown away ,literaly ,you saw a lot fo ppl fall and it were young ppl ,in their 20's and 30's
    it was really scary
    our nabour on your left had a relaly big old tree and it has been pulled out of the ground ,wel ti was still stuck in the ground but by only 1 root
    tiles are lose ,the fenches are broken ( nto just by my nabour ,but with a lot fo ppl in this hood) and the tree landed on my otehr nabours car 9 nabour of my right) he always sets his car there cause there is nto much space for cars in our street ,wel his car has scratches ,thankfully no bumbs ,cause it was a pretty new BMW cabriolet ,wel i'm just gladno one from our nabourhood got injured
    but a few mile sfurter a big accident happend ,5 cars bumbed at each other cause of the strong windblows that came and go'
    they forcasted that today would be similair but a bit less ,wel nothing happend so far ,so i hope this weather is over

    and Anne ,your roight about the flowers ,there are even trees that are blooming ,and not to mention the birds ,they haven't flown to the west for nicer weather cause the temperature here is to hot for this time of year
    it should be freezing ,instead it's like were still in September or October

    wel i just wanna wish everyone to be carefull with this weather ,for if it will start again this evening ,and plz stay inside when it happends
    :? :? :? :? :?
    btw in our country it was the first time they adviced ppl to STAY INSIDE which showed us how bad it was
    :? :? :? :? :?



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 19.01.2007, 19:42


    Well, the most of it is over. It's still very windy outside, but it's getting better already.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 19.01.2007, 23:45


    yes, it´s over ... for now! What´s coming next? Ain´t it scary?



    Re: Help to save nature !

    evenstar - 20.01.2007, 06:12


    I'm glad you guys are okay. I was a little worried when I saw the news.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 20.01.2007, 13:58


    Yes and the next storm is already coming up ... its name is "Lanzelot", if I got that right - lol

    There were 43 victims all over Europe - I guess 12 in Germany - SCARY



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 20.01.2007, 17:52


    yep, the next one is Lanzelot. :wink:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 20.01.2007, 18:57


    yes ,wel lets promiss we'll all stay indoors ,so nothing can happen to us :!: :!: :!:
    i don't want to miss my girls and i don't wnat you to get hurt ,so let's not be stubborn and go outdoors plz :!: :!: :?



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 20.01.2007, 19:05


    well, I can't promiss anything. Especially when the storm comes tomorrow morning. I have to care about a horse :wink:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 20.01.2007, 19:12


    Idril wrote: well, I can't promiss anything. Especially when the storm comes tomorrow morning. I have to care about a horse :wink:

    aaw but it's not safe ,can't someone else do it ,who lives next to the manege ( don't knwo if it's the same word in englihs ,hihi)
    or nearbye?
    this really makes me worried :? :? :? :?



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 20.01.2007, 19:14


    I'm the one who lives closest ;) And I know a lot of way where I don't have to pass any trees or things that could fly away and hit me. I will be fine, don't worry about me :wink:

    Btw I pmed you! :)



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 20.01.2007, 19:32


    Idril wrote: I'm the one who lives closest ;) And I know a lot of way where I don't have to pass any trees or things that could fly away and hit me. I will be fine, don't worry about me :wink:

    Btw I pmed you! :)

    wel i wil eb praying that nothing ahppends just in case
    praying doens't cost anything and it helps me out always :D



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 20.01.2007, 19:45


    lol ok Thank you :wink:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 20.01.2007, 22:34


    Idril wrote: lol ok Thank you :wink:

    your welcome :D



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 20.01.2007, 22:46


    Still no storm here



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 20.01.2007, 23:29


    No, they are not talking about another storm anymore ... but they are talking about ...


    SNOW



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 21.01.2007, 00:37


    newnativspirit wrote: No, they are not talking about another storm anymore ... but they are talking about ...


    SNOW

    YIPPIE :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:
    finally some snow ,wel let them ppl tellw hen it's gonna come so i can take a vacation , :lol: :lol: :lol:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 21.01.2007, 00:42


    for Germany they say, that we gonna have some snow on Tuesday



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 21.01.2007, 00:54


    newnativspirit wrote: for Germany they say, that we gonna have some snow on Tuesday
    wow so it will eb around the same time
    wel monday and tuesday i'll ahve to work ,so i hope it will be on wednesday :D
    can always hope ,rght !
    :lol:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 21.01.2007, 00:57


    yeap! the forecast might be wrong again anyways ...



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 21.01.2007, 01:06


    newnativspirit wrote: yeap! the forecast might be wrong again anyways ...
    yeah ,like always
    :lol: :lol:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 21.01.2007, 18:36


    newnativspirit wrote: No, they are not talking about another storm anymore ... but they are talking about ...


    SNOW

    Not here :cry:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 21.01.2007, 19:03


    Idril wrote: newnativspirit wrote: No, they are not talking about another storm anymore ... but they are talking about ...


    SNOW

    Not here :cry:

    aaaw *hugs*
    now i ahve to check if it's gonan snow here
    cause if it isn't snowing where you are ther eis a change fo not snowing here as wel
    i though NL and GM had same weather :?



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 21.01.2007, 19:09


    well, don't forget: Anne lives in Germany, too, and there they are talking about snow. I haven't heard anyone talking about snow in North-Germany :? :( :cry:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 21.01.2007, 19:14


    Idril wrote: well, don't forget: Anne lives in Germany, too, and there they are talking about snow. I haven't heard anyone talking about snow in North-Germany :? :( :cry:
    wel i live in the south of the netehrlands ,so is middle of germany
    we will just have to wait and see ,i gues



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 21.01.2007, 19:17


    yeah

    awwwww I want some snow. Just a bit. *cries* Oh, and a bit storm, so that the roof of our school might get damadged and school has to be cancelled for tomorrow :lol:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 21.01.2007, 19:42


    Idril wrote: yeah

    awwwww I want some snow. Just a bit. *cries* Oh, and a bit storm, so that the roof of our school might get damadged and school has to be cancelled for tomorrow :lol:

    ROFL
    you crazy girl
    :lol: :lol: :lol:
    wel you thought about it really good
    :lol:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 21.01.2007, 19:54


    naaaah... I'm not crazy :roll:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 26.02.2007, 10:23


    If you guys are still interested in buying Green Tags let me know. I told Pat that I know people who want to buy some and he was so happy and grateful. So I´m still trying to figure out how to do it, but I had the idea to open an NewNativeSpirit account in the States. With the help of my friend Nadja it should work and it will be the best way, I guess. But I still need to wait for Nadja´s answer. I´m thinking about doing the money transfer with PayPal, so I can transfer the money from NNS Germany to NNS USA. If you also do have PayPal, we could also do it directly from your account then. But we´ll have to wait and see. Just wanted to let you guys know, that I´m still thinking about it. So keep it on mind ... :wink: It would be great, if you would like to help to save our planet that way!



