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Re: Stratovarius
Laura - 19.07.2007, 10:08Stratovarius
Irgendwo gabs da mal die Frage, wann Strato ihr neues Album rausbringen. Am MoR-Festival interviewte ein Bekannter die beiden Timos und die sagten, dass das Erscheinen noch ungewiss ist, da sie mit ihrer deutschen Plattenfirma Probleme haben (dürfte dieselbe sein, weswegen sich die GR-DVD so verzögert), weil die dicht gemacht hat.
Das heißt also warten ... :?
Re: Stratovarius
Wanda - 19.07.2007, 21:06
Ich weiß jetzt nicht mehr, wo ich es her hab, aber ich hab an sich gehört, daß von neuen Album sogar schon der Titel steht (hab aber vergessen, wie es heißen soll) ...
... naja, wenn denen die Plattenfirma eingeht, hilft ihnen die fertigste aller Platten nix :? !
Re: Stratovarius
Laura - 19.07.2007, 21:17
Also ich bild mir ein, dass der Kotipelto beim Abschied auf der Bühne gesagt hat, dass sie im Frühjahr mit ihrer neuen CD touren werden. Aber gut, ich hab halt schon das Gehör einer tauben Metalgranny, denn dann hab ich von besagtem Interview erfahren.
Re: Stratovarius
MazeHard - 21.07.2007, 09:53
HÄ? Das glaub ich nicht, dass deren Plattenfirma pleite ist - die sind doch bei SPV!!!! Die haben doch erst ganz deutschland mkit der neuen Motörhead tapeziert... :shock:
Re: Stratovarius
Laura - 21.07.2007, 12:56
Genaueres weiß ich im Moment leider auch nicht. Aber sobald das Interview online ist, geb ich euch Bescheid.
Re: Stratovarius
Wanda - 25.07.2007, 21:23
Ja, die Ankündigung vim Kotipelto hab ich auch gehört, & ich war nachher umso erstaunter, als es hieß, sie wissen noch gar nicht, wann das Album überhaupt rauskommt. Dann ist es nämlich recht mutig, für Anfang 2008 schon eine Tour anzukündigen ...
Re: Stratovarius
Anonymous - 02.04.2008, 18:23
Schlechte News für Strato-Fans (wie ich einer bin). Strato haben mich durch so viele Jahre begleitet und jetzt ist es Gewissheit: sie lösen sich auf! :cry: :cry: :cry:
Gitarrist und Bandleader Timo Tolkki hat seine Gruppe STRATOVARIUS zu Grabe getragen. Seine Musikerkollegen hat er davon bereits im Oktober in Kenntnis gesetzt. Nach dem Release des letzten selbstbetitelten Studioalbums 2005 wurde die Atmosphäre innerhalb des Bandgefüges immer schlechter, weshalb Tolkki keinen anderen Weg sah, als die Notbremse zu ziehen. Seine neue Band REVOLUTION RENAISSANCE veröffentlicht am 6. Juni über Frontiers Records "New Era", auf dem prominente Gäste wie Michael Kiske (ex-HELLOWEEN) und Tobias Sammet (EDGUY, AVANTASIA) mitwirken. An der Live-Front will er auch weiterhin mit seiner neuen Kapelle STRATOVARIUS-Stücke bringen.
Hier das komplette Statement von Tolki in englischer Sprache:
"It is time to stop the silence and announce what some of you have already been speculating. STRATOVARIUS is no more.
"Last October I told the guys that I am stopping the band and told them the reasons why.
"This letter is addressed to you, STRATOVARIUS fans, who have supported the band for so many years.
"I first thought that I would write just a very generelized, typical 'music business' statement that basically never says anything. Then I decided that you deserve to hear at least parts of the truth what has been going on behind the scenes so you will be able to understand my decision better.
"All the time, since Timo Kotipelto [vocals] and Jörg [Michael, drums] joined the band, there have been tensions and negativity flying around. This has been concentrating on me, Timo Kotipelto and Jörg.
"The reasons Jari Kainulainen [bass] was fired some years back were so absurd that I am not even try to explain them here. If I write a book one day, maybe then.
"Anyways, I think the seeds were planted already back then, something like 12 years ago. There were many confrontations, Jörg has been complaining to me about Timo Kotipelto and Timo Kotipelto complaining to me about Jörg. At a times it was a mess, although of course, it never would show outside to the fans.
