Samurai Legends

[Viziroth]

Ok, I just looked over the posts an I noticed a lot of people trying to make this DotA or are too into DotA, and some people are well, sorry obut this, just stupid. So let me clearafy some key points.

Don't play this game single player, it was never designed to be played that way. The only reason to play single player is to see what skills do with a hero you havn't used yet. So don't say you know how to play the game or make any suggestions at all until you play with some1 who actually knows how to play o.O like the people who made the first few posts in this forum or members of the 2 clans.

This game is skill based not item based. You need to actually use your spells in such a maner that they kill your opponent, actual attacks are mainly just to get rid of a couple hit points or so depending on your hero. The items are not expensive and are actually perfectly priced if you know how to play.

Shrines are not too expensives. If you ever built one you would see this. They always pay for themselves after a while.

Towers don't need true sight, you have dust of appearance...

Map is not too big nor are the heros too slow, you just need to get boots or portal scrolls...heck even w/o them it's not too bad.

Towers are not overly powerful. If your persistant and have skill and support your creeps they will eventually fall. They should not be able to be killed by you standing there attacking like a mindless moron.

Honor is not too hard to get, you get 6 from a hero kill, and 2 from an assist, which oou should be gettin quite a few if you use team work and are skilled. The tower honor was only added recently so that your were given something for killing them.

Heros do not need 100+ dmg, that's what skills are for.

Items do not to uberly increase stats or add uber dmng or give you abilities(be thankful for the few that do) What matters is your skill in useing your hero.


Life is not too low, your just not skilled enough to realize that when your at half life you can't just atk move into a base o.O.

You should never be able to attack move and actually win...

Spells are not ment to be uber dmg killers that you can cast randomly. They must be used w/ thought timing and in combo chains.


Just remember, THIS IS NOT DOTA IN JAPAN!
-from the keyboard of an ol' "pro DotA player-
(guys if I missed anything that people are complaining about that are alredy fine and shouldn't be changed post it here)

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[Skirn]

You sir, deserve a hug for this.

And a cookie.

And a fully baked pie.

Perhaps even an ancient Katana while we're at it...



Yeah, if you couldn't figure it out, I entirely agree with everything Viziroth said here.

[Lyncor]

Agreed, pretty much. A couple of points aren't the whole truth, or strictly correct (Currently stacking Jade Blades -does- give your hero an uber normal attack because of the added attack speed in 0.8)...

...but yeah. Nice.

This should be stickied.
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[Shadow Phoenix]

While Lyncor is correct and theres a few fuzzy details..

My friend, on behalf of the Keepers nooK's Legacy..

Thank you.
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[tegeus-Cromis]

Nice post, Viziroth. One question:

What does anything you said in your post have to do with DotA?

[Lord.DarthVader]

Im last use trick for BT when i hosting SL:

gn like this: ANTI-DOTA Samurai Map!

And more people joining to looking this map..
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Lord.DarthVader - Northrend (Europe) - Poland

Sorry for bad English! Im not learned It in school.

[Viziroth]

This has to do with DotA because people who play a lot of DotA compare this map to it and make those suggestions/complaints because of the difference. I posted this so that those, pardon my bad mouthing, DotA nubs don't have to rant about it and then the expirienced SL players don't have to correct them or just get frustrated with their ignorance any more.
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[tegeus-Cromis]

All of the initial suggestions I made for 0.65 were based on an understanding of balance that I got from DotA.

About 60% of those were implemented.

No one has complained. Go figure.

[Viziroth]

I was just saying if you look at some of the recent posts or have played a B.net game. Those are becoming frequent statements. And while some ideas may have been influenced by DotA did you ever try to make it like DotA?
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[Skirn]

[Shadow Phoenix]

With that said, there are also good things that have come from the 0.8 series. And we recognise those too. But you know as life dictates "People only talk about the bad" So thats what we usually hear about.

I agree with Skirn, certain characters, especially in inhouses are now banned before a game starts to ensure a fair game. I only see this kind of thing happen in like Anime Wars and stuff when there are heros that are stupidy powerful, in the hands of a new player of even worse.. a skilled player.

Most times when you take 3 steps forward you must take 1 step back, and i believe that this is the case, no worries guys!
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[Viziroth]

heh....just went on warcraft earlier to see that DotA pubbies and some decents and like a fe pros are saying that SL is for nubs. I'm all O.O. While to pro DotA may have a lil right to say that, as they at least play DotA with some skill insteada just item whoring, the others? uh-uh no way...*sigH* went from trying to making it DotA to just insulting it...
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[Forbidden]

Often hard to suddenly go against something you like. Like in case of those DotA "pros" you speak of. So I'm not surprised that they think SL sucks, since they worship DotA as their god.

Also for many people the problem is their attitude: They seriously lack patience. They have no patience to wait until the game is 4v4 or more. They start yelling "go! 2v2 plz! omfg start man!", and that's not how SL was made to be played. It's just no point in playing such a large map 2v2 when someone leaves anyway after first 10 mins or first death, saying "what a crappy imba DotA rip-off" Btw, newsflash for those people: DotA is a rip-off itself originally.

The thing with playing DotA is that there's always 2, 3 or more DotA's open at same time, and they fill up really fast so you can get to play almost immdiately after you join a game. Whereas when playing SL, games get full really slow. People start whining "kick dl and go; omfg start" etc.

And if people download slow they go: "omfg noob host" and leave. If you tell them to download at the webpage, they say: "why? I download rly fast" and when they do start downloading the LARGE MAP that SL is -slowly -, it's back to telling the host what a "noob with a wooden pc/modem" he is. Since when have the speed of the computer and connection had anything to do with being a noob? Get your facts straight people, a noob is a NEWbie, a BEGINNER ; not someone with a fast computer and connection.

Patient, good people are hard to come by. But eventually some show up. Too bad it's like 90% impatient people.

I don't want to change this topic into a "what I hate about DotA and DotA-players", so please don't misunderstand my sayings for such.
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[Shadow Phoenix]

Amen.
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[Viziroth]

There are different versions of the word noob tho forbidden, let me explain (ahem); a "newb" is indeed a newbie and all variations may also be substituted for this. A "noob" is just some1 who sucks. A "n00b" is some1 who sucks but has a huge ego or just thinks they're good, while "nub" or "nublet" is a general insult. As I stated they all can also mean newbie.
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