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 26.02.2007, 15:11


    newnativspirit wrote: If you guys are still interested in buying Green Tags let me know. I told Pat that I know people who want to buy some and he was so happy and grateful. So I´m still trying to figure out how to do it, but I had the idea to open an NewNativeSpirit account in the States. With the help of my friend Nadja it should work and it will be the best way, I guess. But I still need to wait for Nadja´s answer. I´m thinking about doing the money transfer with PayPal, so I can transfer the money from NNS Germany to NNS USA. If you also do have PayPal, we could also do it directly from your account then. But we´ll have to wait and see. Just wanted to let you guys know, that I´m still thinking about it. So keep it on mind ... :wink: It would be great, if you would like to help to save our planet that way!

    Hey sounds good - keep me posted.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 26.02.2007, 18:40


    I'm still interessted, but I don't know, how to give you the money. :?



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 26.02.2007, 19:06


    You can pay into my NNS Germany account.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Mela - 26.02.2007, 19:12


    What is green tags?



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 26.02.2007, 19:34


    wel you know i still want to buy them.
    i can transfer money form my accoutn to your German account
    so i'll pm you about it



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 26.02.2007, 19:38


    You buy a Green Tag and the money will go the windenergy projects to build new turbines on the reservations. You don´t need to buy a Green Tag, if you don´t have the money, but you can send me how much you want to give and together with the money of other people, I will go and buy the Green Tags in the name of NewNativeSpirit. By that, we can do it all together. But of course you can also buy a Green Tag - go and check it out again: www.nativewind.org !!!



    Re: Help to save nature !

    evenstar - 27.02.2007, 02:52


    I am still interested.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 27.02.2007, 14:50


    newnativspirit wrote: You buy a Green Tag and the money will go the windenergy projects to build new turbines on the reservations. You don´t need to buy a Green Tag, if you don´t have the money, but you can send me how much you want to give and together with the money of other people, I will go and buy the Green Tags in the name of NewNativeSpirit. By that, we can do it all together. But of course you can also buy a Green Tag - go and check it out again: www.nativewind.org !!!

    I am very interested but would I have to get an international money order to send to you.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 27.02.2007, 18:13


    If you want to spend the whole amount for one Green Tag you can do it directly by going to the website of Native Energy. But if you want to spend less, you can pay it into the NNS USA account (which will be at a bank in the States) and Nadja will use your money to get the Green Tags in the name of NNS ...



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 27.02.2007, 19:03


    newnativspirit wrote: You can pay into my NNS Germany account.

    that's the problem. I don't have an own account, so I have to ask my parents to transfere the money from their account, but they are not pretty happy with that idea. I'm still trying to convince my mum. That's easier than convincong my father.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 27.02.2007, 21:26


    newnativspirit wrote: If you want to spend the whole amount for one Green Tag you can do it directly by going to the website of Native Energy. But if you want to spend less, you can pay it into the NNS USA account (which will be at a bank in the States) and Nadja will use your money to get the Green Tags in the name of NNS ...

    oh ok -



    Re: Help to save nature !

    evenstar - 01.03.2007, 07:25


    How much is one green tag? I think you told us before, but it was more than I could afford or something...



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 01.03.2007, 10:56


    Give Green Tags
    The point of giving green tags is to financially support the development of renewable energy and ultimately to displace fuels which produce carbon dioxide and contribute to global warming.

    Buying green tags is easy
    This is the easiest way you can support the development of renewable energy. It only takes a few minutes to buy a green tag! You can choose exactly how much you want to invest, depending on your budget. For as little as $12 you can offset One Ton of carbon dioxide. Take a ton of C02 out of the air in the name of someone you love. Native Energy offers green tags in the form of greeting cards that you can buy online. For details and purchase of green tags please visit Native Energy.
    Green tags (also called Renewable Energy Credits or RECs or Tradable Renewable Credits or TRCs) represent the environmental benefit from clean power generation. When you buy a green tag, you are effectively displacing dirty coal, or other fossil fuels. Most importantly, you are replacing fossil fuels with with wind or solar energy and helping invest in a new, clean energy industry.

    Green tags from Native Energy finance future projects:
    Normally people can only buy green tags from renewable energy projects that are already built. In many cases these are big utilities that have ample means to finance renewable energy, but wouldn't do it without additional incentives.
    Native Wind is different because we use green tags to finance small energy projects that are in development. Without green tags these kinds of projects would not be built.

    WindBuilderssm 12 keeps 12 tons of CO2 out of the air. For 40¢ per day ($144), you can have the same impact on global warming as powering and heating the average U.S. household entirely with wind energy for a whole year. It's also the same as taking two average cars off the road for a year. WindBuilderssm 12 is available with a monthly payment option of $12.50 per month. Climate CoolTMCertified.

    WindBuilderssm 8 keeps 8 tons of CO2 out of the air. For 26¢ per day ($96), you can have the same impact on global warming as powering the average U.S. household entirely with wind energy for a whole year. It's also the same as taking one SUV off the road for a year. Climate CoolTMCertified.

    WindBuilderssm 6 keeps 6 tons of CO2 out of the air. For 20¢ per day ($72), you can have the same impact on global warming as taking the average car off the road for a year. It's also the same as powering and heating the average U.S. apartment entirely with wind energy for a whole year. Climate CoolTMCertified.

    WindBuilderssm 1 Gift – includes a free pint of Ben & Jerry’s! – keeps a whole ton of CO2 out of the air in the name of your child, your mom, or each of your friends, associates or employees. For just $15, you can give an educational gift that spreads the word and shows you care about global warming, climate change, and good ice cream!


    The WindBuilders info was on their website, but I can´t find them no more - maybe they changed it. I´ll ask Nadja about it, cause she already bought some Green Tags. But as I already told you, once we´ve opened the accounts, you can transfer the amount you can affort. Even if it´s only a little money, it still does help.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 01.03.2007, 17:22


    thank you for that info
    i think it will help new commers with knowledge of this treath !!



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 09.03.2007, 20:14


    For those who speak German ( I try to write a short English version)

    EU verpflichtet sich zu ehrgeizigen Klimazielen


    Brüssel (dpa) - Europa setzt im Kampf gegen den Klimawandel neue Maßstäbe. Der erste EU-Gipfel unter Vorsitz von Bundeskanzlerin Angela Merkel beschloss am Freitag in Brüssel, die erneuerbaren Energien massiv auszubauen und den Ausstoß gefährlicher Treibhausgase drastisch zu verringern.

    Merkel erwartet so die globale Führung der EU beim Klimaschutz und neue Jobs durch Milliarden-Investitionen in Umwelttechnologien. Für die schwierigen Verhandlungen bekam sie Lob von Frankreichs Präsident Jacques Chirac und Großbritanniens Premier Tony Blair.

    Bis 2020 will die EU den Ausstoß der gefährlichen Treibhausgase im Vergleich zu 1990 um ein Fünftel kappen. Der Anteil von Energie aus Sonne, Wasser, Wind und Biomasse soll bis dahin mit 20 Prozent verdreifacht werden. Streit gab es vor allem um die Rolle der Atomkraft, die unter anderem vom Frankreich als «saubere» Energiequelle propagiert wurde. Die EU-Kommission erhielt Aufträge, Berichte zur möglichen Einführung einer Steuer für Flugbenzin sowie einer Abgabe auf Flugtickets und einer schadstoffabhängigen Autobesteuerung vorzulegen.

