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capslock - 21.06.2008, 19:55
New wire-tapping law in Sweden; Effective 1st January 2009
That's right folks. 17th of June in 2008 a new law was prepared to be voted about in the Riksdag. As the blogosphere across the Internet boiled, the law-proposal was re-written in a few hours and in the evening of 18th of June; The very same day the Swedish population focused on the soccer-game with Russia in Euro 2008, the law was passed by Liberals in the parliament.
So what does this new law mean?
In a few words it mean that the Swedish National Defence Radio Establishment will regurarly monitor traffic in and out of Sweden. The motive is "external threats", but as virtually traffic in the electronic infra-structure goes outside the Swedish borders, wire-tapping in a way STASI couldn't dream of, is now possible.
A ruling government and governmental institutions have got the right to monitor your correspondence. The law has been heavily critisiced, even by SÄPO, the Safety Police (Intelligency).
In 1982, Björn and Benny raised their voices due to the concerns of Poland and other countrie's future. Today, Sweden, a peaceful nation, prepare to set-up a heavily advanced surveillance system, thus maybe starting a new era of isolation. A digital Berlin-Wall around Sweden might have severe economical consecquences since companies are beginning to withdraw from investments.
I'm sorry that I won't be able to give you a just picture of it, but please surf on to wikipedia and read this to know what is going on right now in Sweden and why all democratic nations should be concerned about this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_National_Defence_Radio_Establishment
http://www.thelocal.se/12252/20080605/
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New wire-tapping law in Sweden; Effective 1st January 2009
That's right folks. 17th of June in 2008 a new law was prepared to be voted about in the Riksdag. As the blogosphere across the Internet boiled, the law-proposal was re-written in a few hours and in the evening of 18th of June; The very same day the Swedish population focused on the soccer-game with Russia in Euro 2008, the law was passed by Liberals in the parliament.
So what does this new law mean?
In a few words it mean that the Swedish National Defence Radio Establishment will regurarly monitor traffic in and out of Sweden. The motive is "external threats", but as virtually traffic in the electronic infra-structure goes outside the Swedish borders, wire-tapping in a way STASI couldn't dream of, is now possible.
A ruling government and governmental institutions have got the right to monitor your correspondence. The law has been heavily critisiced, even by SÄPO, the Safety Police (Intelligency).
In 1982, Björn and Benny raised their voices due to the concerns of Poland and other countrie's future. Today, Sweden, a peaceful nation, prepare to set-up a heavily advanced surveillance system, thus maybe starting a new era of isolation. A digital Berlin-Wall around Sweden might have severe economical consecquences since companies are beginning to withdraw from investments.
I'm sorry that I won't be able to give you a just picture of it, but please surf on to wikipedia and read this to know what is going on right now in Sweden and why all democratic nations should be concerned about this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_National_Defence_Radio_Establishment
http://www.thelocal.se/12252/20080605/
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WATERL00 - 22.06.2008, 00:27
I think it is an alarming step for a democratic nation to take. It may help the fight against terrorism which I highly doubt cause no one will actually be able to handly the vast amount of data that will be available then. But such a system is so easy to misuse that it should frighten the people.
There are every now and then similar ideas popping up here in Germany and I wonder whether a democracy as both Sweden and Germany are can really pass such a law without violating against some of the basic rights every democracy conveys.
I think it is an alarming step for a democratic nation to take. It may help the fight against terrorism which I highly doubt cause no one will actually be able to handly the vast amount of data that will be available then. But such a system is so easy to misuse that it should frighten the people.
There are every now and then similar ideas popping up here in Germany and I wonder whether a democracy as both Sweden and Germany are can really pass such a law without violating against some of the basic rights every democracy conveys.
lovefridax - 22.06.2008, 04:09
I have to say it really doesnt surprise me.
Sweden is going down a similar road to Britain, laws are introduced to fight against terrorism(so the say), but are used more to victimise the innocent members of the the public.
While it is made sure the terrorists never loose their human rights, it seems its ok to incite murder,you will get a slap on the wrist, get benefits, a home, but refuse to pay your community tax and its off to jail you go.
The British government are introducing chips into our rubbish bins, so they can monitor what we throw away.
Im just wating for the human chip, so they can monitor how much we breathe and then charge us tax for that.
Dont get me started on the Lisbon Treaty, at least Ireland got the chance to vote, we were promised a referendom. But the communists in charge of our supposedly democratic country have made sure they have silenced the majority and gone back on their word.
Tax, tax, tax the favourite word of Britains unelected Prime minister.
p***d off
Wendy
I have to say it really doesnt surprise me.
Sweden is going down a similar road to Britain, laws are introduced to fight against terrorism(so the say), but are used more to victimise the innocent members of the the public.
While it is made sure the terrorists never loose their human rights, it seems its ok to incite murder,you will get a slap on the wrist, get benefits, a home, but refuse to pay your community tax and its off to jail you go.
The British government are introducing chips into our rubbish bins, so they can monitor what we throw away.
Im just wating for the human chip, so they can monitor how much we breathe and then charge us tax for that.
