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Re: AEther-Spellbomb auf Memnarch
Anonymous - 17.01.2005, 21:29AEther-Spellbomb auf Memnarch
Opfert man die spruchbombe und will Memnarch auf die hand
zurückschicken, Memnarch spielt aber nachher seine fähigkeit um die
Spruchbmbe zu kontrollieren, kann man die aktivierungskosten der
spruchbombe erneut spielen oder wenn andersrum memnarch seine
aktivierungskosten erneut spielen?? :scratch:
Re: AEther-Spellbomb auf Memnarch
EvEN - 17.01.2005, 21:37
Also erstmal Text von der Spellbomb anschauen:
1, Sacrifice Æther Spellbomb: Return target creature to its owner’s hand.
Wie wir ja wissen steht links von dem Doppelpunkt immer die Kosten für die Fähigkeit, die da wären "1, Sacrifice Æther Spellbomb". D.h. wenn man die Fähigkeit einsetzen will dann muss man als aller erstes die Kosten bezahlen, wobei kein anderer Spieler was machen kann während man die Kosten bezahlt. Und da ein Teil der Kosten daraus bestehen die Spellbomb zu opfern, kann man die Fähigkeit vom Memnarch nicht mehr aud die Bombe einsetzen da sie ja nichtmehr im Spiel ist!
Falls sie jedoch als Kosten z.B. nur "1: Return ...." hätte dann könnte man wenn ein Spieler die Fähigkeit einsetzt mit dem Memnarch darauf reagieren und die Bombe übernehmen. Jedoch wurder trotzdem die Kreatur auf die man mit der Bombe Ziehlt auf die Hand zurück gehen.
(Zusatz, Ausschnitt aus dem Regelbuch(http://www.wizards.com/magic/comprules/MagicCompRules041001.txt) wichtige Stellen unterstrichen:
409.1. Playing a spell or activated ability follows the steps listed below, in order. If, at any point during the playing of a spell or ability, a player is unable to comply with any of the steps listed below, the spell was played illegally; the game returns to the moment before that spell or ability was played (see rule 422, "Handling Illegal Actions"). Announcements and payments can't be altered after they've been made.
409.1a The player announces that he or she is playing the spell or activated ability. It moves from the zone it's in to the stack and remains there until it's countered or resolves. In the case of spells, the physical card goes onto the stack. In the case of activated abilities, the ability goes onto the stack without any card associated with it. Each spell has all the characteristics of the card associated with it. Each activated ability that's on the stack has the text of the ability that created it, and no other characteristics. The controller of a spell is the player who played the spell. The controller of an activated ability is the player who played the ability.
409.1b If the spell or ability is modal (uses the phrase "Choose one -" or "[specified player] chooses one -"), the player announces the mode choice. If the spell or ability has a variable mana cost (indicated by {oX}) or some other variable cost, the player announces the value of that variable at this time. If the spell or ability has alternative, additional, or other special costs (such as buyback or kicker costs), the player announces his or her intentions to pay any or all of those costs (see rule 409.1f). You can't apply two alternative methods of playing or two alternative costs to a single spell or ability. Previously made choices (such as choosing to play a spell with flashback from his or her graveyard or choosing to play a creature with morph face down) may restrict the player's options when making these choices.
409.1c If the spell or ability requires any targets, the player first announces how many targets he or she will choose (if the spell or ability has a variable number of targets), then announces the targets themselves. A spell or ability can't be played unless the required number of legal targets are chosen. The same target can't be chosen multiple times for any one instance of the word "target" on the spell or ability. If the spell or ability uses the word "target" in multiple places, the same object or player can be chosen once for each instance of the word "target" (as long as it fits the targeting criteria).
Example: If an ability reads "Tap two target creatures," then the same target can't be chosen twice; the ability requires two different legal targets. An ability that reads "Destroy target artifact and target land," however, can target the same artifact land twice because it uses the word "target" in multiple places.
409.1d If the spell or ability targets one or more targets only if an alternative, additional, or special cost (such as a buyback or kicker cost) is paid for it, or if a particular mode is chosen for it, its controller chooses those targets only if he or she announced the intention to pay that cost or chose that mode. Otherwise, the spell or ability is played as though it did not have those targets.
409.1e If the spell or ability affects several targets in different ways, the player announces how it will affect each target. If the spell or ability requires the player to divide or distribute an effect (such as damage or counters) among one or more targets, or any number of untargeted objects or players, the player announces the division. Each of these targets, objects, or players must receive at least one of whatever is being divided.
409.1f The player determines the total cost of the spell or ability. Usually this is just the mana cost (for spells) or activation cost (for abilities). Some cards list additional or alternative costs in their text, and some effects may increase or reduce the cost to pay. Costs may include paying mana, tapping permanents, sacrificing permanents, discarding cards, and so on. The total cost is the mana cost, activation cost, or alternative cost, plus all cost increases and minus all cost reductions. Once the total cost is determined, it becomes "locked in." If effects would change the total cost after this time, they have no effect.
409.1g If the total cost includes a mana payment, the player then has a chance to play mana abilities (see rule 411, "Playing Mana Abilities"). Mana abilities must be played before costs are paid.
409.1h The player pays the total cost in any order. Partial payments are not allowed.
Example: You play Death Bomb, which costs {o3}{oB} and has an additional cost of sacrificing a creature. You sacrifice Thunderscape Familiar, whose effect makes your black spells cost {o1} less to play. Because a spell's total cost is "locked in" before payments are actually made, you pay {o2}{oB}, not {o3}{oB}, even though you're sacrificing the Familiar.
409.1i Once the steps described in 409.1a-409.1h are completed, the spell or ability becomes played. Any abilities that trigger on a spell or ability being played or put onto the stack trigger at this time. The spell or ability's controller gets priority.
409.2. Some spells and abilities specify that their controller's opponent does something the controller would normally do while it's being played, such as choose a mode, choose targets, or choose how the spell or ability will affect its targets. In these cases, the opponent does so when the spell or ability's controller normally would do so. If the spell or ability instructs both players to do something at the same time as it's being played, the spell's controller goes first, then his or her opponent. This is an exception to rule 103.4.
409.3. Playing a spell or ability that alters costs won't do anything to spells and abilities that are already on the stack.
409.4 A player can't begin to play a spell or activated ability that's prohibited from being played by an effect.)
Also:
1. Ziele sagen.
2. Kosten bezahlen
3. Du selber bist nochmal dran und kannst noch einen Instant oder Fähigkeit spielen.
4. Wenn du nix mehr machen willst dann ist der Gegner dran und kann was machen.
)
Re: AEther-Spellbomb auf Memnarch
<iT>PaiN - 17.01.2005, 22:10
Dem stimm ich zu un damit ihr nich alles lesen müsst lest einfach das
deutsche und die 409.1f. Denn wie wir wissen übertreibt er immer ein
wenig :downtown:
Re: AEther-Spellbomb auf Memnarch
EvEN - 17.01.2005, 23:35
Gibt es die ausfühlriche Version auch in Deutsch?
Dachte die gäbs nur in Englisch :P
Schick mir bei Gelegenheit mal den Link dazu bitte :wink:
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