    Der Gipfel beauftragte die Kommission auch, bis 2008 Vorschläge für einen flächendeckenden Einsatz von Energiesparlampen anstelle herkömmlicher Glühlampen auf Straßen und in Haushalten zu erarbeiten.

    EU-Kommissionspräsident José Manuel Barroso kündigte an, den Mitgliedstaaten schon im Herbst Vorschläge für die konkrete Umsetzung der Beschlüsse vorzulegen.

    Merkel würdigte - trotz der harten Debatten - die Atmosphäre bei dem zweitägigen Treffen. Sie hofft nun, bei den Feierlichkeiten zum 50. Geburtstag der Europäischen Union am 24. und 25. März in Berlin in ähnlichem Geist eine Aufbruchstimmung zu erreichen und die EU aus der Verfassungskrise führen zu können. Angesichts des Klima-Erfolgs wollen die Staats- und Regierungschefs die Bürger in einer «Berliner Erklärung» überzeugen, dass die EU ihnen bei den Herausforderungen des 21. Jahrhunderts beisteht.

    Blair und Barroso nannten das Erreichte ein «historisches Ergebnis». Merkel sagte: «Wir haben die Tür aufgestoßen zu einer vollkommen neuen Dimension der Kooperation in der Klimapolitik.» Sollten andere große Wirtschaftsblöcke in Asien und Amerika folgen, will die EU die CO2-Emissionen bis 2020 sogar um 30 Prozent reduzieren.

    Bei den Beratungen zeigte sich, dass Frankreich, Tschechien und Bulgarien auf den Einsatz ihrer Atomkraft im Kampf gegen die Erderwärmung beharren. Sie argumentierten, dass Kernenergie eine weitere CO2-Belastung vermeide. Die Kommission muss nun die unterschiedlichen Ausgangslagen zu Grunde legen, um das Ziel für erneuerbare Energien je Land festzulegen. Dabei müssten das bestehende Niveau der Öko-Energien, aber auch der nationale Energiemix einbezogen werden, lautete die Kompromissformel, um auch Kernenergie zu berücksichtigen.

    Über diese Fragen habe man «sehr gerungen», sagte Merkel. Es könne jetzt aber mit dem verbindlichen Ziel für erneuerbare Energien zu einem «wirklichen Technologie- und Innovationsschub in Europa» kommen.

    Mit Blick auf das Treffen der sieben führenden Industriestaaten und Russlands im Juni im Ostseebad Heiligendamm will Merkel als amtierende Vorsitzende der Runde den Klimaschutz weiter vorantreiben. «Die EU hat Handlungsfähigkeit bewiesen», sagte sie.

    Chirac zeigte sich auf seinem vermutlich letzten offiziellen EU-Gipfel von Merkel beeindruckt. «Das war nicht einfach zu bewerkstelligen: Frau Merkel hat das mit Intelligenz und Eleganz gemacht», sagte Chirac, der vermutlich am Sonntag erklären wird, nicht noch einmal im Präsidentschaftswahlkampf antreten zu wollen. Das «ökologische Europa» werde das «Leben des gesamten Planeten prägen».

    Die Klima-Diskussion drängte andere Themen in den Hintergrund. Dennoch beschlossen die Staats- und Regierungschefs die milliardenschweren Bürokratiekosten für die Industrie um ein Viertel bis 2012 abzubauen. Die Regierungschefs verpflichteten sich ihrerseits, ähnliche Anstrengungen in ihrer Heimat zu unternehmen.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 04.04.2007, 13:32


    if i read it correctly they cost $ 12 each
    and that helps to get rid of A TON of CO2
    8)



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 04.04.2007, 18:54


    Are you talking about that one?

    WindBuilderssm 1 Gift – includes a free pint of Ben & Jerry’s! – keeps a whole ton of CO2 out of the air in the name of your child, your mom, or each of your friends, associates or employees. For just $15, you can give an educational gift that spreads the word and shows you care about global warming, climate change, and good ice cream!


    As I said, for Europe it´s your own decision, cause when I will buy as much green tags as possible with the money I do get from supporters. And cause the exchange rate it will be different each single day ... so give what you are able to give. It´s fine with me, if it is less than 15 USD.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 08.04.2007, 15:37


    ooh are there different ones than?
    i thought Wind and Energy was combined
    so ti are 2 different projects under the same corporation?



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 08.04.2007, 21:38


    You are confusing me - lol

    Native Energy is selling the green tags - but Native Wind is telling us about it. If you go to their website you will find a link to Native Energy to purchase green tags, but this doesn´t work for Europe yet ...

    That´s why agreed with Pat, that European supporters can give what they want to give and I´ll take care of the rest ...



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 14.04.2007, 20:25


    ooh ,sorry for confusing you ,but i was confused myself
    :shock: :? :shock: :? :shock: :(
    thanks for explaining ,now i understand :)



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 08.08.2007, 17:45


    NativeEnergy's majority owner, the Intertribal Council On Utility Policy (COUP), was recognized for its commitment to renewable energy by receiving the World Clean Energy Award for Courage past June 15th.
    The awards, presented in Basel, Switzerland, highlight large-scale renewable energy projects and chose 9 of the best from over 70 nominated projects. This award honored COUP for its innovative demonstration of environmental justice and revitalization, and for its vision to create 3,000 MW of tribally owned wind across the northern Great Plains by 2015. The first step of this plan included the Rosebud Sioux Tribe's construction of the Alex Little Soldier Wind Turbine, built with NativeEnergy's financial support.
    http://www.cleanenergyawards.com/


    Bob and Patrick


    The winners of the Award



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 08.08.2007, 18:03


    Coolnes! :D



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 08.08.2007, 18:08


    Pat should have told me - I would have been there too - just to meet him and Bob and talk about business !!!!



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 08.08.2007, 18:24


    yeah, I thought about that, too, but didn't want to write it down. It wasn't that nice he didn't tell you about it.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 08.08.2007, 19:30


    maybe he didn't think you could get away but he should have still told you.

    I don't think men are as intuned as women are.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 08.08.2007, 21:47


    It´s in the past now ... I´ve sent him an email and congratulated him.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 09.08.2007, 02:56


    now is Pat sitting down and Bob standing up. this is very exciting and I'm extremely happy for them.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 09.08.2007, 13:52


    enelya06 wrote: now is Pat sitting down and Bob standing up.

    ????



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 09.08.2007, 14:28


    are one of those guys Eddie and Mikes father -



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 09.08.2007, 14:32


    Yes :wink:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 09.08.2007, 14:42


    newnativspirit wrote: Yes :wink:


    Wich one



    Re: Help to save nature !

    redc - 09.08.2007, 16:23


    enelya06 wrote: newnativspirit wrote: Yes :wink:


    Wich one

    In the first little photo - the one holding the award, long hair, gray suit, quite tall.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 09.08.2007, 16:42


    awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww - why are you telling my secret? LOL

    yes, that´s Pat - you can tell, cause Ed and Mike do have a lot in common with their dad ... :wink:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 09.08.2007, 17:04


    Me sorry for telling your secret :cry:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 10.08.2007, 18:44


    newnativspirit wrote: awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww - why are you telling my secret? LOL

    yes, that´s Pat - you can tell, cause Ed and Mike do have a lot in common with their dad ... :wink:
    they do ,specially eddie :wink:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 10.08.2007, 19:49


    I think eddie favors his dad - I mean they both do but Eddie more.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 11.08.2007, 02:02


    what do you mena by favors?
    is it Looks more like
    or just likes his dad more?

