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Re: @Leaders.
Andruiduz - 05.10.2006, 22:22@Leaders.
Greetings each and everyone of the Sagons!
I'm posting here, becouse I've today been killed through luring. I had been hunting giant spiders all day long and had just gotten my experience back since the last times I died (look at my deathlog) and I was just getting some mana at the temple of Plains of havoc. Suddenly my mom calls me at my cellphone and i run to get it. I come back 6 seconds later maybe and find myself dead. It seems like Basiac had been killing a orc leader and it turned on me. i had high hp but still it killed me. She didnt heal me or anything becouse if she would we wouldnt have this problem.
I would like a payment that covers my losses.
At the screenshot I got you can see everything.
Re: @Leaders.
Amziz - 05.10.2006, 22:46
Here's a little hint before you go afk 1 sqm from pz, don't.. no 100 mana is worth the risk of dieing, ever. Anyhow I'm sure we can solve this, be patient.
Re: @Leaders.
Tychoneus - 05.10.2006, 23:13'
We can solve this, I am sure Basic didnt have any uhs on her or she would have heald you. We will discuss this with her dont worry too much.
Yours,
Re: @Leaders.
Andruiduz - 05.10.2006, 23:24Re: '
Okay, but i know for a fact that she had uh's. She said she held an uh over me but she didnt uh me fast enough. I think a leader of FoH will contact you.
kind regards,
Andruiduz.
Re: @Leaders.
Sephirothe - 06.10.2006, 12:59
You make it seem it was her fault you died, but in the end you could've entered that pz zone since you knew about the risks of afking below.
And also, it ain't very unlogical you got your bp uhs closed as a paladin (considering the new hotkey feature).
Anyway - like Tychoneus said, we'll discuss this.
Re: @Leaders.
Natures Lord - 06.10.2006, 15:52
To end this discussion once for all.
You where AFK in PoH - one SQM from PZ.
Basiac is one of Sagons oldest and most trusted members, For sure she had no intentions to harm you in any way.
No payment will be paid.
Sagon is truely sorry for your losses.
*Natures Lord
Dilpomat of Sagon
Re: @Leaders.
Raks - 06.10.2006, 18:04
Well this won´t be accepted by me for now. It was more then obvious that she lured this leader on him and you know this.
"haven´t opened uh´s"... well everyone should know where his / her uh´s are. and it was enough time to open it. i can see 5 hits on the screenshot and i´m sure there were more.
Edited : this is my personal opinion
This will be discussed within our CoE and i´m sure you´ll get contacted again.
Feel free to contact me or any other CoE.
Have a nice day
~Raks
Council of Eldest of the Friends of Honour
Re: @Leaders.
Macadoshis - 06.10.2006, 18:45
Greetings Sagon,
I wonder, is it always that the council is making such confusing posts? I mean
Amziz
Wanderer of the Sagon
Amziz wrote: Anyhow I'm sure we can solve this, be patient.
Tychoneus
Wanderer of the Sagon
Tychoneus wrote: We can solve this,
and then in the end, this post comes
Natures Lord wrote: No payment will be paid.
That ain't really solving it, eh? You didn't even discuss it with any of us, as seems from Raks' post.
I wonder, is it so hard to understand/accept that Bisiac did wrong? He lured a monster on Andruiduz, that's a fact. He did not attempt to kill the monster(I guess) as you can see in the screenshot too. The orc is hardly harmed. I think that a paladin would do a lot more damage than just this mere 50~ damage in the time Andruiduz was attacked, and also before the orc changed target, it must have been attacked by Bisiac, right? Or am I completely mistaken there?
I ask you, Bisiac, did you lure the orc on purpose, or was it an accident?
Why didn't you try to get the orc attack you again, when you saw it was attacking(and killing) Andruiduz?
Why didn't you do anything to make sure Andruiduz wasn't killed?
Then Sephirothe, I agree on your doubt, if he had his uh's opened. But as the orc was assumably attacking Bisiac first, he would have been able to kill it, right? He could even have used his new hotkeys(sd/hmm) to kill the leader faster, so andruiduz would survive the attack, don't you agree on that one?
