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Re: Überstzungshilfe
SwingCat - 07.07.2006, 19:03Überstzungshilfe
Weiss jemand was das Wort "weiner" (engl) auf deutsch heisst?
Babelfish hilft nix...!
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Black Dog - 07.07.2006, 20:11
In meinem Buch steht's auch nicht drin.
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Black Dog - 07.07.2006, 20:15
Velleicht hilft das weiter? :lol:
"Wiener"/"Weiner"- meaning of term(s)
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The term "weiner" appears to derive from "Vienna", i.e. "Wien" in German (but this is just a guess on my part). I have found, on the web, that "wiener" (also) describes a form of energetic walking punctuated by jumping about, apparently (as practised for fitness purposes presumably, unless the person doing it is not quite right in the head). "Weiner" relates to food (i.e. hot dogs). I believe it is used in the US. Can you confirm please what the meaning(s) is (are), and the difference between "wiener" and "weiner", if any.
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#2 8th January 2006, 01:21 AM
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Re: "Wiener"/"Weiner"- meaning of term(s)
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"Wiener" is a sausage. Weiner is a name. Both ie (pronounced E) and ei (pronounced I) tend to be pronounced E. Epsteen instead of Epstein. You may recall Dr. Frankensteen in Young Frankenstein. Maybe this is the reason for the confusion.
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#3 8th January 2006, 05:06 PM
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Re: "Wiener"/"Weiner"- meaning of term(s)
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River,
So, as I suspected, 'weiner' (which I have found on the web when referring to certain types of hot-dogs, and it was a US web site) is just a corruption of 'wiener', which is indeed a certain type of sausage, named after the city of Vienna ('Wien' in German). How do people pronounce 'wiener'? Do they pronounce it the German way with a 'v' (or ['vi:n-(r)], the hyphen replacing the schwah here, or neutral 'e' sound in English), or do they pronounce it in an English way (which must sound odd)? I am just curious to know.
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#4 8th January 2006, 05:29 PM
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Weiner is usually a misspelling of wiener, which is short for Wienerwurst/Wiener Wurst (Vienna sausage) meaning something like a hot dog. In the US we pronounce it 'weener' (English w sound) and it is also a slang term for penis (weenie, etc.) or wienerdog (dachshund).
Could you tell us more about 'wiener' walking? I have never heard of this.
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#5 8th January 2006, 05:34 PM
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Hi,
German "Wiener" = someone from Vienna ("Wien" in German).
In AE, you can use wiener, weiner, or wienerwurst, which is what Merriam Websters claims. The words are usually pronounced like "wee-nur", "wee-nee", "wyn-nee", or "wee-nuh". These are the pronunciations Merriam Websters suggests and allows. The closest prunciation to the German one is "wee-nuh", although the last sound is a schwa. In Germany, you use the German w [v] as in "vivid", in America it's presumably better to use an English "w" as in "water".
A synonym should be Frankfurter (from German "Frankfurt") pronounced like "fr-angk-fur-tuh".
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#6 8th January 2006, 06:17 PM
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Re: "Wiener"/"Weiner"- meaning of term(s)
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Wiener is pronounced weener. I think the pronunciation of "wein" varies in the US between ween and wine. As far as I know, the W is never pronounced V.
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#7 8th January 2006, 07:19 PM
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Re: "Wiener"/"Weiner"- meaning of term(s)
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'Frankfurter' is used in England, not 'wiener', to the best of my knowledge. Having double-checked my English-French dictionary under the correct spelling for 'wiener' (i.e. not 'weiner'), it does indicate that it is American English and pronounced 'w' (the English 'w') and not 'v' (since the 'w' sound does not exist in German and the German 'w' is pronounced 'v').
As for 'wiener' for 'power walking' etc, I know this sounds very odd and I will try and find the reference on the web when I have a minute, later on today or tomorrow, but I am quite sure I saw that while pre-checking. Could be linked to someone from Vienna or a Dr Wiener...
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#8 9th January 2006, 04:57 AM
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Re: "Wiener"/"Weiner"- meaning of term(s)
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In Austria, the thin sausages eaten hot and called Wiener in Germany and Switzerland, are called Frankfurter.
In Austria, there is a different salami-type sausage, the sort you eat as cold slices, called Wiener.
Note: In German you add -er to a place name to form the adjective, which can mean a person or a thing.
Berlin gives Berliner, Hamburg gives Hamburger, and so on.
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#9 9th January 2006, 11:42 AM
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Re: "Wiener"/"Weiner"- meaning of term(s)
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This is very interesting since it shows that similar or identical words are indeed borrowed/used in different ways in neighbouring countries where the same language is spoken, let alone adapted - more or less wrongly - across countries with differing languages (cf wiener/weiner).
I notice the other coincidences relating to your post, i.e. the fact you are in Australia and you are knowledgeable about Austria, and you have chosen a food-related pen-name! (I was travelling around S America many years ago and met several Austrians who were annoyed that the locals took them for Australians, since the names of the 2 countries are the same in Spanish and English...)
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#10 10th January 2006, 01:11 AM
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Re: "Wiener"/"Weiner"- meaning of term(s)
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I have checked whether I could find again the reference to 'wiener' and some form of power walking punctuated by jumping about, but have not been able to find it. Maybe I had a moment of madness yesterday - after all.
An extensive internet search did reveal a link between various professors and doctors from Austria/Central Europe who have written about the therapeutic virtues of walking, but not quite of the kind I described yesterday.
Other references to Wiener relate to a place in Austria and to 'wiener dogs' (not hot-dogs, but dachsunds).
This is all rather puzzling and it could just be that a Dr Wiener advocated what then became known as 'wiener walking'!
Obviously, this concept has now been created on the WWW thanks to the Word Reference Forum (as Cuchuflete would not doubt point out!), so do expect learned debates to come on this topic (not to be confused with 'silly walks' as pioneered by Monty Python).
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#11 10th January 2006, 01:22 AM
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Re: "Wiener"/"Weiner"- meaning of term(s)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by James Brandon
I have checked whether I could find again the reference to 'wiener' and some form of power walking punctuated by jumping about, but have not been able to find it. Maybe I had a moment of madness yesterday - after all.
Maybe it was about walking your wiener dog? :-)
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Other references to Wiener relate to a place in Austria
Hm... Vienna? :-)
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#12 10th January 2006, 01:26 AM
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Re: "Wiener"/"Weiner"- meaning of term(s)
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Vienna is Wien, as we know - there appears to be a place called Wiener. How someone from Wiener would be known in German may be worth looking into (a Wienerer maybe?).
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Re: Überstzungshilfe
Freddiebear - 07.07.2006, 22:23
Ich kann mal meinen Cousin aus Amerika fragen.
Falls es das Wort überhaupt gibt...
Re: Überstzungshilfe
SwingCat - 08.07.2006, 09:47
Das hift nix...ich bin doch englisch-laie!!!
Naja, das WOrt kommt in dem Robert Plant Interview vor!!
Ich kapierte das aber nicht in dem Zusammenhang!
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