    ( i think i'm confusing msyelf :lol: )



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 11.08.2007, 14:49


    favor is a word we use to say looks like. For example - everyone tells me Keri favor's her dad - instead of saying Keri looks like her dad more than she does me.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 12.08.2007, 00:02


    ok ,cause what i've learn it can also mean
    Prefer to
    she likes sweets
    just an example
    thank you for explaining :lol:

    it could also been thougth to me in another language ,like French or even Arabic
    i don't know
    like i said in another topic
    i'm a bit zoned out this week
    so sorry for my strange questions & posts :lol:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 12.08.2007, 05:07


    Hey we all get zoned out from time to time.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 12.08.2007, 20:12


    that's true :D
    but lately it's been happening a lot
    don't know why :?:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 12.08.2007, 21:20


    Join my club, eddiefever :lol: It's the same with me :lol: :lol:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 13.08.2007, 03:16


    I need to be in their two :wink:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 13.08.2007, 21:21


    WOW
    ok
    now that makes me feel much better :lol:
    Hugs



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 13.08.2007, 22:22


    I'm even more zoned out today - it's been wild - you'd think it was the first day of the semester. I am more than ready to get out of here.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    evenstar - 21.08.2007, 14:39


    newnativspirit wrote: NativeEnergy's majority owner, the Intertribal Council On Utility Policy (COUP), was recognized for its commitment to renewable energy by receiving the World Clean Energy Award for Courage past June 15th.
    The awards, presented in Basel, Switzerland, highlight large-scale renewable energy projects and chose 9 of the best from over 70 nominated projects. This award honored COUP for its innovative demonstration of environmental justice and revitalization, and for its vision to create 3,000 MW of tribally owned wind across the northern Great Plains by 2015. The first step of this plan included the Rosebud Sioux Tribe's construction of the Alex Little Soldier Wind Turbine, built with NativeEnergy's financial support.
    http://www.cleanenergyawards.com/

    [img]

    http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g39/newnativespirit/cat9_sioux_P6158716__Custom___Custo.jpg[/img]
    Bob and Patrick


    The winners of the Award

    This is great news! Go Pat!



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 29.08.2007, 23:50


    To those who want to support NNS buying as many green tags as possible, I suggest to sign up at PayPal. It´s the cheapest and a save way to transfer money.

    https://www.paypal.com/

    Let me know, if anybody wants to do it that way and I´ll send you a money request for the amount you want to give. I´ll buy the green tags by myself when I´m in the States and we´ll get a certificate ! If you have any further questions feel free to contact me.

    Thank you !!!



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 02.09.2007, 17:01


    Hey, I can't make a paypal account. But you have still a bit money for me, don't you? Use that for buying green tags :wink:

    Btw. wrote you a pm.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 08.09.2007, 12:04


    Announcement!

    NativeEnergy on NBC Nightly News!
    Tune in to NBC Nightly News at 6.30 pm EST .

    Don't miss this!
    As a valued NativeEnergy partner we're sure you won't want to miss NBC Nightly News' coverage of two new NativeEnergyprojects this week.

    NBC will feature the Owl Feather War Bonnet Wind Project on the Rosebud Sioux Reservation in South Dakota, and the Wanner Family Dairy Farm Methane Project in Pennsylvania. We are excited about this national coverage both for NativeEnergy and the renewable energy and high quality carbon offset markets.

    In case you miss it, please visit our website to watch it after the network premier.

    Thank you again for your continued support!

    http://nativeenergy.qm4.net/a/1/7731588/304460/default.aspx



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 08.09.2007, 12:15


    Idril wrote: Hey, I can't make a paypal account. But you have still a bit money for me, don't you? Use that for buying green tags :wink:

    Btw. wrote you a pm.


    How much you want me to spend on green tags?

    Eddiefever, did you think about PayPal ? You only have to use my email address (info@newnativespirit.de)

    I want to transfer the money to the NNS account in the US and buy the green tags when I´m in the States in November.

    Anybody else who wants to support NNS in buying green tags ?



    Re: Help to save nature !

    redc - 09.09.2007, 16:58


    newnativspirit wrote: Announcement!

    NativeEnergy on NBC Nightly News!
    Tune in to NBC Nightly News at 6.30 pm EST .

    Don't miss this!
    As a valued NativeEnergy partner we're sure you won't want to miss NBC Nightly News' coverage of two new NativeEnergyprojects this week.

    NBC will feature the Owl Feather War Bonnet Wind Project on the Rosebud Sioux Reservation in South Dakota, and the Wanner Family Dairy Farm Methane Project in Pennsylvania. We are excited about this national coverage both for NativeEnergy and the renewable energy and high quality carbon offset markets.

    In case you miss it, please visit our website to watch it after the network premier.

    Thank you again for your continued support!

    http://nativeenergy.qm4.net/a/1/7731588/304460/default.aspx

    Mmmm...did they give a date when it would be on? Watching NBC last night and nada - I'll check it out tonight to see if it's on.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 09.09.2007, 20:14


    Now I get NBC[/center]



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 09.09.2007, 20:23


    they didn´t say when - no date



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 10.09.2007, 06:38


    newnativspirit wrote: Idril wrote: Hey, I can't make a paypal account. But you have still a bit money for me, don't you? Use that for buying green tags :wink:

    Btw. wrote you a pm.


    How much you want me to spend on green tags?

    Eddiefever, did you think about PayPal ? You only have to use my email address (info@newnativespirit.de)

    I want to transfer the money to the NNS account in the US and buy the green tags when I´m in the States in November.

    Anybody else who wants to support NNS in buying green tags ?

    Take it all for buying greentags. We will forget it anyway when we meet again :wink:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 10.09.2007, 14:07


    I can give you some when we meet.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 10.09.2007, 14:09


    cool - thank you!



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 12.09.2007, 09:50


    newnativspirit wrote: Idril wrote: Hey, I can't make a paypal account. But you have still a bit money for me, don't you? Use that for buying green tags :wink:

    Btw. wrote you a pm.


    How much you want me to spend on green tags?

    Eddiefever, did you think about PayPal ? You only have to use my email address (info@newnativespirit.de)

    I want to transfer the money to the NNS account in the US and buy the green tags when I´m in the States in November.

    Anybody else who wants to support NNS in buying green tags ?

    i'll try to figure Pay-Pal out again'
    lets keep our fingers crossed that i'll ge t it :lol:
    even internetbanking had to be teached to me :oops:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 12.09.2007, 11:45


    I may try to set up a paypal account at some point down the road



    Re: Help to save nature !

    redc - 14.09.2007, 15:32


    HI ya - someone posted this link at Eddie's imdb page, so I thought I'd share it here.

