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Black Dog - 11.08.2006, 11:19JIMI HENDRIX Didn't Like LED ZEPPELIN
Was für ein Bullshit ;-)
CARMINE APPICE: JIMI HENDRIX Didn't Like LED ZEPPELIN Because They Stole From Everybody - Aug. 10, 2006
Jeb Wright of Classic Rock Revisted recently conducted an interview with legendary rock drummer Carmine Appice (VANILLA FUDGE, CACTUS, BECK, BOGERT & APPICE, ROD STEWART, KING KOBRA, OZZY OSBOURNE). A couple of excerpts from the chat follow:
Classic Rock Revisted: You have me curious with the news of "The Song Almost Remains the Same" [the upcoming VANILLA FUDGE album of LED ZEPPELIN covers]. Are you going to do the album in true VANILLA FUDGE style and change the arrangements?
Carmine: "Some of them are going to be slowed down, like 'Immigrant Song'. We are going to put a Viking-style intro on that one. On 'Dancing Days' we are doing this weird chord that makes a VANILLA FUDGE kind of build-up. We are doing 'Fool in the Rain' in three-part harmonies.
"LED ZEPPELIN were very similar to VANILLA FUDGE in a way. Tim and I had never tried to play LED ZEPPELIN songs before and now that we are playing them we are finding that the way we play is very much the same as John Bonham and John Paul Jones played in terms of feel. I am finding that these songs are very easy to play for me due to that. It really feels the same and it is really wild to me. I have played a few ZEPPELIN songs in clinics with guys like Tony Franklin but it didn't have the same feel that it did with Tim and me."
Classic Rock Revisted: ZEPPELIN has been caught borrowing from bands before.
Carmine: "They opened up for us. We had them on their first bill. Robert Plant was green. They didn't even have a name when we started touring with them. On the first gig we actually paid their fee. The promoter didn't even want them on the tour as the gig was already sold out with VANILLA FUDGE and SPIRIT. He didn't want to pay for LED ZEPPELIN so we paid them their fee for the gig. I actually think we paid them half their fee. I helped John Bonham get his Ludwig endorsement. We were close and we watched them grow.
"But ZEPPELIN did borrow from others. Jimi Hendrix personally told me that he didn't like ZEPPELIN because they were like excess baggage and that they stole from everybody. 'You Shook Me' was on JEFF BECK's record. 'Dazed & Confused' has a bit of VANILLA FUDGE on it and it has parts of 'Beck's Bolero' in it. I think I was told by a member of the band that the 'Good Times Bad Times' riff came from Tim Bogart's bass line. When I listen to that, it sounds like Tim. When I first heard John Bonham do that triplet thing on the bass drum, I went up to him and said, 'John, that is amazing. I have to admit that I took that from you.' He looked at me and said, 'What are you talking about? I took that from you!' I replied, 'I don't do that. You couldn't have taken it from me.' He proceeded to tell me where I did actually do that on the first VANILLA FUDGE record and he was right. I only did it for a moment on that album and he took it and made something bigger and better out of it. We used to go and sit on the side of the stage and watch ZEPPELIN. We hung out in the dressing rooms and we built a great relationship with them."
Read the entire interview at www.classicrockrevisited.com.
COMMENT | My 2 cents:
posted by : hurricane hugo
8/10/2006 12:24:57 PM
Jimmy Page wrote that chord progression in "Beck's Bolero".
Hendrix apparently changed his mind about Zep by the time of the '70 Atlanta Pop Festival; he was raving about the band (and Bonham in particular, telling him he had "a rabbit for a right foot" or something like that) to anyone who would listen backstage.
Led Zep > all (except Beatles & U2)
COMMENT | this is a ridiculous comment
posted by : NASCARBill
8/10/2006 2:19:11 PM
Hendrix died in the fall of 1970. Zep 1 and 2 came out in 1969. Zep 3 came out in mid Oct of 1970. If Hendrix made that comment then he was only weighing in on the first two Zep albums. Perhaps that would be a fair statement under those conditions, but since the vast majority of Zep's albums came out after Hendrix's death, he was in no position to judge the relative worth of Zep's music. So this may have actually happened but it is so out of context that it is meaningless. BTW both Hendrix and Zep are the top of the heap - they were both great.
COMMENT | The Mightly Zeppelin
posted by : Kungfugrip7
8/10/2006 2:33:02 PM
Did Zeppelin "steal" stuff from the early blues guys? Well, all you have to do is listen to Led Zeppelin I and the answer is a clear and obvious, YES. But, from Led Zeppelin II until "In Through the Out Door", it was significantly less and then none at all. Every band, when they're starting out, borrows heavily from their influences. The same can be said for the Beatles, the Stones, the Who, and some of those lesser artists/bands mentioned like The Yardbirds, Jeff Beck, etc. What's funny to me is that Hendrix covered a LOT of blues artists--aside from the whole psychedelic bit, his main playing style was blues...so it's hard for me to understand why a comment like that would have been made. Zeppelin were a powerhouse and, along with Black Sabbath, helped pioneer the whole "Heavy Metal" sound. Vanilla Fudge, Beck, the Yardbirds, etc...were all much MUCH lesser bands with a tiny impact on music, when compared to Zeppelin. As for Page vs Hendrix, that's just silly. Both were great, but so very very different. Zeppelin as a whole, though, were much more influencial than the Jimmy Hendrix Experience, and Zeppelin was one of the greatest, most powerful live bands of all time.
COMMENT | Thats BS
posted by : The Contrarian
8/10/2006 4:39:24 PM
That is BS, Jimi was not a guy who made comments like that. Carmine Appice is a douche, just look at his discography.
COMMENT |
posted by : Stranglerfig
8/10/2006 4:46:38 PM
Everybody stole from everyone ESPECIALLY those days. All those fuckers stole from our blues players in the USA. That kinda pisses me off how they try to blame zeppelin for everything but that what happens when your king of the hill.
COMMENT | Carmine Appice
posted by : nekro
8/10/2006 5:18:07 PM
"LED ZEPPELIN were very similar to VANILLA FUDGE"
What!!!!! I beg you fucking pardon!
Vanilla Fudge was a second-category white trash band that never succeeded and now that piece of scum of Appice is defecating lots of nonsense statements from his oral cavity!
As far as “Jimi Hendrix personally told me that he didn't like ZEPPELIN” I say fuck Hendrix who was just a pretentious illiterate Negro!
Led Zeppelin is the reason why Rock and Metal exist whether you like it or not!!!!!
COMMENT | Dummy-up Carmine!!!
posted by : xsoul13
8/10/2006 8:13:47 PM
You're a great drummer b/...
Led Zep is one of the greatest bands ever. Legends the world over. Nothing you or anyone can say will ever change that.
And if you don't like them, fine. Just don't sound stupid when expressing your opinion.
COMMENT |
posted by : platinum maze
8/10/2006 8:47:49 PM
....someone above knows their shit. Hendrix died 17 days before Zep III was released. Yeah, there were some covers on I and II. But like Hendrix didn't do covers?!?!? All Along The Watchtower....Killing Floor....Hey Joe....all covers.
Jeff Beck SMOKED Hendrix anyway.....
"LED ZEPPELIN were very similar to VANILLA FUDGE in a way"
Yeah, except they left you in the dust at the starting line and sold like 100 MILLION more albums than Vanilla Fudge. The two bands shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence. Can anyone name a Vanilla Fudge song? I thought so..........
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