Sagon, why do you promise at first, that it will be solved, and then in the end tell us no payment will be made? I wonder, how are you going to solve it then, if no payment?
I wouldn't want the relationship between Sagon and FoH to be troubled by this incident, so I hope to see a more reasonable solution to the problem soon...
maca
Re: @Leaders.
Natures Lord - 06.10.2006, 20:45
Lure??? The automatic target switch makes the target to attack people close the first attacker, in this case Andruiduz. I am the diplomat of Sagon and looking in to this case it takes me less than 5 seconds to come to this conclusion as Andruiduz was AFK which is ilegal no matter the time.
If you dont agree with this its sad, As we always had a good relation with the FOH. But as I see it, no Sagon is to blame for your members death.
To get some facts straight, Its Basiac and nothing else, also its a she.
Not to forget Sagon dont have any council.. We are a group of wanderers where are all are seen as equal.
If you wish to add anything to this discussion, feel free to contact me tomorrow.
*Natures Lord
Diplomat of Sagon
Re: @Leaders.
Macadoshis - 06.10.2006, 21:10
Natures Lord wrote: Lure??? The automatic target switch makes the target to attack people close the first attacker, in this case Andruiduz. I am the diplomat of Sagon and looking in to this case it takes me less than 5 seconds to come to this conclusion as Andruiduz was AFK which is ilegal no matter the time.
Could you give me the URL to the rule where is stated that being AFK is illegal? Right, there is none.
Though she may not have "lured" the orc, it still was attacking her first. Then it changed, and she could have foreseen what would have happened, and taken action.
But she didn't, she didn't put ANY effort in trying to save the life of Andruiduz, she didn't even TRY to kill the orc, as clearly can be seen in the picture Andruiduz added.
Conclusion: she is to blame for his death. sHe could have killed the orc, but did not. sHe could have healed andruiduz, after the monster she was killing changed target, but she didn't.
maca
edit: im sorry :!
Re: @Leaders.
Sephirothe - 06.10.2006, 21:14
Macadoshis wrote: Could you give me the URL to the rule where is stated that being AFK is illegal? Right, there is none.
Nowhere, it's part of the unwritten rules in Tibia.
Quote: Though he may not have "lured" the orc, it still was attacking him first. Then it changed, and he could have foreseen what would have happened,
Sure she could have forseen it, but Andruiduz could've foreseen he might be attacked, considering he's on a 'dangerous' place. and 1 sqm away from a pz that's especially made for people that need to AFK.
Quote: and taken action.
But he didn't, he didn't put ANY effort in trying to save the life of Andruiduz, he didn't even TRY to kill the orc, as clearly can be seen in the picture Andruiduz added.
She did, she was killing the orc, but sadly she's a melee user and those have less effect on the orc leader. And to add, standing there with crossbow and an orc leader hitting you, trust me, it goes fast. On a sidenote, why weren't you wearing a shield anyway?
Quote: Conclusion: he is to blame for his death. He could have killed the orc, but did not. He could have healed andruiduz, after the monster he was killing changed target, but he didn't.
Hehe, once again, it's a she it'd be pleasing if you read the full post NL wrote.
:beer:
Re: @Leaders.
Macadoshis - 06.10.2006, 21:21
[quote="Sephirothe"] Macadoshis wrote:
Nowhere, it's part of the unwritten rules in Tibia.
>She did, she was killing the orc, but sadly she's a melee user and those have less effect on the orc leader.
Sure, but unwritten rules are different for anyone, right? they ain't written anywhere. Where can you check whats illegal and not? If bubble would afk, you wouldnt "punish" her either.
Then why the heck would a level 70~ pally use melee on poh? and kill orc leader? doesnt a lvl 70 pally have runes? I doubt so...
and im terribly sorry if I offended Basiac by calling her a he :|
maca
Re: @Leaders.
Elliot - 06.10.2006, 21:23
Greetings Macadoshis please be careful with drawing hasty conclusions.
First of all you are right that afking is not illegal but also you have to remember that when you go afk you take the risk of being killed by other player or by a monster and your member should have known about it.