    World Clean Energy Awards, supposedly Patrick and Bob are in the video - I haven't had time to watch myself (yet).

    Also - I've been trying to catch the NBC news but no such luck.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 14.09.2007, 16:06


    I'll check it out later on when it's not so crowded in my office.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 14.09.2007, 17:03


    yes, it´s the same link that I´ve already put up here! For me the videos are not working ... can´t watch them



    Re: Help to save nature !

    redc - 14.09.2007, 18:10


    newnativspirit wrote: yes, it´s the same link that I´ve already put up here! For me the videos are not working ... can´t watch them

    Yeah, I thought so, just wasn't sure. :lol:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 14.09.2007, 20:55


    OOH MY
    Eddie looks so much like Pat :o
    it's so 8) that He & Bob won an award
    :D



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 14.09.2007, 21:56


    I didn't see Eddie.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    redc - 15.09.2007, 03:09


    eddiefever wrote: OOH MY
    Eddie looks so much like Pat :o
    it's so 8) that He & Bob won an award
    :D

    I have to agree - after watching the longer video there is a side profile of their dad and there is a definite similarity between Eddie and his Dad - same nose, similar profiles. It was also great hearing their dad speaking Lakota.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 15.09.2007, 04:48


    there was a longer video? um maybe I should go back and check it out.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 15.09.2007, 08:49


    still can´t watch it ... :cry:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 15.09.2007, 22:14


    redc wrote: eddiefever wrote: OOH MY
    Eddie looks so much like Pat :o
    it's so 8) that He & Bob won an award
    :D

    I have to agree - after watching the longer video there is a side profile of their dad and there is a definite similarity between Eddie and his Dad - same nose, similar profiles. It was also great hearing their dad speaking Lakota.
    i only saw the short one
    i couldn't watch the long video :?

    i would have loved to hear Patrick speak



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 18.09.2007, 22:14


    i made some screencaps of the video
    Enjoy !!!

    http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/2843/patrickspeaksaward0ca6.png

    http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/4013/patrickspeaksaward5qd9.png

    http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/7995/patrickspeaksaward2km1.png

    you can copy them ,but plz let me know if you do :D



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 19.09.2007, 04:21


    Thanks bunches



    Re: Help to save nature !

    redc - 19.09.2007, 20:23


    You rock eddiefever! That first one is the shot where I think Papa Spears has a very, very similar profile to Eddie.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 19.09.2007, 21:23


    didn´t you say you couldn´t watch the long video either ... how come you finally made it?



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 19.09.2007, 21:33


    Still can´t watch it! :cry:

    Hey, I might be wrong, but this looks like Eddie ...



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 20.09.2007, 04:10


    it does look like Eddie. I don't know why I couldn't get it the first time maybe my system was glitched.

    My mouth hurts and I need to get back in bed.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    emerald - 20.09.2007, 16:39


    newnativspirit wrote: Still can´t watch it! :cry:

    Hey, I might be wrong, but this looks like Eddie ...




    Hehehe, it IS Eddie! :D You all didn't see the native energy video with eddie speaking in it??? Well for those who didn't here it is:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=MN6bZadqkow


    You can also find it on the official Native wind website.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 20.09.2007, 17:28


    thanks for sharing - my mouth is somewhat better today.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 20.09.2007, 18:31


    yep - that´s what I thought when I saw the pic.

    I was supposed to get the PSA for the festival back here in Germany, but for some reason never got it ...



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 20.09.2007, 23:23


    newnativspirit wrote: didn´t you say you couldn´t watch the long video either ... how come you finally made it?
    no i can only watch the short video
    not the 15 minute video :cry:

    i really want to hear Patrick Speak :?



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 20.09.2007, 23:24


    redc wrote: You rock eddiefever! That first one is the shot where I think Papa Spears has a very, very similar profile to Eddie.

    me 2
    tin that oen you ee it the most
    but everything ,the way he shakes hands
    it's just funny to see Eddie being so similair to his dad ,from apearance :D



    Re: Help to save nature !

    redc - 21.09.2007, 02:53


    eddiefever wrote: newnativspirit wrote: didn´t you say you couldn´t watch the long video either ... how come you finally made it?
    no i can only watch the short video
    not the 15 minute video :cry:

    i really want to hear Patrick Speak :?

    I'll try and sort something out this weekend about the 15 minute video so those who can't see it can.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 21.09.2007, 08:45


    That would be great ! Thank you!



    Re: Help to save nature !

    redc - 21.09.2007, 15:32


    Okay so I tried something this morning @ work and it didn't work so I talked to my I.T. guy. If you're using Internet Explorer or Netscape the 15 minute video won't work - he said it's missing a code. It works with Safari (Macs) and Mozilla Firefox (PCs). His suggestion was to download Mozilla.

    I'm still going to try something on Mac this weekend to hopefully get it to work.

    Cheers. :D



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 21.09.2007, 15:57


    I have Mozilla Firebird for my emails ... and I know I used to have it for my internet connection as well, but obviously my son did some changes at my computer ... :? I´ll ask him about it though. Thanks for letting us know.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 21.09.2007, 16:36


    I have internet explorer. :cry:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 21.09.2007, 18:03


    enelya06 wrote: I have internet explorer. :cry:
    me 2 :cry:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 21.09.2007, 18:56


    ok - it´s Mozilla Thunderbird - lol



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 21.09.2007, 19:26


    I finally was able to watch the video. Pat is speaking in the end of it. His voice sounds totally different when he is speaking Lakota! I´m really proud to be allowed to support him and his projects !!! It´s an honor !
    This is just the beginning - I hope that much that the world is realizing what he and all the others are doing. It´s only one world and we all are a part of it - we all do watch our homes very carefully; why did we forget to watch our basic home? We all need to take action before it´s too late!
    NewNativeSpirit will keep up supporting Pat Spears, Intertribal COUP, Native Wind and NativeEnergy and I hope you, the members of this board, will help me with this. Thank you!

    "For us Lakota using wind power is like the comeback of the bison on which we depended."
    Pat Spears



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 21.09.2007, 21:01


    hear hear! i will continue to support - how about the rest of you



    Re: Help to save nature !

    redc - 22.09.2007, 02:02


    I will and do, it bothers me to no end how my government doesn't seem interested in exploring wind energy or other renewable energy sources. Oohh lets continuing using coal to create energy - yeah - that's a good idea - NOT.

