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Re: AIDS Day
Roxy - 01.12.2004, 20:19AIDS Day
Just wanted to remember to you all that today is the World Aids Day. For those of you who want to know more on how to fight against HIV and how to help those who are affected by HIV and AIDS, please check www.aids.org
Maybe this is not the right place for such a topic, but since we discussed of almost everything on this forum, I thought to post this too.
Guys, have fun out there, but please be careful... :wink:
Re: AIDS Day
atlantis - 03.12.2004, 11:09
Sorry for the late reply.
Don't worry about it seeming inappropriate, it's really appropriate to everyone! YAY to a belated AIDS Day! :)
We need to educate (especially people like those in rural Nepal...)
Re: AIDS Day
Roxy - 03.12.2004, 15:24
You are right, things would be better if people would get the right info about it. But what really drives me mad is to see the nasty business behind the medicine's market, especially in countries like Africa, where the problem is bigger than anywhere else :evil: There's really no respect for human lives; always the same old story... some people would do anything for money and power, who cares if people die...
Re: AIDS Day
USArmy - 12.12.2004, 06:31Re: AIDS Day
Yes; Africa is a real piss-hole nowadays, sorry to say. Many states are projected already to be "failed states" because of the deadly virus - simply too many people infected at present to stop the spread of the disease. Through sheer force of inertia, it spreads.
You touched on two of the most vital aspects of fighting the AIDS virus - education, and medicines. In many parts of Africa AIDS is seen as some sort of personal flaw that someone got because they 'deserved' and which can be contracted much like a cold or the flu; simply by being around them. So, in many cases, the ones who need the most care are ostracized. Even if they were to receive treatment, however, the chances of them getting the proper retroviral medications are slim due to the cost and availability of such medicines (many nations are, however, working on cheaper, more easily produced versions at great success. But you can't expect a corporation to give them away).
It's a pity that abstinence - the real key in stopping the spread of AIDS - isn't being stressed more. Apparently some think the idea of keeping it in their pants is insulting or in some way a religious restriction. Of course, they'll have a lot more time to think about it as they writhe in agony at the hospital...
Re: AIDS Day
Roxy - 12.12.2004, 13:11Re: AIDS Day
USArmy wrote:
It's a pity that abstinence - the real key in stopping the spread of AIDS - isn't being stressed more. Apparently some think the idea of keeping it in their pants is insulting or in some way a religious restriction. Of course, they'll have a lot more time to think about it as they writhe in agony at the hospital...
Unless you practice abstinence for a religious or personal moral choice (and in this case you have my deepest respect, though it's not my style of life), it's a huge mistake saying that abstinence is the only way to stop AIDS. And this kind of ignorance (intended as a lack of information) is basically what doctors try to fight. And it's also very dangerous. It's hard to stop a teen ager (and even an adult :wink: ) by living his/her sexual life; and simply telling them it's something they mustn't do makes things worse. The more you tell them not to do it, they more they'd like to do it. And when they decide to do it at any rate, they would have no info on how to avoid getting infected. Again, unless it's a religious/moral personal decision, don't tell them not to do it, but teach them how to do it in a responsable way! I don't practice abstinence and that's the reason why I am rather informed on it, 'cause I like to live my life with responsability. But since there are also people under 18 on this board, I don't feel free of talking of such a delicate subject like sex, since I don't know them personally and don't know anything about the education they got.
And I wouldn't say Africa is a piss-hole and that the virus spreads for inertia. Apart from the fact that it's a wonderful country with great resources, you should wonder why they don't get the right medicines they need, but some lighter stuff that costs much more and have got a very little curative power (and this is just one example). We are not talking of the ebola virus, we are talking of Aids. It could be stop, but some *people* don't do anything to stop it... Money is a strong god.... :?
Re: AIDS Day
atlantis - 15.12.2004, 16:10
You're right. Restriction is a sure shot way of fueling desire, in every case. Even though I'm just 16, I've had my closest friends succumb to drugs, and mostly because the environment provided to them at home was too restrictive and they couldn't express themselves! It's sad...
And thank heavens that they're mostly all out of it. And thank heavens it was metal that taught me to love my self (and those around me).
That's the reason I feel if you try to stop something excessively, the results maybe excessively negative. My dad says somethings around the lines of "The more the resistance, the more the energy", and I think he's right.
There is flaw in education as well, though. Even though those friends who fell in the trap recieved enough education and the harmful effects of narcotics, they still went ahead. So education and a supportive environment is neccessary. I don't know how Africa can recieve these!
Re: AIDS Day
USArmy - 16.12.2004, 20:45Re: Abstinence and everything else
Abstinence is 100% effective in combatting the AIDS virus. What other form of prevention is? None; contraceptives (which Catholics are barred from using for religious reasons) do not work, education does not work, and retroviral medicines are generally expensive and hard to get. To stop the spread of AIDS, casual sex has to stop. Heck; to halt the destruction of society, casual sex has to stop.