Secondly the luring system makes creatures change targets and attack people around so even it changed or Basiac it could have changed back on your friend. Moreover, what you might know Basiac rarely uses a crossbow. Our member brings up his character in a much diffrent way than most of us and mostly does not even carry bow or crossbow with him prefering the meele fighting and that explains why Basiac was standing next to the leader, as you could clearly see attacking the leader. Blaming our member because he had not managed to use an uh or did not have them at all is silly because first of all it was your members fault and risk he took standing one square next to protection zone.
Thirdly when you are refering confusing post I dont' see anything confusing in our posts. We told you that we will take care of it and investigate it and from the infromation we got we drawn a conclusion that Basiac is not guilty for this inccident and it was your member who should be responsbile for his death if he decides to afk in hunting area.
Also as far as I know Basiac saved and returned his loot so what would be the sense of killing your member then? It would have to be a serious hate from our member towards yours to kill someone and then give back his loot gaining nothing in fact from this murder.
Accusing our member of luring is luring without having a straight proffs is not of the best style. I and my fellow Sagons hardly believe that our member Basiac who did not kill anyone in her 7 years of playing would lure anything in attempt to kill anyone.
Of course we are open for discussion but a discussion followed with arguments not just with accusations.
//Elliot
Re: @Leaders.
Sephirothe - 06.10.2006, 21:25
Quote: Sure, but unwritten rules are different for anyone, right? they ain't written anywhere. Where can you check whats illegal and not? If bubble would afk, you wouldnt "punish" her either.
Huh? Did we punish Andruiduz?
Quote: Then why the heck would a level 70~ pally use melee on poh? and kill orc leader? doesnt a lvl 70 pally have runes? I doubt so...
Answer on your questions:
1) You should ask her ingame, but does it matter if she decided to do so?
2) Barely, and no she doesn't carry SDs for a fast kill.
Quote: and im terribly sorry if I offended Basiac by calling her a he :|
:)
Re: @Leaders.
Tychoneus - 06.10.2006, 21:35'
Well Elliot aside that Basic is a woman, you said it very well.
Anyway, lets stop throwing mud on each other for a while, this is starting to look like some children in a sand bank.
I havent even heard Basics side of the story yet. I think she should post now, and mayeb its best to leave the decision on the course of action to her.
Yours,
Re: @Leaders.
Macadoshis - 06.10.2006, 21:36
Dear sephi, I did not mean you punished Andruiduz, but you make it sound like it was somehow "justified" that he died
Then how could I in god's name know that Basiac doesnt use a bow/xbow but melee weapon. I based my first post on the (rather logical) thought that a paladin uses a bow/xbow to fight, which is a rather powerful weapon.
But then, if She did use a melee weapon, why was the orc so far away? Couldn't she just kill the orc somewhere near the orc respawn?
Elliot,
Sure it is dangerous to afk at poh temple. But would you take the time and effort to run your char in depot when your mom is callin for you? I wouldn't, as I know my mom would only call me if its pretty important.
The confusion in your posts is that twice was stated "We will solve this", but in my eyes, no solution was offered, we were just told that no payment would be made. Seems not a great way to "solve this" in my eyes.
About the intention, I can only guess. Maybe she was just trying to give a "warning" towards andruiduz, that afk'ing is not good, and that, as stated, he was too late to click his UH.
Or maybe it was because Andruiduz has proofs that in fact Basiac was standing next to him while he died, and if she would have kept the loot, it would have looked more like an intentional murderer.
sidenote, its a she :laugh:
maca
Re: @Leaders.
Zuwoth - 06.10.2006, 21:43
Macadoshis wrote:
Sure it is dangerous to afk at poh temple. But would you take the time and effort to run your char in depot when your mom is callin for you? I wouldn't, as I know my mom would only call me if its pretty important.
maca
He was 1 sqm from pz or dp what you call it. So he was close..
Re: @Leaders.
Kaysbone - 06.10.2006, 21:45
I totally agree Tychoneus, I havent heard Basiac's story either...
