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Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Eager - 21.07.2006, 21:01Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Please post some comments, if you have any!
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
LilhaugeN - 21.07.2006, 23:05
I've been talking to a fellow priest, in the guild. And we kinda agreed that the looting was unfair for priest sometimes. If a random epic drop in example zg, and it has 50 plus damage and healing. Then the councils decide that the loot if for Locks / mage cause of the damage, but not for priest even tho you could use it. 1 thing that is fair tho, is on the staves/maces goes for dr00d/lock/mage cause all priest will get Benediction eventually.
Btw sry for not attending the Ony/mc raid at Fri 21th. Some girl called in sick at work and i had to work her late shift..
And we dont actually have internet on my job hehe :)
soz..
C ya ingame
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Solfur - 24.07.2006, 14:13
I'm happy with it. In our hunter channel we decide wich loot goes to who and till now everybody was happy with those decisions I think.
Only thing wich was a little weird to me was that an apic gun (or bow dno anymore) was for warriors and rogues but not for hunter. Ok .. we will get our epic bow sometimes. but with let's say 5 hunters wich do mc and ony every week we will take more than 10 weeks to get one for all of us. (if we do majordome every week)
otherwise, I'm wondering what happens to all the stuff wich goes to the guildbank. Can we see a list with what's inthere? and can we ask things from the bank to enchant our gear or have some gear crafted?
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Tinetyndarm/Kryle - 27.07.2006, 08:34
Im also very happy with the Rogue looting.
We have had a couple of mislooting (IMO), 2-3 rogues got BF-hood and maybe some other stuff, and then /gquit us.
But I think the loots now are considered one xtra time before choosing a player.
What concerns priests, then as we always tell them "We only have 1 priest good enough to both heal and do dmg" others should be holy. "We need the healing" :D
//Tinetyndarm
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Pringle - 30.07.2006, 02:06officer looting
i think the officer looting is fair mostly. but i would rather have DKP looting then more people would show up to raids maybe. because if they know its officer loot well. they might say deep inside there head. well im not going i dont get any loot anyway because either they dont like me or im just not active enough to get it. if its DKP looting people might show up more often because then they have a better chanche of getting part of the loot because they can save there DKP for each run they show up to until they got high enough DKP to over bid the active ones that used there DKP on some other raid they was on
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Anonymous - 02.08.2006, 18:18
I think dkp and officer loot are both dead ideas...
Both well.. work but they are not that good both have some minuses
While i wait for better system :) i would like to say what i wonder in loots
I have been in 3 zg now with guild.. and i think classes should be able to roll the items they benefit
There has dropped 2 times that blue set ring items and both times example paladins are not allowed to roll need on it.. THis has happened in MC / ZG ...
My character is healadin and i dont get why example in this case paladins can roll need on healing items that helps in instance further
Ofc priests and druids benefit them too but for some unknown reason in guild paladins are commonly letted need only clear paladin items
As i read priest have problem that they are not allowed to roll for damage/healing items always...
As i said im satisfied (cant spell it) for this system but still my friend showed me 1 thing that maked me to think bit... Mostly tier 2 helms / legs first priority is for counsilols
I hope ppl would like to think bit and not flame me immediately im just saying my opinion and even thou i dont like some things in guild i say this is best multinational guild i have been
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Allyriel - 03.08.2006, 03:56
Well, guess it's about´time for mama A to make a reply in here...
Some of the reasons we chose to quit DKP and use officerloot instead are:
- We don't need to have a professor figuring out how many DKP each person has, or how many you lose for pulling whelps :D
-DKP make peeps greedy. (that's a fact) If we had been using DKP, I would have gotten far more loot than now, but using officerloot, we won't for example, place an epic sword in my offhand just because I've attended more raids than other Rogues, since it benefits the GUILD (key word when using officer loot) much more to equip it in another Rogues mainhand, rather than in my offhand.
-As an extendance to the part concerning DKP, officerloot allows us to
make sure that items are divided in a way so that we get the most from every drop... There is no need to give a +healing staff to the priest that's next in line for Benediction, and no need for a hunter to need a (worse)bow if he's next in line for Rok/Lok.