Dont get me started on the Lisbon Treaty, at least Ireland got the chance to vote, we were promised a referendom. But the communists in charge of our supposedly democratic country have made sure they have silenced the majority and gone back on their word.
Tax, tax, tax the favourite word of Britains unelected Prime minister.
p***d off
Wendy
Lulu - 27.06.2008, 11:09
The passing of that law is a very worrying development, as Capslock pointed out the Swedes were more focused on football that day. It was also a couple of days before mid sommer which is a high point of the year here and when many start their annual holiday. On the day of the vote at the Swedish parliament something like 67 people who had the right to vote were absent, had they been there and voted the result might have been different. According to a poll published today 36% of Swedes are for the new law and 47% against it. 1,000 were asked.
I have lived here since 1992, I like the Swedish people a lot, most of my friends here are Swedes and in many ways it´s a nice place to live and i have a lot of good things to say about Sweden after all this time. There have however, been developments, as in Britain, where the privacy of the individual has been worn away and i don´t see how that could ever be a good thing.
The passing of that law is a very worrying development, as Capslock pointed out the Swedes were more focused on football that day. It was also a couple of days before mid sommer which is a high point of the year here and when many start their annual holiday. On the day of the vote at the Swedish parliament something like 67 people who had the right to vote were absent, had they been there and voted the result might have been different. According to a poll published today 36% of Swedes are for the new law and 47% against it. 1,000 were asked.
I have lived here since 1992, I like the Swedish people a lot, most of my friends here are Swedes and in many ways it´s a nice place to live and i have a lot of good things to say about Sweden after all this time. There have however, been developments, as in Britain, where the privacy of the individual has been worn away and i don´t see how that could ever be a good thing.
capslock - 01.07.2008, 11:45
The difference...
...between Britain and Sweden is that Britain's measurements aren't hard to understand after all the threats and incidents. Thankfully, in a peaceful nation as in Sweden, we haven't had any incidents or outer threats to that extent. With that said, Britain's law is for me legitimate while the Swedish is not. The abroad-politics of Britain and USA maybe require these measurements, but not Sweden.
The difference...
...between Britain and Sweden is that Britain's measurements aren't hard to understand after all the threats and incidents. Thankfully, in a peaceful nation as in Sweden, we haven't had any incidents or outer threats to that extent. With that said, Britain's law is for me legitimate while the Swedish is not. The abroad-politics of Britain and USA maybe require these measurements, but not Sweden.
capslock - 31.07.2008, 13:24
The surveillance computer of Sweden... STASI's wet dream.
...is nothing new. Back in the 90's. 103 Swedes were registered for their business affairs with in the newly established Russian Federation. The problem in Sweden is that the governemnt considers the nation as alliance-free, but nevertheless the Social-Democratic government agreed on leaving Egyptians to USA in a mystic operation operated by the CIA which seems to have included drugging and blindfolding. Guantanamo-methods at Bromma City Airport, a few kilometres from my workplace in one of the most democratic nations.
The thing with other European nations is that they use open cards and can be openly criticised. The U.K needs some kind of sophisticated surveillance due to the constant threat. The Swedish Governement has failed to inform its' people of consistent threats which impose this martial-law-like surveillance-system which the "Deutsche" "Demokratische" "Republik" (DDR or GDR) only could have dreamt of.
In this post alone the supercomputer of FRA (National Defence Radio Establishment) might find several interesting key-words.
In July, several scandals have unfolded regarding this governmental institution. With the racistic Swedish Democrats (SD) perhaps becoming the next party to get some seats in the Riksdag (Parliament) GLBT and foreigners all have the reason to feel threatened. Don't forget that the government of Sweden rules over FRA. If SD has a seat in the government, then black-mailing over one persons' sexual preference might be a dark fact.
The surveillance computer of Sweden... STASI's wet dream.
...is nothing new. Back in the 90's. 103 Swedes were registered for their business affairs with in the newly established Russian Federation. The problem in Sweden is that the governemnt considers the nation as alliance-free, but nevertheless the Social-Democratic government agreed on leaving Egyptians to USA in a mystic operation operated by the CIA which seems to have included drugging and blindfolding. Guantanamo-methods at Bromma City Airport, a few kilometres from my workplace in one of the most democratic nations.
The thing with other European nations is that they use open cards and can be openly criticised. The U.K needs some kind of sophisticated surveillance due to the constant threat. The Swedish Governement has failed to inform its' people of consistent threats which impose this martial-law-like surveillance-system which the "Deutsche" "Demokratische" "Republik" (DDR or GDR) only could have dreamt of.
In this post alone the supercomputer of FRA (National Defence Radio Establishment) might find several interesting key-words.
In July, several scandals have unfolded regarding this governmental institution. With the racistic Swedish Democrats (SD) perhaps becoming the next party to get some seats in the Riksdag (Parliament) GLBT and foreigners all have the reason to feel threatened. Don't forget that the government of Sweden rules over FRA. If SD has a seat in the government, then black-mailing over one persons' sexual preference might be a dark fact.
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