But I really doubt she would have done such an agressive thing against anyone. I wouldnt even ask for a payment if I were in Andruiduz's situation since I would have taken the risk to be afk in such a dangerous place as the plains of havoc is.
Kaysbone, the yellow magician.
Re: @Leaders.
Natures Lord - 07.10.2006, 00:49
As I stated in the my first post we are sorry to hear that Andruiduz was killed. But Basiac is not to blame for the death of your member, thats why theres no sense for her or the guild to pay anything.
About the "confusing" posts in the start of the thread.
As this clearly is a matter of the diplomatic section of Sagon, Where I am responsible, the other members promised that the diplomats would look in to it and try to find a solution. BUT as I cant see that Basiac did anything wrong you got an answer. I hope you can accept our view of this and maybe learn a lesson (Enter the PZ if you are 1 sqm away and want to afk).
FoH has always been considerd as a friend of sagon and I hope its understandable that we never would harm FoH in anyway. We are a peacefull guild and we wish to be left alone.
If you wish to discuss this further contact me, In online more or less every day.
*Natures Lord
Re: @Leaders.
Raks - 07.10.2006, 01:04
Then i´m waiting for her opinion....
And i´d say let´s skip it here and do the rest ingame, since it´s more personal.
~Raks
Council of Eldest of the Friends of Honour
Re: @Leaders.
Andruiduz - 07.10.2006, 10:45
Elliot wrote: Greetings Macadoshis please be careful with drawing hasty conclusions.
First of all you are right that afking is not illegal but also you have to remember that when you go afk you take the risk of being killed by other player or by a monster and your member should have known about it.
Secondly the luring system makes creatures change targets and attack people around so even it changed or Basiac it could have changed back on your friend. Moreover, what you might know Basiac rarely uses a crossbow. Our member brings up his character in a much diffrent way than most of us and mostly does not even carry bow or crossbow with him prefering the meele fighting and that explains why Basiac was standing next to the leader, as you could clearly see attacking the leader. Blaming our member because he had not managed to use an uh or did not have them at all is silly because first of all it was your members fault and risk he took standing one square next to protection zone.
Thirdly when you are refering confusing post I dont' see anything confusing in our posts. We told you that we will take care of it and investigate it and from the infromation we got we drawn a conclusion that Basiac is not guilty for this inccident and it was your member who should be responsbile for his death if he decides to afk in hunting area.
Also as far as I know Basiac saved and returned his loot so what would be the sense of killing your member then? It would have to be a serious hate from our member towards yours to kill someone and then give back his loot gaining nothing in fact from this murder.
Accusing our member of luring is luring without having a straight proffs is not of the best style. I and my fellow Sagons hardly believe that our member Basiac who did not kill anyone in her 7 years of playing would lure anything in attempt to kill anyone.
Of course we are open for discussion but a discussion followed with arguments not just with accusations.
//Elliot
Greetings Elliot.
To make something clear. When i died i was still afk i was lucky that i came back to the computer and saw her name, becouse when i logged back in again in temple, she didnt bother to message me. I had time to go to dp reload and much other stuff before i looked at the screenshot to ask for loot. So it could have happend that she woudlnt have messaged me at all if i woudlnt have gotten the screenshot.
Re: @Leaders.
basic - 07.10.2006, 23:32
Okay, now all of you hear my version of the story.
I was hunting orcs at POH... Usually when I kill them with crossbow I run them north-west - and I was using crossbow this time, not sword. I killed 2-3 zerks without an incident. So I went south again to get the leader.... I ran it the same way, north and west of the temple. Only this time Andruiduz stood there (he wasnt there when I ran the zerks that way) and the leader choose this time to change target on him. I went near the leader to make him change to me again and at the same time I tried to uh Andruiduz, but I never have my bp of UHs open since the new hotkeys and I was to late. He was dead in an instant.