"It is not my intention to disrespect Timo Kotipelto and Jörg here. They are both fundamentally good guys. Things just sometimes happen and relationships go to directions we don't want them to go. It's like a divorce, nobody wants it to happen but sometimes it is best for all so everyone can continue their own lives. Plus I want to tell how things have been behind the curtains. You always only see the good side anyway, you don't really know what is going on.
"We had amazing years, 14 records, 6 world tours with over a thousand shows all across the globe, 3 gold discs, a Finnish Grammy and almost 3 million records sold.
"I have arrived to my decision after careful, long and rational thinking of over a year and I know it is the right way for me. I just felt so bad being in STRATOVARIUS. Something was terribly wrong in there and nobody seemed to care.
"The countdown really started from the last STRATOVARIUS album in 2005. At that time the atmosphere in the band was extremely weird. I had spent most of 2004 recovering from my nervous breakdown in April 2004 when I was hospitalized. It was at this point when things started to change. Jens [Johansson, keyboards] supported me immensely during 2004 with his phone calls. We then did that 'Stratovarius' album, which I think is an awful album and went for the subsequent tour production. By that time it was apparent to me that things really were bad. Nobody seemed to care about anything. I had the idea to use projection screens and for that, you need to produce graphics. I planned those and basically the whole show. Nobody seemed to have any interest in it. It was more like, the less the better. The atmosphere at the rehearsals was awful. Lauri Porra [bass] who had just joined the band was wondering what is going on with this band. Jörg Michael came straight from SAXON to this tour wearing a SAXON shirt during most of the shows. His attitude for most of the tour was extremely arrogant, pretty much towards everybody. But especially towards me and Timo Kotipelto. And Timo Kotipelto's attitude towards me was lukewarm and polite, but I could sense the hostility. Of course, we as professionals put on very good shows but it was more craftmanship and rehearsed performance than a great united band playing emotionally from the heart.
"I think Timo Kotipelto was always very bitter about that he could not get his songs and/or lyrics on STRATO records. I did not understand this really 'cause he had/has his solo band where he could do what he wanted. It took me many years to learn to simply tell him that I don't like his songwriting and lyrics and that the main difference between me and him is that I am writing songs that end up being STRATO songs while he is trying to write STRATO songs that end up being KOTIPELTO songs, which means they belong on a KOTIPELTO record.
"It is not easy to say to someone that you don't like his music. You guys and girls dont like all music, neither do I. Neither does Timo Kotipelto.
"I am not anyone to tell what is good and what is bad music, but I do can tell what kind of music I like. And Timo Kotipelto's stuff just doesn't do it for me.
"I do have to say that I think he has written many great songs as well during his solo career. Plus he probably would say the same things about my songwriting. We are just very different. He has a very different sense of humor than I have.
"Maybe the weirdest thing in STRATO was that we never really were friends in the band. I visited Timo Kotipelto in 12 years perhaps 5 times. To me Jens was the closest in the band and lately Lauri Porra, who is a wonderful guy. But none of use was really ever real friends. It might be surprising to you but that is the truth.
"The tour continued and Jörg's drum roadie told me drunk that Jörg is leaving the band after the tour but he is doing the tour 'cause 'he is a businessman.' I guess you could say that Jörg's attitude pretty much culminated what he said to me in Seattle on that tour. He told me that he thinks the band is over. We tried to record, third time, a live DVD in Sao Paulo but could not use the shootings because we played so badly. It was just plain awful. Although we rocked lot of crowds on that 120-date world tour, still the overall vibe was very much like 'going to work.' Not for me though. Not still at that point. But it felt to me that nobody's heart was in the band and it was just for the money.
"The tour came and went, we survived and Jörg didn't leave the band. But it was the weirdest tour I have ever done. Very successful, but still it felt like forcing something. It was not fun. It was sad.
"The next thing I had in mind was to write a really fresh good old fashioned power metal album in the vein of 'Visions'. I felt our fans deserved it and I felt it was the right thing to do. This was the infamous 'RR' album. The songwriting was flowing and the songs sounded really nice and melodic and very much like old STRATO. I was all the time on my toes because of the situation in the band and I was anticipating difficult recording sessions.
"Anyways in late 2006 we completed a demo tape containing 10 brand new songs. I wasn't too happy about the demo, but it did serve its purpose, to present the songs to the record company. I then booked 12 days from Sonic Pump studio in Helsinki for March 2007. This was the weirdest session I had ever had. Jörg was all the time talking about that we have to get the 'Visions hunger' back, although I don't think he himself had that hunger. Nobody had. The session was nothing like the recording sessions before. Nobody had rehearsed the songs really and everything sounded pretty awful. I tweaked the drum tracks for a week and gave up. It was around this point when I really was starting to think why am I keeping this alive when it's so difficult. I remember how much time, energy and money we put to 'Elements 1'. There was nowhere to go after that anymore without just repeating the past. I do know that Timo Kotipelto didn't like that album at all, which yet again shows the difference between him me. It doesn't mean that he has to like it of course, but to me 'Elements 1' represents the peak of the STRATO evolution and perhaps I should have stopped the band already then.