    For those who can't see it I'm still going to try and sort something out. :D



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 22.09.2007, 04:27


    Oh yes so more people can die of Black Lung - and the hills of Eastern KY look terrible with all the stripping of the lands. Coal dust everywhere. but then that is our government.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 22.09.2007, 10:52


    The German government starts to think about it at least. And our president Mrs. Merkel really made some people in the EU listen, but it will still take them years to make a remarkable change ... hope it won´t be too late then.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    redc - 24.09.2007, 21:14


    Well I tried everything I knew and had no luck - the only thing I can suggest is for those on Internet Explorer to download Mozilla Firefox. Sorry.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 24.09.2007, 21:15


    that otay



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 25.09.2007, 15:31


    Soccer lady did that for NewNativeSpirit. What do you think? Any suggestions or do you think that it´s already perfect :wink: ?
    The banner can be put up on other websites to support NewNativeSpirit and Pat Spears.


    click on the image to see a larger version



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 25.09.2007, 15:52


    Hey I like that -



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Liadan - 25.09.2007, 17:31


    Wow, is this the banner I can put on my MySpace? How do I link that to NNS or Pat's page?



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 25.09.2007, 17:34


    I like it, too :wink:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    redc - 25.09.2007, 18:42


    Liadan wrote: Wow, is this the banner I can put on my MySpace? How do I link that to NNS or Pat's page?

    So that brings me to a question - I know that Native Energy has a Myspace page, but does Native Wind have one (I don't think so, but not 100%)?



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 25.09.2007, 19:12


    I was wondering that myself. It's been a long day and afternoon - been busy as a bee.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 26.09.2007, 11:09


    Liadan wrote: Wow, is this the banner I can put on my MySpace? How do I link that to NNS or Pat's page?

    Yep! I´ll send you all the info you need soon !!! Be patient :wink: !



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Liadan - 26.09.2007, 11:20


    I am! I am - Well I try :D



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Liadan - 27.09.2007, 09:37


    PS: at the weekend I talked to my cousin and he told me he's got a new job as a welder in a company which produces wind turbines. ^^ This is where it comes full circle :D



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 27.09.2007, 11:29


    What´s the company´s name?



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Liadan - 27.09.2007, 17:06


    Ok.. I don't know. I didn't ask. Now you ask me that I feel really stupid^^. I was just so happy that he at least found a job. But I'll ask him next time. It's a company somewhere in Land Brandenburg and as my cousin tells they are expanding and always looking for new employees.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 27.09.2007, 17:58


    I´m glad he found a job ... I wish I would already have a new job ... well ...

    yep - find out - I´m curious



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Liadan - 27.09.2007, 18:14


    Yap! especially in rural areas it's really hard to find a job. My cousin first was in army for 2 years but then he had to go. glad he found another job.

    What's wrong with your job?



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 27.09.2007, 18:21


    see the German thread - it´s easier to explain in German ... the others do already know the story ...



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Liadan - 28.09.2007, 09:16


    ok - thx.

    I don't know when I talk to my cousin next time. Because he's always on the road. But don't worry - sooner or later I will get him.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 01.10.2007, 23:56


    newnativspirit wrote: Soccer lady did that for NewNativeSpirit. What do you think? Any suggestions or do you think that it´s already perfect :wink: ?
    The banner can be put up on other websites to support NewNativeSpirit and Pat Spears.


    click on the image to see a larger version

    ooh wow ,could i use it as a signature on other forums?

    Ps: maybe change the red color of GREEN TAGS ,into green :?:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 02.10.2007, 08:50


    we tried this out already, but you could hardly read it then ! :wink:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Liadan - 02.10.2007, 13:10


    I really like it though^^...



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 02.10.2007, 13:46


    yes it is very nice



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 02.10.2007, 21:33


    newnativspirit wrote: we tried this out already, but you could hardly read it then ! :wink:

    ooh ok
    wel than don't change anything ,cause i like it
    the red color looked much better anyway :D
    i only thought of the color ,cause they are called Green :lol:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 02.10.2007, 21:49


    yes, that was the basic idea ... but it didn´t work out ...



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 23.10.2007, 21:23


    Last chance to send me money to buy GREEN TAGS while I´m in the States !!!



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Liadan - 24.10.2007, 07:26


    You'll get it with the money for the DVDs - is it ok when I send it per PayPal?



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 24.10.2007, 13:25


    no problem - just let me know when you will send it, so I´ll check my pay pal account and transfer it onto my account. This will take a week.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Liadan - 24.10.2007, 17:28


    I think I'll do it tomorrow. I never did paypal, so it could take me a while til I figured out how it works. but it sure will be tomorrow



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 24.10.2007, 17:53


    paypal is soooooooooooooo easy to handle ...



    Re: Help to save nature !

    evenstar - 29.10.2007, 04:36


    Oh dear, did I miss the boat? I've never used paypal before and electronic banking scares me...



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Liadan - 29.10.2007, 09:08


    evenstar wrote: Oh dear, did I miss the boat? I've never used paypal before and electronic banking scares me...

    It's actually not that bad. Security systems keep going better. I nearly do all my banking online and til now nothing really happened *knock on wood*



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 29.10.2007, 11:22


    eddiefever? green tags?



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 29.10.2007, 13:48


    One week left.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Liadan - 29.10.2007, 15:55


    If you don't mind i'll ask a silly question: are these green tags just symbolic or do we really get tags?



    Re: Help to save nature !

    mouseears89 - 30.10.2007, 05:03


    Anne- are these Green Tags the same as the Carbon Credits that Al Gore is buying? I think I got lost in the topic somewhere?



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 30.10.2007, 13:51


    mouseears89 wrote: Anne- are these Green Tags the same as the Carbon Credits that Al Gore is buying? I think I got lost in the topic somewhere?

    LG&E our electric company here in Kentucky is working with Eon (sorry probably spelled wrong) in the wind energy venue. They have even been advertising "green houses" that are made solely out of organic stuff that is supposed to be better for the enviroment.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 31.10.2007, 13:42


    Liadan wrote: If you don't mind i'll ask a silly question: are these green tags just symbolic or do we really get tags?


    I´ll get a certificate that I bought green tags to support building wind farms ... something like that.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 31.10.2007, 13:44


    mouseears89 wrote: Anne- are these Green Tags the same as the Carbon Credits that Al Gore is buying? I think I got lost in the topic somewhere?

    These Green Tags are sold by Native Energy and Native Wind ... I´m not updated on the Al Gore topics ... but I guess it´s the same idea behind it.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 01.11.2007, 00:21


    newnativspirit wrote: eddiefever? green tags?

    sorry ,girl
    i haven't checked PayPall out (again)
    cause i have little time
    i'll go to the website right now
    so i won't forget it

    EDIT:
    that went pretty fast
    i still had my old account & now know what i did wrong :oops: :lol:
    now it works
    (wel i need to do a transfer before i know for 100% )
    so Anne ,could you PM me with the Bank/Giro number where i need to send transfer the money?
    PS: maybe you also know how much the BMHAWK dvd costs ,so i could send that one as wel (i can also make 2 transfers out of it ,if you wish)

    i really never though it would go so easy ,but than again they have changed their page
    which now looks much more organiced than when i made that account (which was when they we pages only existed for a couple of days )`

    PPS: it will take 5 till 7 days before i can use my account
    (need to transfer money on it ,but why? i thought it was the same as Internet banking? *shugs*)
    anyway ,i'll transfer the money as soon as it is possible



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Liadan - 01.11.2007, 10:45


    Quote: (need to transfer money on it ,but why? i thought it was the same as Internet banking? *shugs*)