As there were more people hunting in POH and two more people in temple I didnt kill the leader but instead choose to throw Andruiduz body into temple and guard his loot (nice loot btw. with steel boots, demon shield etc.) there until he came back some 10-15 minutes later. When he logged in after his death he accused me of having lured the leader on him. I told him that I didnt do such a thing and that I instead was waiting with his loot in POH temple. He just said Ok and that he was on his way to POH. He didnt say anything to me when he finally came and got his bp back. So I thought the matter was finished. Much to my surprise I read this post today.
So you all see now that I didnt lure the orc leader on Andruiduz, I just ran it the same route I did with the zerks before. It was not my fault that Andruiduz choose that time to stand afk in front of temple without shield (not a very wise thing to do in my opinion). And for sure it isnt my fault that the leader changed on him. I tried everything I could (going near the leader to make him change again, trying to uh Andruiduz), but as I explained before, it didnt work.
Second, as Elliot already stated, if I had wanted the leader to kill Andruiduz, I had hardly guarded this nice loot in temple for more than 10 minutes.
As I see it, Andruiduz just looks for a way to get money out of his own fault by putting the blame on me. So I for sure won't pay anything and neither will the Sagon, if I can help it. I think it was noble enough to save his loot and wait for him. Not many people at POH would do such a thing - most would have taken the bp and ran away as fast as they could.
I hope you all see now why Andruiduz is wrong in wanting payment from me for doing nothing but hunting as usual and for just being nice and save his loot after his death that was not caused by me, but by himself with standing afk in front of temple. Everybody knows that POH is dangerous to be afk. Why didnt he jump that one step back in the safety of temple when his mother called?
I wonder whom he would have blamed for his death if it hadnt been the target-changing orc leader who killed him but for example a feshly spawned ds.
Okay, summarize of that really long post:
1. I am not guilty of luring an orc leader on Andruiduz.
2. I tried everything to save him but orc leaders kill very fast if you cant shield them - not my fault that I was too late with uh.
3. I was nice enough to wait 10-15 minutes with his loot in temple.
Conclusion: Neither me nor the Sagon have any reason to pay anything!
Thats all I have to say in this matter. I hope it brings light into the dark :-)
Greetings
Basic
Re: @Leaders.
Spenck - 15.11.2006, 23:19
basic wrote: Okay, now all of you hear my version of the story.
I was hunting orcs at POH... Usually when I kill them with crossbow I run them north-west - and I was using crossbow this time, not sword. I killed 2-3 zerks without an incident. So I went south again to get the leader.... I ran it the same way, north and west of the temple. Only this time Andruiduz stood there (he wasnt there when I ran the zerks that way) and the leader choose this time to change target on him. I went near the leader to make him change to me again and at the same time I tried to uh Andruiduz, but I never have my bp of UHs open since the new hotkeys and I was to late. He was dead in an instant.
What a bullshit, he had like 650+ hp (doubt the leader could kill him instantly) As a proof he didnt die instantly as u can see in his screenshit where it proofs atleast 5 hits where be made by the leader. So u had time ENOUGH to find and open your bp uhs. Besides that u told me u where using an x-bow, u must have a very bad distance skill if u can only hit the leader to deep GREEN hps. So all this things makes me to the conclussion u didnt do everything to safe him, what a normal player from a respected guild would've done, wasting a single uh to safe a players life isnt too much waste isnt it?
Besides that: Afking might be stupid - indeed
But luring creatures to kill it easier for yourself and getting others in risk in dieing is stupid in my eyes aswell since low levels are hunting there aswell and they are dieing in like 2 hits? So that makes YOU responsible because you lure the creatures up the way to temple.[/b]
So you all see now that I didnt lure the orc leader on Andruiduz, I just ran it the same route I did with the zerks before. It was not my fault that Andruiduz choose that time to stand afk in front of temple without shield (not a very wise thing to do in my opinion). And for sure it isnt my fault that the leader changed on him. I tried everything I could (going near the leader to make him change again, trying to uh Andruiduz), but as I explained before, it didnt work.