-The reason that many officers are first in line for tier 2 epics, is that we have attended far more raids, and generally are better geared than most other guildmembers, therefore, we might only need 2-3 drops from MC, whereas some of our class members need almost every single drop. It does in my opinion make a lot of sense to give a rare drop to a player if it's the only thing he/she needs, as long as that players class members still have a lot of other items to benefit from.
Concerning damage+healing items: Almost no items in WoW have only +damage on them, and those that have are typically class specific lvl 30 items... the term "damage and healing" is a term used by blizzard to describe "damage, and all other positive side effects of it" (such as shadow priests' group heal)
While still usable by 100% healer classes (Priests, druids,paladins), the damage+healing stat can easily be replaced, and often severely outweighed by +healing (...as in only +healing gear), while Warlocks and mages can only use the +damage/heal stat. This is why damage/heal items are reserved for damage classes; healers have a better alternative, caster DPS don't even have an alternative.
Not going to write any more atm... Hope I've clarified a few things for y'all...
PS.
Puhnupetteri, you say that you don't really like officerloot nor DKP... do you have an alternative? If so, please tell the council, so we can consider whether we should change the loot system. Oh, and if paladins haven't been allowed to roll on the primalist set rings in ZG, something has gone wrong... Do however take note that there is also a set of DPS-caster rings (can't remember set name atm) which is only for Locks/Mages, and ofc palas won't be allowed to roll on these, since they'll only use it for PvP anyway.
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Anonymous - 03.08.2006, 20:26
Quote:
PS.
Puhnupetteri, you say that you don't really like officerloot nor DKP... do you have an alternative? If so, please tell the council, so we can consider whether we should change the loot system. .
My point was there that there is no known total fair loot system in world of warcraft :) Not dkp nor Officer loot both have their problems and as i said im saticfied to this but ....
Quote:
Oh, and if paladins haven't been allowed to roll on the primalist set rings in ZG, something has gone wrong... Do however take note that there is also a set of DPS-caster rings (can't remember set name atm) which is only for Locks/Mages, and ofc palas won't be allowed to roll on these, since they'll only use it for PvP anyway
I maeby have mistaken on some of these rings (very possible i usually drink & play same time.)
But atleast some times went on straight for someone and now i know reason (asked it) they said they gave to the direct person so he has then full set... wich is well ok expmalaation (cant spell)
In my post just tried to say no system is working 100% but its mkay atm even thou i dont like everything
Btw councilols most active member´s Duh? Since when :D
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Alred - 13.08.2006, 21:00
Well now we just downed whole MC in 1 day and u can really see the fevorising betwen Councils and Raiders :( :( .... well maybe u Councils already got it (i dont know)... but maybe u should make a list of who that got last item...
like a list of priests or warriors or whatever and then just take it from top to down..
Etc..
Dynathir
Alred
Urdår (cant remember all right now :roll: )
and then if Dynathir get Prop head then i get next drop and so on....
Maybe u got Already.. Dunno :oops:
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Jimfinn - 14.08.2006, 07:34
Alred has a point here.... :?, but if you are not in turn for loot will you show up :?:
(of course only those in the Raid) :P
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Gillia - 14.08.2006, 11:34
The loot goes to whoever is the most active. If a council is participates on every raid, why shouldn't get more loot? If you are in every 1 raid out of 3, you will ofc get less loot than people who are here all the time.
F.ex. with rogues, we have some people we know are very active and who do a damned good job. Therefor they get more loot. It might seem as councils are favored to you last night at MC, because Allyriel got 3 drops in a row and I got Perdition's Blade. We all had the stuff Allyriel got or didn't need it, and I was the only dagger rogue down there. We gave the chestpiece (which is the most important armor part) to Gryden because he's active and deserves it, and rolled for FR shoulders, since we found it most fair.
About warrior councils getting more loot than the other tanks, it's because they're our MTs. It's so freaking important, that they're geared up as much as we can get them. Therefor, if a tanking item drops, which they can use, they will most likely get it. That's what every single guild on every single server does, because it's the best way to do it.
