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PostPosted: 05.12.2006, 02:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Anne, I totally agree with what you said about older people not wanting to know about global warming! I have the same problem trying to get my mother to listen, but you are right about it being more important to teach the children!

Mouse, have you seen the Al Gore documentary, "An Inconvient Truth". This should address some of your concerns about how serious global warming is. The planet does go through regular life cycles, but the recent temperature changes aren't consistent, and that is what worries me. Can we really convince ourselves that the huge amounts of CO2 that we're pouring into the atmosphere isn't having an impact? If you're in any doubt, just think about all of the natural disasters that have been taking place around the world in recent times.

I really don't think that this is a scare tactic from the media. What would they have to gain from it anyway? I actually think that the reverse is true. For years they have been trying to deny that climate change is a serious problem, and it's only now that they are (reluctantly) starting to do something about it!

Anne, I think that one of the less considered issues in the global warming debate is the effect that deforestation has on global temperatures. After all, the less trees we have to soak up all of the CO2 that humans are emitting means more of it that goes into the atmosphere!


If it was only CO2... There are so many other chemicals comming into the air. Like methan (this is the german name, I haven't found an english translation, I hope it's not too bad) or older things like FCKW.


You're right Idril, we are pumping a lot of dangerous chemicals into the environment! Apparently they are planning to build nuclear power plants here in Australia, and it has sparked a lot of debate. Apparently they are claiming that nuclear power isn't as dangerous as it used to be. But we will still be producing nuclear waste right? And where are we going to dispose of that?
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PostPosted: 05.12.2006, 07:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I must say you ladies sure present a good case. I understand your views, and will not neglect pondering them.
And along this line, I hope all of you are eating organic fruits, vegetables, meat, chicken, and fish. If our governments are allowing these chemicals to be blown into the air, imagine what they are passing off onto your tables? Geschockt Genetically modified food sources are huge contributors to such diseases as asthma, allergies, heart disease, cancer, and a slew of others. Take care of yourself- because no one else is going to. :wink:
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PostPosted: 05.12.2006, 18:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right. I don't want to know what chemicals are in my food (allthough I'm trying to find out what kind of things they put in sweets lol).
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PostPosted: 06.12.2006, 02:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

mouseears89 wrote:
Well I must say you ladies sure present a good case. I understand your views, and will not neglect pondering them.
And along this line, I hope all of you are eating organic fruits, vegetables, meat, chicken, and fish. If our governments are allowing these chemicals to be blown into the air, imagine what they are passing off onto your tables? Geschockt Genetically modified food sources are huge contributors to such diseases as asthma, allergies, heart disease, cancer, and a slew of others. Take care of yourself- because no one else is going to. :wink:


If I didn't live at home and had more control over the grocery shopping, then believe me I would be eating everything organic! I would probably grow some of my own vegetables too! Good point mouse, nothing is more important than our health and that of our families is it? Sehr glücklich
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PostPosted: 06.12.2006, 15:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

We just had a discussion about that at work. It´s so difficult in our days to buy healthy food. If you go to a grocery store they gonna tell you that everything is healthy! There are statistics about how many vitamines and stuff are still in our vegetables and even the ones you can pick in your own garden are not very healthy anymore, because the ground is not healthy and the rain is not clean and too many things are in the air that are not good for the salat and all the other stuff ... it´s really not easy.
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PostPosted: 06.12.2006, 18:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

You said it. It's no easy. My mum has a pretty huge garden where she plants vegetables and strawberrys and others things for us to eat. So she doesn't need to buy some things during the year, because we have so much of some things (like potatoes or beans) that we can put it in our freezer and live for almost a year of our garden :wink: My mum also loves to gather mushroos, but only those which don't grow right next to the street.
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PostPosted: 07.12.2006, 02:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I love mushrooms! Oh and Anne, that is a good point. I've never really thought about how unhealthy the soil and air is too! But unfortunately we cannot control absolutely everything.
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PostPosted: 07.12.2006, 06:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

You ladies are absolutely right- we cannot control everything, and just have to do our part to make the best of it. I'm glad to hear Idril that your mom is passing some of the "old ways" onto you. It will be your responsibility to take care of your family some day, and it's good that you have someone to teach you. Now, please don't take this as a remark against strong women and their roles. My mom raised three girls with little input from my father- she was a single mom in the 70's and we have all heard stories about how oppressed they were back then. But she made her decisions, and still was able to get her degree in Accounting, while we went to school during the day. She taught us girls to be independent, but also to have good heads on our shoulders. I believe you can be a stong woman: mother and worker, because I have seen it first hand.
I guess what I want to say is this- don't believe everything you hear, read or see until you fully investigate it for yourself- without someone else's viewpoint being wispering into your ear.
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PostPosted: 07.12.2006, 12:02    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess Idril has seen a good example by visiting me! I told her the "story of my life". I had to fight all my life and I´ve got my own opinion about things - that´s why alot of people in my town don´t come along with me. I always stayed the person I am, no matter what all the others expected me to do and I raise my kids the way I do think it´s the best way and I do get compliments for my son all the time, because he knows how to behave and how to treat people. Of course, he still has to learn a lot, but I gave him a good basis ... a lot of people do not understand why I´m doing all this support work for Native American people, why I´m talking about wind energy in South Dakota although we do have our own wind parks ... they don´t want to understand, but I don´t care. There are always a few who want to learn and do listen - that´s all I want. You should always stay on your path once you´ve found it and that´s what I´m doing ... it took me a while to find my way, but now I am happy with what I´m doing and so I guess I will follow this path !!! And I´m pretty good in convincing people ... ask Idril ... lol ... if I start talking about a topic I´m interested in, you can´t stop me ... LOOOOOOOOL
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PostPosted: 07.12.2006, 17:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

yep yep :wink: But it's good :wink:
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PostPosted: 07.12.2006, 23:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

Six people have been injured after what has been described as a mini-tornado ripped through a north-west London street.