Also this is quite bullshit, ofcourse u didnt lure it on purpose in him, but u take the risk to lure it in the north way (temple) where alot of low levels are hunting ghouls etc.. That your choice and its your responsibility if your creatures change on someone else.[b/]
1. I am not guilty of luring an orc leader on Andruiduz. [b] in my eyes you're guilty - as i stated above already [b/]
2. I tried everything to save him but orc leaders kill very fast if you cant shield them - not my fault that I was too late with uh. [b] u didnt do everything for sure - as i stated above [b/]
3. I was nice enough to wait 10-15 minutes with his loot in temple.[b] since there was proof enough you where close to the body, it was the only solution to give the loot back since u where the only one seeing that he died and so could be able to take the loot[b/]
My opinion in this matter,
Spenck
p.s. still my words are directed to basic, not towards tycho or sephi since i will show them my truely respect no matter the case
and once again sorry that i maybe used a to hard way of stating my opinion but that is just the way i am - sorry
Re: @Leaders.
Spenck - 15.11.2006, 23:20
double, im sorry
Re: @Leaders.
Natures Lord - 15.11.2006, 23:35
Basiac have like 65 dist so yes not the best.
This is a closed matter for us, I cant see why you wish to bring this up again.
To add is that this is something between FoH and Sagon.
*Natures Lord
Re: @Leaders.
Spenck - 15.11.2006, 23:42
I bring this up again since i was inactive the time it happend.
Spenck = Darkside
Spencker = FoH (my 2nd)
Besides that: Im here as a friend for him, i do not talk on the behalf of FoH.
Re: @Leaders.
Natures Lord - 16.11.2006, 00:15
Mhm, Sagon see this as a closed matter and wont go further with this.
We see no reasons to doubt Basiacs words, she is one of our oldest members. I have personally known her for about four years.
she has never been involved in any problems before.
Basiac did nothing wrong here acodring to me and Sagons fellow members.
If Andruiduz wish to add something he is welcome to contact me in game..
To add is that Andruiduz isnt FoH anymore for reasons I am unware of.
*Natures Lord
Diplomat of Sagon
Re: @Leaders.
Tychoneus - 16.11.2006, 00:17'
I understand that you wanna back up your friend. Unfortunatly for him, he took a risk of afking and due to circumstances Basic's orc leader changed on him, just at that moment. If anything is to blaim for this its just bad luck, the wrong place at the wrong time. I am sorry that Andruiduz died and that one of Sagons members had a unfortunate role in it, but life can be a piep sometimes.
Anyway its good to see that Andruiduz has friends out there to back him up, I am sure he can regain his losses in no time!
Yours,
Re: @Leaders.
Spenck - 16.11.2006, 00:29
Natures Lord wrote:
We see no reasons to doubt Basiacs words, she is one of our oldest members.
U think there is no doubt? Did u actually readed my first post?
Natures Lord wrote:
I have personally known her for about four years.
she has never been involved in any problems before.
I truely believe u, but everyone is able to make a mistake even your best friends.
Natures Lord wrote:
Basiac did nothing wrong here acodring to me and Sagons fellow members..
In my eyes luring a creature away from his respawning place to get it killed easier for you, but putting others in a risky position is under your own responsibilities, it was her leader that made him die, if she wouldnt be hunting, he would "probably" be alive.
I do not talk his afking good - because that is ofcourse a stupid action
But in this case it is infact the fault of Basic that he died aswell[b/]
Natures Lord wrote: To add is that Andruiduz isnt FoH anymore for reasons I am unware of.
I personally know the reason - but for an answer you've to contact a leader of the FoH since i dont know all details about it, so incase i give false information i cant tell u that, sorry for that.
Yours,
Spenck
Re: @Leaders.
Der Nachtjäger - 16.11.2006, 09:34
Spenck, as you know paladins need to run their monsters to avoid getting damage, right? With 65 distance you need some time to kill an orc leader. Running monsters in PoH ain't forbidden or? And even if there are hunting some low level chars they are still responsible for their actions and can't blame a higher leveled char if the monster changes target on them cause this could happen anytime and anywhere as you should know. And the fact is, standing afk in front of the temple just to gain 100 mana is a risk especially in PoH. In my eyes Basiac did everything right and the problem is solved.