I don't know much about how other classes do the looting, but the stuff Dyn needs is the dmg/healign stuff for his shadow gear, since he kinda already has full tier2 for healing, so he isn't gonna take some of "your" loot.
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Alred - 15.08.2006, 17:37
Well it wasnt that i was saying.... I have no problem with the Councils get more becouse they are in quite all raids i mean that i looks like some times that the councils chose to ive items to players that thy like... :?: :cry:
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Gillia - 18.08.2006, 20:25
I really hope this isn't the case. Giving friends stuff before granting it to the rest of the guild is of course not allright. I don't see this happening myself, but let a council know, if you think you or other people are treated unfairly.
Again, I'm a rogue, and the rogues of the guild are all pretty satisfied (at least, I like to think so), so I might not have a good enough perspective on what's going on with other classes.
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Nucleus - 21.08.2006, 12:22
I think i speak for all the rogues (atleast for myself) when saying we are satified with Officer Loot. We keep a very good and joyfull tone(99%of the time atleast) on raids, taking a look from the positive side at all times.
I think those complain every time they dont get a loot, should probably look towards themselves, rather than blaming the officers. There's always a reason why a loot is divided as it is...
Try to make ur class one big happy family....
And now would be a nice place to insert Tyrio's Guildsaying.. (Tyrio? Plz do ur job!) :)
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Zucharog - 22.08.2006, 00:11
I still go against that hunters can't have that Gurubashi ZG ring cause "U get more ap from agi" although we talked about this then just want to bring it out again.
It's rly not reason "U get better rings" cause so does every other class.
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Gillia - 22.08.2006, 04:12
It's not only because you get more ap from agi, it's also because it has a lot of stamina. As far as I know, that isn't as important for hunters as it is for us who's standing in the boss AoE most of the fights. Hunters are allowed to get Eye of Hakkar (40ap and a crit) as well as rogues, warriors and feral druids, so it isn't just the attack power.
If it was only because of the attack power, rogues would be the only ones allowed to roll on it, since we're the only dps class only getting 1ap from 1 point in our primary stat (warriors gets 2ap for each str and you guys get 2ap from 1agi). Therefor +ap items benefits us more than other classes imo, but that wouldn't be fair either.
Ofc the ring is good for hunter, but we're at a state now, where we have to give the loot to the classes it benefits the most, hence, melee classes. We want to progress and we do that by giving a dropped item to the person who needs it the most (and by equipping active players ofc). Therefor stuff like this one should go to melee, since we just benefit a little more from it.
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Nucleus - 22.08.2006, 13:22
Tyrio should check this too ^^
PS. i cant wait to see a hunter in top5 on the dmg meter :)
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Tyrio - 22.08.2006, 13:33
its not my fault that I rock in rollin'
and btw, im making xyster pull the next MC so youll se me at top5 in dmg meter :twisted:
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Nucleus - 22.08.2006, 13:53
So ur saying ur gonna drug yourself?
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Tyrio - 22.08.2006, 17:12
I can do it withouth drugs you cheat!
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Nucleus - 23.08.2006, 12:11
Tyrio - this makes me think of u when u get attacked when pulling in mc..
http://www.kontorsjov.dk/visfilm.asp?id=12
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Tyrio - 23.08.2006, 12:17
that happens, especially with the larvas in EPL :'<, they are mean
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Solfur - 23.08.2006, 18:57
Gillia wrote: ...
We want to progress and we do that by giving a dropped item to the person who needs it the most (and by equipping active players ofc)....
I still remember that hunters can't get "strikers mark" because rogues get more use of the stats... what about the more dps hunters could get with it? offc hunters can get a better bow or gun... but we need to start somewhere imo...
class specific loot gets distributed very well at the hunters, but when we need something non class specific usually rogues may have it...
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Nucleus - 24.08.2006, 09:37
Name once where Rogues/DPS warriors have gotten a ranged weapon before a hunter...