Even if you're not religious, read "Theology of the Body" by John Paul II. It's a work of art when it comes down to the relationship between a man and a woman, sex, the effect on society, etc. Brilliance, really...
Africa is a continent marred by constant civil war, famine, insurrection, and disease. With a few exceptions, it's not a pretty place. The AIDS virus is so prominent in some places - we're talking 20-40% of the population here - that through sheer force of inertia alone it will continue to spread until the entire population dies out; unless, of course, people stop having sex. Abstinence or die. Who woulda' thunk it??
Per resistence fueling desire; I disagree. We all know it's wrong to kill people.
Why haven't we killed?
Re: AIDS Day
Roxy - 16.12.2004, 23:38Re: Abstinence and everything else
USArmy wrote: Abstinence is 100% effective in combatting the AIDS virus. What other form of prevention is? None; contraceptives (which Catholics are barred from using for religious reasons) do not work, education does not work,
As I wrote, unless you practice abstinence as a religious choice (and that has nothing to do with fighting aids, it's ONLY a personal choice), that's not the one and only way to fight Aids. You should talk to some doctors as I did. As for contraceptives, ever heard of condoms? If used correctly, they work, darling. I know the Catholic Church doesn't agree with using condoms but this doesn't mean that they don't work; what the Church tells you to do is part of your belief/education that not all the people on this planet may understand/agree. But as I said before, I think this is not the right place to talk about such a delicate subject explicitly. With posting this topic I just wanted to invite people to keep themselves informed. Once someone has TALKED TO A DOCTOR AND GOT THE RIGHT MEDICAL INFO, one can choose on one's own what is the best for oneself (since we are all able to think with our own brains and don't need to be indoctrinated), eventually according to one's religion. But PLEASE, don't spread wrong info! Especially when talking of illnesses you should keep yourself informed before giving other people some wrong suggestions. And please, when talking of subjects like aids or anything similar, don't mix up your own religious advices/belief with medical info. Thank you.
Re: AIDS Day
USArmy - 17.12.2004, 04:20Re: Abstinence
Quote: As I wrote, unless you practice abstinence as a religious choice (and that has nothing to do with fighting aids, it's ONLY a personal choice), that's not the one and only way to fight Aids.
Abstinence is a personal choice, but it doesn't have to be simply for religious reasons. Health, both physical and mental, as well; abstinence is the only way to guarantee never getting pregnant and never getting an STD, and is a great way to tell what type of a relationship you're in, how good life can be without relying wholly on carnal pleasures, or how boxers keep their legs strong for the next fight (no joke :lol:).
What have I spoken that isn't truth?!
Re: AIDS Day
Roxy - 17.12.2004, 11:30Re: Abstinence
USArmy wrote:
What have I spoken that isn't truth?!
You wrote that abstinence is the only way not to get infected and that's NOT true. That's what I meant when I reccomended not to spread wrong info. Your personal choice (that I respect) has nothing to do with medical info.
Re: AIDS Day
Roxy - 17.12.2004, 11:46
atlantis wrote: You're right. Restriction is a sure shot way of fueling desire, in every case. Even though I'm just 16, I've had my closest friends succumb to drugs, and mostly because the environment provided to them at home was too restrictive and they couldn't express themselves! ...
...That's the reason I feel if you try to stop something excessively, the results maybe excessively negative. My dad says somethings around the lines of "The more the resistance, the more the energy", and I think he's right...
Yes, I agree with your father. I received a rather hard and restrictive education but I was some kinda little rebel when I was a teen. The more my father tried to stop me, the more I got angry... Prohibition doesn't mean education, you see... The only thing that kept me away from dangerous stuff as drugs/alcohol abuse was to see some close friends of mine losing their lives because of it. :(
And thanks for somehow reminding that the aids problem is not only connected to sex but to drugs (and not only) as well.
Re: AIDS Day
USArmy - 22.12.2004, 08:44Re: Abstinence
Quote: You wrote that abstinence is the only way not to get infected and that's NOT true
Yes, it is. Abstinence is the only 100% proof positive way not to get infected and not to get pregnant. Condoms, et al, will fail.
Re: AIDS Day
Roxy - 22.12.2004, 13:34
Once again... Please don't spread wrong MEDICAL info about such a subject. This is the last time I'm going to write it. I'm sure you all will be able to find some MEDICAL sources to contact to know more about prevention.
Re: AIDS Day
USArmy - 22.12.2004, 19:16OK, I'm asking you
What other method is effective as abstinence?
Is there any MEDICAL info which states that abstinence is 100% effective?
Is there any MEDICAL info which states that there is any other measure as effective as abstinence?
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