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Re: Part from a Mustang P51??
Fozzy - 16.05.2009, 10:48Part from a Mustang P51??
Hi I found a part with this numbers on it.
97-61301-1 and 97-61301-2, its Nirosta V2A steel and could be from a crash site of a P51! Crashed 25. MAYi 1944 north of Stuttgart.
Who could confirm and knows about this part?
Thanks for helping
Fozzy
Re: Part from a Mustang P51??
Pathfinder - 16.05.2009, 13:07
Fozzy,
in my part catalog I have not found this numbers, but a similar : 97-61348
Do you have found round or oval stamps on the part ?
A photo would be helpful ;)
Regards
Nils
Re: Part from a Mustang P51??
Fozzy - 18.05.2009, 11:16now a foto
Now a picture of the part.
Re: Part from a Mustang P51??
Paul - 18.05.2009, 15:26
The part without the number is one of the ammo rollers !
Any information on that Mustang? :cool:
Nils, the one with the number makes me thing of the top end of 109-61353....
Paul
Re: Part from a Mustang P51??
Pathfinder - 18.05.2009, 18:31
Paul,
sadly it is no detailed drawing of this part in the part list.
The number 109-61353 is the
"Bracket Assembly - Wing fixed outboard gun feed chute attaching LH"
109-61353-1 is the same, but RH.
The Roller have the part number 6R2-2
Regards
Nils
Re: Part from a Mustang P51??
Fozzy - 20.05.2009, 17:25
Hi Paul,
some details about the Mustang
Serialnumber 43-6633, VF-Q, Little Mac, 4th FG, 336 Squadron, Pilot Thomas K. McDill, POW, Combat with Lt. Koplik from JG1, Date 25th Mai 1944
By the way, next monday 65 years ago!!
Paul do you have anything more about?
Regards
fozzy
Re: Part from a Mustang P51??
Paul - 21.05.2009, 07:31
Fozzy,
Danke !
You might have a look at http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/gallery.php?Group=4&Style=searchItem&Item=0&searchString=McDill
Gr.
Paul
Re: Part from a Mustang P51??
Flyingkag - 29.05.2009, 23:02
Hi all,
in an old topic I asked about serial 109-61369.
Now with the help of your drowing it seems it could be the n°2 on this drowing. Picture attached. It is the biggest part on the picture. The other ones parts on the picture seem to belong to the gun system to (same metal with serial 109-61807).
Best regards.
Mathias
Re: Part from a Mustang P51??
Pathfinder - 30.05.2009, 00:08
The part on your photo looks like as the same as the no. 2 :n108:
Regards
Nils
Re: Part from a Mustang P51??
Flyingkag - 20.06.2009, 00:30
Hi all,
I have some more very important questions about this part 109-61369:
This part in "my crash" history could maybe prove, that the pilot shot NO round in the dogfight as he died.
The archives of the aircraft (aircraft card) and squadron history says that this brand new F-6D had had no encounter with enemy before the day he crashed.
So it is probable that the machineguns never were fired before.
I would like to know if we can "read" something , and conclude, with the little signs that the ammo belt let on it. I explain:
On the plate 109-61369 we can observe the trace of 4 iron ammo belt links. When I Observe them with magnifying glass, I can see that there are NO trace of any transversal movement; that would show that the belt had NOT moved from right to left. The little trace are resulting from the vibrations of the belt in the ammo box, in flight or on landing etc...
If I am right , that would say that the ammo belt was not moved over (under?) this part, and that would say that the guns were not fired!
- what do you think about this hypothesis?
- If I look at the drawing above, this part (N° 2) would have been placed OVER the ammo belt. But logicaly it would have been (a little bit) scratched if the belt would have been mooved (if guns would have been activated) Right? In my case the olive painture is totaly unscratched at the suoposed contact points beetwin the belt and this N° 2 part (arrow on picture).
The MACR of the died pilot let imagine, that he NEVER had been in a position of firing his guns, being all the time followed by the german Messerschmitts.
Do you think we can conclude on this?
Thanks for help!
Mathias
Re: Part from a Mustang P51??
Flyingkag - 20.06.2009, 00:41
And here two more parts of this gun system, found yesterday evening;
allways same metal and form than the others (look at picture above in same topic). This time the serial are 106-14807 4 (left) and 109-61807 5 (right).
I can observe NO difference between those both parts.
Who could find a Foto ore more detailled drawing of this assembly? It seems much of us would find much answers with such a document!!!
Mathias
Re: Part from a Mustang P51??
Flyingkag - 20.06.2009, 00:48
It's not finished!
I just looked a little bit more on both arts in precedent message, and saw that BOTH parts have the BOTH serial, one on each side.
So wa can observe the prefixe 109 and 106 on same part!
Mathias
Re: Part from a Mustang P51??
Roy N - 20.06.2009, 20:19
Mathias,
the guns may never have been fired in the air, but im sure they would have been fired at some time.
i think the armourers and ground crew would have had to put the aircraft in the firing butts to test fire the guns to check that they were all set for the correct distance and angle. all the guns would have to be set so all their rounds would meet at the same point, maybe 2 or 3 hundred metres ahead. (this could be a lot more or less). would think this was done at least once, when the aircraft first arrived at its base, if not at the factory.
Regards
Roy
Re: Part from a Mustang P51??
Flyingkag - 21.06.2009, 21:40
Hi Roy,
You're allright, and I tought the same as you after having written my message. The guns musted have been adjusted, and some belts probably must have been shot at this occasion.
That is why I'm estonished that this had let NO TRACE on this painted part, but I have no explaination for it.The little reliefs in the olive painture are absolutly intact, with not the most little trace of a transversal nmovement!!!
Thanks for your answer!
Mathias
Re: Part from a Mustang P51??
Anonymous - 07.08.2009, 04:19
P-51 Mustang VF-Q ( Part found )
The pilot, Lt. Thomas K. McDill, was my uncle. If you have questions regarding the May 25 aerial engagement I have collected a few details, as reported by American 4th-FG pilots on the mission that day.
I know Lt. Koplick ( Another German source gave the spelling as
Kopplich) was the pilot that down McDill's P-51.
Russell McDill Brengelman <rbrengelman>
I am an associate member of the Association of the 4th FG -WWII
Re: Part from a Mustang P51??
Paul - 07.08.2009, 11:45
Welcome !
I'm sure our member Fozzy will be interested !
Take care,
Paul
Re: Part from a Mustang P51??
Anonymous - 20.08.2009, 03:57
P-51 Mustang VF-Q ? This may possibly help confirm that the part is from the VF-Q SN 43-6633. An eye witness on the ground reported the aircraft impacted in the forest "less that 2 km south of the town of Ingersheim."
Russ, Guest
Re: Part from a Mustang P51??
Fozzy - 22.04.2010, 11:07McDill information
Dear Russ,
could you contact me for information about your uncle McDill?
Any picture possible?
Sorry for late reponse.
Fozzy
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