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Gillia - 24.08.2006, 18:49
It's not that many cross class items, that have dropped for us dps classes besides the two rings we've gotten from Ragnaros, which both went to hunters. The rogues have had a jin ring, warriors a Gurubashi ring. No more (at least on the raids I've been on).
About bows/guns, all hunters were equipped with an epic weapon before rogues/warriors. This was done because we know it will take a while for you all to get your Leaf. But if you have a Mandokir's, Strikers and so forth, you're not gonna get a new ranged weapon before you get your leaf bow or better. It doesn't make any sence to pass out loot to people, who won't keep it for a long time. We have chosen to equip all hunters with an epic ranged weapon and before we give it to the rogues/warriors. This is actually more than most other guilds do...
Edit: spelled some stuff wrong :p
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Kax - 05.09.2006, 14:30
Well if theres too much argue about who should have the item, i can just take it for my priest set. Simple as it is =)
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Forgiven - 05.09.2006, 15:01
Weird u cant "need" on that :? Can't see why hunters couldn't benefit from it.
Now when u have started a gear debate i would like to debate why Band of Accuria http://www.thottbot.com/?i=37909 from raggy isn't a "rogues only" loot here in the beginning? It screams out for ROGUES imo!! :)
Hunters benefit from it? Sure they do, but they get there +hit capped out so easy. The +2% hit has much higher value for the rogues.
flame on :P
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Tyrio - 05.09.2006, 15:05
I rock'n roll
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Nucleus - 05.09.2006, 16:15
/agree with forgiven
But i know the hunter will let the next 2 dump on rogues
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Tyrio - 05.09.2006, 16:21
dream on
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Gillia - 05.09.2006, 21:19
Honostly I don't know sheit about how much hit is worth for hunters, but if it isn't worth as much for them as for rogues and dual wield warriors (refer to the math post in the warrior channel, I you'll benefit as much as rogues).
But what do I kow? I'm just a measly rogue. Noone likes us :)
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Tyrio - 05.09.2006, 22:23
jeah hunters dont need % hit, % crit, agi, stam, int, spirit, str ...etc... even armor
-.-
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Eager - 06.09.2006, 03:23
we know tyrio, why do you think we accept your puller-gear...
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Tyrio - 06.09.2006, 06:39
becuz im made of paper ? .... im dellicent ?
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Gillia - 06.09.2006, 08:29
Tyrio wrote: jeah hunters dont need % hit, % crit, agi, stam, int, spirit, str ...etc... even armor
-.-
Well, can you benefit from more than +6% to hit items?
The standard miss chance is 5%, 5.6% against a lvl 63 elite (boss), if you have 300 in your primary weaponskill and no bonus. As I posted in your forum, the only thing to hit items affect is our chance to miss. I dunno if it's worked out this way with ranged stuff, but I think so.
If you can't benefit from it, gief phad lewd to us, who has 23% miss chance (we get an extra 19% miss chance from dual wielding) :)
PS: Quick Strike rings is a bit more hunter and MS warrior loot, imo. Flame me, rogues and warriors, for saying this ;)
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Nucleus - 06.09.2006, 12:14
I think ur right Gillia, but as the hunters have gotten the 2 BoA, we should get the next QSR and BoA... :)
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Tyrio - 06.09.2006, 13:19
...we still go with the classroll, when we are in content with our rings we will start passing them nuc
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Nucleus - 06.09.2006, 13:33
U dont need to Tyrio - next time i will steal ur dice...
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Forgiven - 06.09.2006, 14:35
Thank you for your coorporation Tyrio. Its settled then: QSR can be class rolled and rogues can ninja the next BoA :lol:
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Gillia - 06.09.2006, 16:31
Bah, huntermsmunter.. just keep your raggi rings, we don't care anymore..
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Sqwert - 29.09.2006, 11:54Come on!
Stop with the pickins, and go get this ring insted:
http://wow.blupp.net/item.php?id=333202
Re: Do you think our Officer loot is managed fairly?
Tyrio - 29.09.2006, 12:28
...its only a blue
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