"Last year, 2007, was the turning point for me in many ways. I felt better, but regarding STRATO I felt worse. There were fights about everything, even about trivialities, which really annoyed me. A lot of fights. A lot. I had to use a lot of energy to try to get merch to Stratoshop, which was on the shoulders of Jörg and Timo Kotipelto, because there was no merch for people to order but still they were ordering cause the items were on the page. The SSL certificate that proves the site is secure was expired a year ago, I tried to get that fixed, could not do it because I wasn't authorized to do so. The most popular items from the shop were sold out and Jörg refused to print more. I could not understand any of the things that were going on. At the same time, I was having more fun than in years with my rock opera 'Saana'. When I was making that, I realized what was lacking in STRATO: the enthusiasm, creativity and fun. It wasn't like that in years. 'Saana' gave me hope that there still could be something new for me to learn at this age and it gave me a whole new world of things and a start for something new. Plus I knew I had some really cool new metal songs in the works.
"We did have 8 festival shows during 2007 and it was then, when I was standing on stage in Wacken, Germany before 45,000 metalheads when I fully realized that this band is over. I remember clearly playing those same old songs we had played so many times before and a feeling came to me that told me: this band has no soul anymore. I looked around and I felt like I am part of a play that has a script or machine and that there is nothing fresh and exciting happening anymore. The band sounds awful. Nobody's heart was in it. It was just the same old song. Jörg worked at this point full time in artist production company doing tour managing and he was working at Wacken too. He literally came to play from production office and returned there after. Everybody was polite, on the surface, but there was no friendship, all I could sense were the underlying tensions of relatioships that had come to an end. I had felt during that year that the band existed only for one reason and that was the money. I had felt that this was the main motivation what kept Jörg and Timo Kotipelto in the band still despite of the underlying tensions. While standing on Wacken stage to my absolute horror, I understood that also for me that had now become a reality. I was keeping this alive for money. It was then when I decided that I must stop the band.
"So it was during this show, I decided that it's over. I was still thinking about everything but I felt that for my future, it was the only logical thing to do. I did not want to fire Timo Kotipelto and Jörg because they are and have been as much part of STRATO as I have been and it would not be fair to the fans. I then decided that it is best to lay rest what is already dead. I informed guys by email in October 2008 about my decision and explained in detail my reasons hoping they would see my points and agree what is real. Only Jens and Lauri answered. Timo Kotipelto and Jörg did not even answer to that mail. Jens understood my decision, Lauri did not. I understand him, he got a taste of what it is to be in a succesful rock band touring the world. It is not easy to give that up. He did fail to see my side of the story. That Timo Kotipelto and Jörg did not comment anything really speaks for itself. I did want to finish the STRATOVARIUS saga with style and naive as I am, in February 2008 I wrote a mail to the band and proposed that we would say goodbye to our fans with style and do one more tour. I won't go into details here, but this time I did get a response from Timo Kotipelto and Jörg. I wished them well and wrote back that I can see there cannot be any more tours with this band because of the hostile reactions. So that was that. I felt good about my decision, but not good that out of legal reasons I have had to wait for this announcement for so long.
"Then I thought that since I have all these great songs in my hands, I wanna put these out somehow. So I contacted a few friends, we laid the basic tracks in the same place where the STRATO 'RR' session had taken place a year ago and it was just flowing. There was happiness. There was energy. The songs sounded great. My friends Michael Kiske and Tobias Sammet agreed to sing on the album. I decided to form a new band called 'REVOLUTION RENAISSANCE' which would continue the legacy of STRATOVARIUS. In this first album I just wanted to release these songs finally so I did not have time to search for a permanent line up. I am now, so if you are interested, drop me a mail!
"The album comes out 6.6.2008 through Frontiers Records.
"I am excited and happy…for the first time in years. I can hardly wait what the destiny has in store for me with my new band, projects, songwriting. I am living a very creative times. I have my production company and I am doing lots of different projects and not only metal but basically anything that moves me.
"First I would like to, despite of all, thank Jörg, Timo Kotipelto, Jens, Jari, Lauri, Tuomo, Antti and Jyrki for these 22 years. It was a quite a ride. I wish Jens, Timo Kotipelto, Jörg and Lauri the very best with whatever they decide to do in their life and success with it.