Not everyone has so fast hands to find the Backpack of Uhs and heal others. If you are stressed this takes much longer for some people. Basiac, you did everything right.
Just my 2 cents.
Re: @Leaders.
Natures Lord - 16.11.2006, 14:10
As said before, this case is closed for us.
Quote: I personally know the reason - but for an answer you've to contact a leader of the FoH since i dont know all details about it, so incase i give false information i cant tell u that, sorry for that.
Never asked for the reason.
He afked in Poh, thanks to the change target function Basiacs orcleader changed target and killed him. Sad but we wont hold Basiac responsible for it.
END
*Natures Lord
Diplomat of Sagon
Re: @Leaders.
Spenck - 16.11.2006, 16:33
Der Nachtjäger wrote: Spenck, as you know paladins need to run their monsters to avoid getting damage, right? With 65 distance you need some time to kill an orc leader. Running monsters in PoH ain't forbidden or? And even if there are hunting some low level chars they are still responsible for their actions and can't blame a higher leveled char if the monster changes target on them cause this could happen anytime and anywhere as you should know. And the fact is, standing afk in front of the temple just to gain 100 mana is a risk especially in PoH. In my eyes Basiac did everything right and the problem is solved.
Not everyone has so fast hands to find the Backpack of Uhs and heal others. If you are stressed this takes much longer for some people. Basiac, you did everything right.
Ofcourse you have to run so u wont get damaged but PoH is quite big so u got alot of free space to run it, doesnt matter which way u lure it, if it change on someone else - it is YOUR responsibilities to get the player safe on whom it changed on, cause U choosed to lure it and kill it. If she wouldnt lure it, he probably wouldnt have died so IT IS HER fault that he died by HER orc leader thats just a fact, if she didnt lure the orc leader he wouldnt have died by an orc leader. (ofcourse he could've died by an skelleton or ghoul w/e but that is not what happend) so it is infact a death caused by one of your members. Ofcourse i understand it didnt happen on purpose but still it's her fault ALSO (also his fault cause u shouldnt afk).
Running monsters in PoH ain't forbidden or?
Ofcourse its not forbidden, its your own responsibilities if u lure it or not, u should be aware that u can bring others in danger - so a bit stupid she didnt opened her uhs in the first place.
Besides that:
Not everyone has so fast hands to find the Backpack of Uhs and heal others. If you are stressed this takes much longer for some people. Basiac, you did everything right.
So you are telling me, u cant open your backpack intime, with just a simple click on your bp while an orc leader can make like 10+ hits on you? That's totally crap, seriously dont bring that argument up again since i know everyone can do that -.-
Yours,
A mad getting spenck ...
Re: @Leaders.
Der Nachtjäger - 16.11.2006, 17:14
An answer on your last post isn't needed thought.
I'm out of this buisness.
Try to think about what you just said, Spenck.
Signed,
Nachti
Re: @Leaders.
Tychoneus - 16.11.2006, 17:14'
Okay that does it.
This case is closed. It was bad luck that this happend. It was never Basics intention to kill Andruiduz. He was afk, Basic was not fast enough with her UH. Which could be explained by the fact that she had no idea that he was afk. Normally a level 60 character can handle an orc leader. Maybe when she realized he was afk she was too late.
Anyway no matter what happend, it was a bad luck situation, she had no intention to harm him. She gave back the loot. No matter how long we continue discussing it no payment will be given to Andruiduz, because Basic didn't do anything wrong. The arguments can be found in this whole thread. Sagon and Basic regret the situation and wish Andruiduz the best of luck in the future.
Thread closed now, this discussion is going nowhere.
Yours,
Re: @Leaders.
Silverhand - 16.11.2006, 17:14
Be greeted Spenck,
alot of players run with Orcs, GS or even Drags towards Temple. Even highlevel players, even players of so called respected guilds.
Also need the Temple Entrance rather often cleaned because some low levers lure monster at it.
Your friend hunted in PoH, your friend knew the situtation. Probably he run also now and then towards Temple?
He went afk at the Temple Entrance?!?!
As a friend you should kick his piep and teach him how to play instead of blaming Basiac.
Silver
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