    I think it is to verify your account. They want to check that you are a real person and no computer



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 01.11.2007, 12:20


    eddiefever wrote: newnativspirit wrote: eddiefever? green tags?

    sorry ,girl
    i haven't checked PayPall out (again)
    cause i have little time
    i'll go to the website right now
    so i won't forget it

    EDIT:
    that went pretty fast
    i still had my old account & now know what i did wrong :oops: :lol:
    now it works
    (wel i need to do a transfer before i know for 100% )
    so Anne ,could you PM me with the Bank/Giro number where i need to send transfer the money?
    PS: maybe you also know how much the BMHAWK dvd costs ,so i could send that one as wel (i can also make 2 transfers out of it ,if you wish)

    i really never though it would go so easy ,but than again they have changed their page
    which now looks much more organiced than when i made that account (which was when they we pages only existed for a couple of days )`

    PPS: it will take 5 till 7 days before i can use my account
    (need to transfer money on it ,but why? i thought it was the same as Internet banking? *shugs*)
    anyway ,i'll transfer the money as soon as it is possible

    you first need to transfer the money onto your paypal account then you can tranfer it from paypal onto my account ...



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 01.11.2007, 20:00


    ok ,so it will take at least 1 week
    i don't know how long a transfer from me to you takes
    but it doesn't mather right?
    cause you can get on your PayPall account when your in the US ,right?



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 18.11.2007, 07:02


    we called Pat last night and asked him about how to get the money to the project and we will send a check to him. He says "Thank you" for your support!



    Re: Help to save nature !

    eddiefever - 22.11.2007, 00:38


    newnativspirit wrote: we called Pat last night and asked him about how to get the money to the project and we will send a check to him. He says "Thank you" for your support!
    ok
    i'll transfer the money ebfore the end of the week
    (if i forget Please send me a PM or email)
    cause of the christmas & sinterklaas season i have to work a lot
    so i might forget



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 09.02.2008, 00:05


    Press Release

    3C and NativeEnergy Form International Partnership

    3C and NativeEnergy Form International Partnership Providing Quality Carbon Reduction Solutions To European & U.S. Markets

    Frankfurt, Germany/Vermont, U.S.A. - 3C and NativeEnergy, two major purveyors of the voluntary high-quality carbon market, announce the first intercontinental partnership between a European based offset provider and a leading U.S. provider. The formation of this large-scale alliance will have significant impact on the development and sustainment of high quality carbon offset projects across the globe.

    The partnership provides a unique opportunity for 3C to supply European clients with high-quality U.S. based offsets, while NativeEnergy can now make Verified Emission Reductions (VERs) available to their U.S. client base.

    “We are very pleased to enter into a partnership with 3C to further the development of high quality carbon offsets projects both in the U.S. and around the world,” says Tom Boucher, President of U.S. based NativeEnergy. “The opportunity to collaborate with a leading company who shares in our value to ensure the development of high-quality projects is exciting.”

    “As the demand for voluntary offset credits is rapidly increasing, this partnership will set the scene for professional and globally integrated carbon solutions,” says Sascha Lafeld, Board Member of 3C Holding AG. “While there is a lot of discussion about fungibility and the need for harmonization for carbon credit standards, this partnership offers clients first hand practical and credible GHG emission reduction solutions”, adds Björn Fischer, Managing Director of 3C - The Carbon Credit Company LLC, 3C’s recently launched US subsidiary based in Washington DC.

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    3C Group is one of the global principal vendors of carbon credits for the voluntary carbon market, providing comprehensive carbon offsetting services to major international corporate clients. As one of the leading Carbon Asset Management firms in Europe, Factor3C originates and procures carbon credits from CDM and JI projects around the world. With a track record in high quality carbon credit generation, carbon finance, and as a service provider for carbon risk management solutions, further information can be found at www.3c-company.com.


    NativeEnergy is a leading provider in quality offsets, offering U.S. individuals and organizations a means to compensate for their global warming pollution and effectively power homes and businesses with renewable energy. Through a patent-pending business process bringing upfront payment to renewable projects for their estimated future REC output, NativeEnergy enables its customers to help directly finance the construction of specific new wind farms and other renewable energy projects. NativeEnergy is the trusted choice of leading environmentally and socially responsible organizations. More information can be obtained at www.nativeenergy.com.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 12.02.2008, 07:09


    cool thanks for the update.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 12.02.2008, 10:12


    you are welcome. I´ll contact this company and see if we can cooperate in some way.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    enelya06 - 12.02.2008, 16:04


    Great! I'm still at home, had to go out and scrape ice off the cars. they have us on 2 hour delay - provided some of us can even get in. I got some good photos I hope. It's supposed to turn to rain and wash all of this away. If I can get in I will if not my boss told me not to worry about it. I probably should go out and shut my car off - man the ice.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 12.02.2008, 19:28


    We already have spring weather ... on TV they said that we can expect a loooooooooooooooooong and nice spring season thanks global warming! We only had 2 days of snow and not enough freezing days this winter ... this is not good for the nature ... I wonder if we will have a warm summer at least - last year we had too much rain and it was way too cold for summer time ...



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 12.02.2008, 20:07


    It's so warm here. I run around in a T-Shirt half of the day, because it's too hot to do my training in a pullover. But I'm still waiting for snow :cry: I fear I wont have some this winter :cry: :cry: :cry:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 12.02.2008, 20:52


    CLIMATE CHANGE !



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 12.02.2008, 21:49


    Not only. It's not that uncommong to have three or for winters in a row without - well - real winters.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 13.02.2008, 10:52


    maybe it´s because you are so much younger than I am ... LOL ... but when I was a little kid we used to have tons of snow every year - even a white Christmas !!!!
    Daniel is your age and if I remember it right he was lucky to have some snow winters when he was a little kid as well, but it never lasted long ! The last time we had snow for Christmas was back in 2001 I guess ...
    Climate change doesn´t happen for the past 5 years - it´s already happening for a little while longer - lol - so if one can remember wonderful white winters and has to deal with our "warm" winters today, one can talk about climate change, young girl. :wink:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 13.02.2008, 17:55


    But you also have to think about the area you live in. If I remember it right my mum (from south-germany) had alsways more snow than my dad (from north-germany). It's true that climate change has it's effect on everything, but not everything is the climate change's fault.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 13.02.2008, 18:10


    I´m talking about the area I live in ... when I talk about having lots of snow when I was a kid, I talk about the same area I live today and so I see how it changed ... and this is in fact a climate change thing. I know it, because a man living here in my town collected all the dates from the past 100 years and together with farmers and forest rangers they did studies to find out how the weather changed here in our area - like finding out about rain and dryness periods and if it comes only every 10 years (for example) or if one can talk about a durable change of the climate in our area ... and that´s what it is ...

    It´s a fact that the eart is warming up like 2 degrees or something like that every year - caused by the rotation and some other things ... this has nothing to do with the climate, but climate change is a big threat and we all can see the signs !!! There´s always been a climate change since the earth is excisting, but we advanced it in the past years !!!