One man in his 50s suffered head injuries and was taken to hospital, while five others have been treated for minor injuries and shock, according to the London Ambulance Service (LAS).

The tornado touched down on Chamberlayne Road in the Kensal Rise area, ripping up roofs and hurling debris along the street.

Eyewitnesses reported a loud noise preceding the tornado, which touched down for about 30 seconds and travelled about 300m.

A number of ambulances and 50 firefighters were called to the scene at about 11:00 GMT this morning.

"We can confirm that we were called to Chamberlayne Road at 11.02am today after a storm caused structural damage to a number of properties in the area," an LAS spokesman said.

"We have sent four ambulances, two fast response cars and two officers to the scene. We have also activated the helicopter emergency medical service which carries a senior trauma-trained doctor and a paramedic."

A London fire brigade spokesman added that a local school has been evacuated and the children moved to another school.

"It's a freak weather condition," he said. "We mobilised in excess of 20 fire appliances which we have now scaled down."

He added: "The local authorities are working to rehouse people should they need it."

Daniel Bidgood, a resident of nearby Crediton Road, said the scene in his area was one of "utter devastation".

"It's like someone has dropped bombs there," he told BBC News 24.

"I heard heavy thunder and as I went to go and get my camera debris flew across the road and I had to take cover."

He added: "There was a huge roar – a sound of an aircraft taking off that came up the road.

"The air turned great and you could see it ripping up heavy chunks of mortar and hurling roof tiles off.

"It was incredibly frightening. The sound was something I've not heard before."

Weather forecasters had predicted strong winds and heavy rain in the south-east of England today and flood warnings



And I´ve read in a German newspaper that we do have the warmest December for 1300 years ...
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PostPosted: 08.12.2006, 02:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just read about this. Alarm bells should be going off in people's heads, if they're not already.
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PostPosted: 08.12.2006, 20:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I was very shocked when I heard about that tornado and saw pictures in the tv and in the newspaper. Traurig Geschockt
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PostPosted: 08.12.2006, 23:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I told you, we had this meeting today. We had a power-point-presentation about how the company I´m working for is developing on the world-market and stuff like that ... so the "big boss" was there, too. He doesn´t come to my town that often, but for this meeting he always shows up. After the dinner he was talking to some workers and was just walking around, so I "catched" him and introduced my company to him. I asked him if "SIGENIA Aubi" (that´s the name of the company I´m working for) would like to support Intertribal COUP by buying Green Tags. I explained everything to him and that I also try to make young people aware of the "global warming" problem ... he was very interested and asked me to send him the link to my website and the link to Intertribal COUP, Native Wind and Native Energy. He also told me that he gets alot of requests like that and that he can´t make any promises, but he will for sure take a look at the websites and answer my email.
Now you guys have to wish me luck that he decides to support these projects and Native American People ... that would be such a great success, because this guy is RICH ... and if I say rich, I mean RICH RICH !!! I don´t even have a feeling about it, but of course I hope that I´ll get a positive answer. At least, he was very estonished that I´m involved in something like that and he promised to take a close look at my website, because I made him interested in the subject. (I told you, I´m a pretty good speaker - lol - my co-workers told me, too, because they were listening - lol)

I´ll write this email to him tomorrow and send it on Monday, because I will have to ask for his direct contact at the office first. So this will be an exciting week for me. It would be a great Christmas gift for Native Energy to get some support from Germany/Europe! And for me, too.
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PostPosted: 09.12.2006, 00:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

And this happened here where I live today:

08.12.2006
Mehring: Windrad verliert Rotorblatt

Am frühen Morgen ist ein Windrad auf der Mehringer Höhe auseinandergebrochen. Ein etwa 35 Meter langes Rotorblatt des ingesamt 113 Meter hohen Windrads brach ab, fiel herunter und zersplitterte in zahlreiche Stücke. Verletzt wurde niemand.
Bereits gegen 6.45 Uhr meldete ein Autofahrer der Polizei, ein Windrad an der Kreisstraße 85 drehe sich außergewöhnlich schnell. Als Polizeibeamte der Schweicher Inspektion vor Ort eintrafen, brach ein etwa 35 Meter langes Rotorblatt ab. Obwohl nach Angaben der Polizei reger Verkehr auf der Kreisstraße herrschte, wurde niemand verletzt. Die Einzelteile verteilten sich großflächig auf umliegenden Wiesen und im Wald.

Die Ursache des Unfalls ist noch völlig offen. Derzeit sind Experten der Betreiberfirma vor Ort. Die Höhe des Sachschadens steht noch nicht fest. Die Polizei hat den Bereich um das Windrad weiträumig abgesperrt, weil noch immer Teile des Rotorblattes herunter fallen. Neben der Polizeiinspektion Schweich sind auch Feuerwehr und Straßenmeisterei im Einsatz.

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In the early morning a wind turbine on the “Mehringer Höhe” has broken. An about 35 m long rotor sheet of the wind turbine, which is 113 m high, broke off, fell down and split in numerous pieces. Nobody was injured. Already around 6.45 o'clock a passing driver informed the police that a wind turbine turns extremely fast. When police officers arrived on site, an about 35 m long rotor sheet broke off. The parts of the rotor sheet spread on surrounding meadows and in the woods. The cause of the accident is still unknown. Experts of the company are on site. How big the damage to property is, is still not for sure. The police has blocked off the area around the wind turbine, because there are still parts of the rotor sheet falling down.






We had extremely heavy storms in our area today !!! Also all over Germany/Europe !
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