"Last but most importantly, I want to thank you STRATOVARIUS fans for your love and support and for the great life. We will be seeing each other in some ways, somewhere. You will always remain in my heart."
ps: Und was soll der mathematische Dreck da unten? Kann man einer halbblinden Metalgranny zumuten, einen Buchstaben zu suchen? :shock:
Re: Stratovarius
Laura - 02.04.2008, 18:25
Der Gast war ich ... war vor lauter Trauer nicht eingeloggt. Und jetzt muß ich auch keine Zahlen mehr erraten oder so :roll: . Und das an einem Tag wie heute!
Re: Stratovarius
Wanda - 10.04.2008, 18:30
*Seufz* ... ich will ja nicht sagen, daß ich's geahnt habe, weil ich es wirkl. nicht habe - aber eigentl. hätte man es ja ahnen MÜSSEN! Nach all dem, was da los war, kam die ach-so-herzliche Versöhnung doch ein bißchen prompt, die neue Platte noch prompter & auf der Tour hatten sie sich ja alle so lieb ... Ich mein, nicht daß das nur geheuchelt war, aber es konnte ja nicht lang / für immer anhalten! Und dann noch die Geschichte mit der Tolkki-Soloplatte, die auf einmal den Titel des gängigen Strato-Albums "erbte" ... Gut, gerad ebei Strato gab es in letzter Zeit die irrsten "Bocksprünge", aber diesmal ist es wirkl. ernst, glaub ich :( .
Abgesehen von alledem bis ich fast erschrocken, wie Strato letzten Sommer auf einem Festival gesehen habe: meiner Meinung nach ist der Timo Tolkki näml. ein schwerkranker Mann. Gut & schön, nach so einem langen, heißen Festival-Tag schaut jede/r aus wie eine lebende Leiche, ich glaube aber trotzdem, daß es dem gesundheitl. bei weitem schlechter geht, als er seinen Fans (& sich selber) weismachen will.
Aber immerhin hatte er das Format, einen Schlußstrich zu ziehen, anstatt seine Band irgendwie weiterruachln zu lassen. Und Strato war einfach großartig, fantastisch & stilbildend, & so soll man sich auch an sie erinnern!
Aber, trotzdem: Wien ist die Zeilscheibe minderwertiger Maiden-Witze & Strato lösen sich auf :( ... was ist nur mit der Metal-Welt los :roll: ???
Re: Stratovarius
Wanda - 23.06.2008, 17:43
So, wie es ausschaut, kommt in der nächsten Zeit eine Mege Strato auf uns zu:
1.) Strato ohne Tolkki, aber mit den verbliebenen Stratovarianern,d ie schon eifrig an ihrer neuen CD arbeiten, nur noch nicht wissen, ob sie diese noch als "Stratovarius" veröffentlichen:
http://www.stormbringer.at/news.php?id=4209
Und, obendrein:
2.) Strato mit Timo Tolkki, aber ohne den vertrauten Stratos, dafür aber definitiv unter diesem Bandnamen:
http://www.stormbringer.at/news.php?id=4223
Und als Draufgabe:
3.) In MySpace verkündete Timo, daß er schon einen Verlag für sein Buch gefunden habe, in dem er zwar nicht über Strato schreiben, aber sehr wohl darlegen will, wie das damals mit dem Attentat auf ihn, mit dieser Mrs. K. & mit einigen anderen Dingen wirklich war. Angebl. hat der Verlag (lt. Timo) deswegen schön Drohbriefe von den Reststratos bekommen ...
Nun,wie es scheint, sorgen sogar noch die aufgelösten Stratos für Leben in der Bude ... und wenn dieses Buch wirkl. zustandekommt & es anstandslos & zu einem vernünftigen Preis zu haben ist, dann kauf ich es mir als brave/überzeugte/neugierige Schwermetallerin doch wirkl. ;) !
Re: Stratovarius
MazeHard - 29.06.2008, 16:47
Ach du S..., Tolkki will wieder singen!!! :evil:
Re: Stratovarius
Wanda - 03.07.2008, 22:19
Wenn er dafür so ein Album wie "Fright Night" hinlegt, soll er ruhig ...
Re: Stratovarius
Laura - 26.08.2008, 19:26
Und der Nachfolger von Timo Tolkki ist Matias Kupiainen: http://www.myspace.com/matiaskupiainen
Na, ich bin gespannt, was diese Truppe aus Strato macht :?
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