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 14.02.2008, 10:01


    I'm not trying to fight with you, just to make that clear :wink:

    It's just that - as far as I know - there yurely is climate change, but everything that happens today people say it was the climate change and that's not always true. Climate change always happened. Sometimes caused by catastrophes, sometimes climate changed more slowly. We can make it more slowly, but we can't stop it. That's what I think. That doesn't mean we should go on destroying everything. It just means we should be more careful, but accept, that we can't stop the climate change.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 14.02.2008, 11:07


    I´m not fighting with you :wink: and you are right too, but we need to see the signs and for me the missing snow is a sign.

    I agree with you that there´s always been a climate change - that´s what I meant by saying that our planet is constantly warming up ... but with all the air pollution we really supported the climate change.

    Hey, what do you think where all these weather proverbs are coming from - weather situations can repeat every whatever years ... but you have to admit that the weather isn´t like it should be ... we just need to be aware of the fact that human beings can influence it in some way ...

    Do you agree?

    I´m the last one to fight ... :D



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 14.02.2008, 11:22


    I agree on that. I think I missunderstood you a bit :oops: Sorry.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 14.02.2008, 11:33


    no problem



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Liadan - 14.02.2008, 11:52


    ok.. i'll have to say something about that. this semester we had Geography at university and talked about this. I don't believe that humans are responsible for the warming of the earth. It's always been there (My professor says that we live in an intermission between two iceages and that we still have 15°c UNDER the average temperatures for these intermissions)
    But humans are responsible for all the CO2 in the athmosphere. and that's something we can't calculate which affects it has on our planet. So we must be aware of the CO2 and not only climate.
    But it's true.. lots of older people told me that in former times winter was real winter abd spring took much longer.

    Did you know that scientists found some submontane lakes under Antarctica? These lakes are cut from the rest of the world since millions of years. Imagine what animals could still live there. They didn't break through to the lakes yet because they don't want to contaminate it.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 14.02.2008, 12:07


    ... and they should leave the lakes where they are! Just imagine what kind of strange world this must be!



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Liadan - 14.02.2008, 12:47


    yep.. but I'm really curious about it... maybe they develop something that enables us to see whats inside the lakes without contaminating them - or us :)



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 14.02.2008, 12:53


    yes, who knows what´s in there :?



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Liadan - 14.02.2008, 13:10


    Godzilla :lol:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 14.02.2008, 13:11


    LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

    that would be bad !!! But there could in fact be some strange animals in there ...



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 14.02.2008, 21:39


    Now I'm scared.... :? :shock:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 14.02.2008, 21:48


    ain´t this a good idea for your next story?



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Liadan - 14.02.2008, 23:35


    .. with the title "beyond Antarctica" :wink:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 15.02.2008, 18:11


    Sure it's a good idea and I could write a story about it but there are already such stories and films (look at Alien vs. Predator for example). I rather write my fantasy stories :wink:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 15.02.2008, 18:36


    it can be a fantasy story, too. Just imagine there are fairy people living in a wonderful underwater world ... defending there world from us or something like that.

    But this is not the thread to discuss this :wink:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 15.02.2008, 19:43


    Atlantis lol :lol:

    jep, let's get back to the topic. :wink:



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Liadan - 23.03.2008, 23:14


    hey, look what I found : a smiley hugging the world^^



    Re: Help to save nature !

    evenstar - 26.03.2008, 08:15


    Aww, how sweet.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 26.03.2008, 13:09


    yes, that´s cool !!!



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 29.03.2008, 21:59


    Help End Discrimination Against Tribal Energy Projects

    Currently, Native American tribes aren't eligible for the federal
    production tax credit available to non-tribal project owners under law.
    Without this 2 cents per kWh tax credit, most wind farms just can't get
    built. The result, and it has already started, is that most commercial
    scale wind development on tribal reservations won't be native-owned. The
    Great Plains tribes have excellent wind resources on their reservations,
    and they have a historic opportunity to lift themselves out of poverty
    with the wind. Because of the federal tax code, the opportunity remains
    just out of their reach.
    You can help change that! Two bills, S.2520 and the H.R. 1954
    propose changing the tax code to allow tribes to benefit from the tax
    credit. Please encourage your representative to push these bills forward
    and help change the course of history!

    http://nativeenergy.qm4.net/a/1/8093727/373098/default.aspx

    http://nativeenergy.qm4.net/a/1/8093727/373099/default.aspx

    http://nativeenergy.qm4.net/a/1/8093727/373100/default.aspx



    Re: Help to save nature !

    redc - 29.03.2008, 22:54


    newnativspirit wrote: Help End Discrimination Against Tribal Energy Projects

    Currently, Native American tribes aren't eligible for the federal
    production tax credit available to non-tribal project owners under law.
    Without this 2 cents per kWh tax credit, most wind farms just can't get
    built. The result, and it has already started, is that most commercial
    scale wind development on tribal reservations won't be native-owned. The
    Great Plains tribes have excellent wind resources on their reservations,
    and they have a historic opportunity to lift themselves out of poverty
    with the wind. Because of the federal tax code, the opportunity remains
    just out of their reach.
    You can help change that! Two bills, S.2520 and the H.R. 1954
    propose changing the tax code to allow tribes to benefit from the tax
    credit. Please encourage your representative to push these bills forward
    and help change the course of history!

    Where did you find this information from? Do you have a source and could you please post the link. thx



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 29.03.2008, 23:35


    I got them from NativeEnergy directly ...



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Liadan - 01.04.2008, 18:18


    Quote: Currently, Native American tribes aren't eligible for the federal
    production tax credit available to non-tribal project owners under law.
    Without this 2 cents per kWh tax credit, most wind farms just can't get
    built. The result, and it has already started, is that most commercial
    scale wind development on tribal reservations won't be native-owned. The
    Great Plains tribes have excellent wind resources on their reservations,
    and they have a historic opportunity to lift themselves out of poverty
    with the wind. Because of the federal tax code, the opportunity remains
    just out of their reach.
    You can help change that! Two bills, S.2520 and the H.R. 1954
    propose changing the tax code to allow tribes to benefit from the tax
    credit. Please encourage your representative to push these bills forward
    and help change the course of history!
    can I post this on my Pauley Perrette -myspace? Most of my friends there are americans...

    I watched the news today and saw that Canada started seal hunting season again and I was disgusted. So this is my answer to that (I know it is offensive but also so true):



    Re: Help to save nature !

    newnativspirit - 02.04.2008, 14:19


    of course you can post it on your myspace !!!



    Re: Help to save nature !

    evenstar - 08.04.2008, 09:19


    Liadan, I agree with what you said about seal hunting, it's truly awful.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    evenstar - 17.04.2008, 10:40


    Here in Australia we are slowly replacing all of our buses and taxis with hydrogen powered vehicles. I think it's a great idea. Do you guys have anything similiar in Europe/the US? I really want to trade my car in for a hybrid too but they're pretty expensive over here.



    Re: Help to save nature !

    Idril - 17.04.2008, 12:24


    yep, we have that, too. It's expensive, but worth the money. A lot of buses are hydrogen powered by now, but no taxis yet. They still run with gas.



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