ABBA Single and Promo edits

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

Joe - 29.06.2007, 18:24

Well, whatever somebody's taste may be... :D

I can't help you, just wonder about the possible difference between the edit of "The Visitors" on "More ABBA Gold" and the Brazilian one. It's only a few seconds more or less, probably one fading out only 2 seconds earlier than the other one. And the Day Before You Came without the second verse? How can you promote anything with a ruined song!? That's sick! Perhaps it really was time to stop with ABBA. :roll:

Anyway, if nothing helps, it should be rather easy to create these edits yourself. ;-)

Joachim

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

thearbiter - 29.06.2007, 19:37

Joe wrote: And the Day Before You Came without the second verse? How can you promote anything with a ruined song!? That's sick! Perhaps it really was time to stop with ABBA.


Well speaking of that - i believe that most foreign edits were done by the record companies themselves - in order to get the songs played on radio at the time - let's face it TDBYC, The Visitors and Eagle arent radio friendly in terms of length

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

thearbiter - 29.06.2007, 20:09

Oh yea thanks Hades - i have this edit - it cuts some part of the intro - and then after the first corous where the first synth break comes it cuts to the synth break that comes after the second corous - well not the best edit :)
You by Chance also have the Brazil single?

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

thearbiter - 29.06.2007, 21:48

Oh i didnt wanna defend myself lol

Well i know the description of the edit - i am obsessive a bit - i wanna really know where the edits are placed into the song lol

CYA Marc

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

iancee - 01.07.2007, 00:21

Joe wrote: I wonder about a version of "I've Been Waiting For You" with cold ending (3.36 - source is "The Other Versions"). The ending sounds a bit weird to me, so I really wonder if it's an official version. Can't find any info at ABBA-World.
Never heard of that one. What's "The Other Versions"?

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

Joe - 01.07.2007, 13:02

iancee wrote: Never heard of that one. What's "The Other Versions"?
Sorry, a bootleg cd. :D

Joachim

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

thearbiter - 01.07.2007, 13:36

Hades wrote: I wonder why they made a new edit for 'Eagle' in 1999, when the 1978 single-edit was already available. I much prefer the 1978 edit, it sounds more natural. In the new edit (which is on the Definitive Collection, among others) it is clearly audible the song has been cut after the second chorus.


Why they did that new edit of Eagle is a mysterie to me too - it's done so badly - it first appeared on the Singles Tin Box

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

Maxi-saxi - 02.07.2007, 03:54

Forgot to mention also on the Atlantic Promotional Album released in 1977 There were several edits on the Album.
This was only available to Dj's etc. But I managed to get myself a copy.

Maxi-saxi

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

Joe - 02.07.2007, 13:33

I looked up for the versions I mentioned above:

"I've Been Waiting For You" with cold ending is said to be a demo version.
The edit Of "The Visitors" is said to be the 12'' US Promo edit.

Since the other songs on this cd are fan remixes you're probably right that these versions actually are fan edits too.

Joachim

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

iancee - 03.07.2007, 11:33

I found a track list of this bootleg "The Other Versions". From the descriptions of the tracks, it seems to include a few genuine rarities (The Name Of The Game different vocal mix, SOS live in Eskilstuna, Just Like That lala version), and a lot of homemade remixes. I'd guess that this "I've Been Waiting For You" with a cold ending is a fan edit.

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

Maxi-saxi - 04.07.2007, 05:04

I have heard about the Frida edit of Something's Going On as well, But I have never seen a copy.

I'm sure the promo is around some where, as I believe the song did get a lot of Radio play in the States.



Maxi-saxi

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

cdnut - 04.07.2007, 23:43

Good topi, Marc!

I like collecting the edited versions too, just for variation. Some are quite good and others are not.

These are MY favorite edits that are legitimate ones (not fan made) --
- TAKE A CHANCE ON ME (U.S. white label "test pressing" dubbed the 'Capitol Radio Mix' from 1978
- GIMME! GIMME! GIMME! official Video version
- VOULEZ-VOUS (original video edit) which IS the edit used for 'The Videos' DVD included in the 2005 CSR box set.

and
- the original Video edit of 'When All Is Said and Done" ( a little slower speed and Frida sings the words " there's no" (hurry anymore when .....)
differently.

None of the above have ever been on an official CD release, & probably won't be. :x

Anyone who also LIKES edits or has some to share, please send me a private message. I'm always looking for more variations -- as Marc stated, we probably won't get much of anything else from the vaults of Universal Music except video/TV appearances as "new" stuff.

-Jeff

P.S. Marc, I know of (* I used to have the 3:18 edit of Frida's 'I Know There's Something Going on'.) Wish I still did, but it got damaged many years ago. It's extremely hard-to-find now, & it was on ebay awhile back,
and went for over $100 U.S. dollars. --whew! :shock: I remember it though -- someday, I'll get around to re-edting the single edit down to the 3 minutes, 18 seconds.

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

the super trouper - 05.07.2007, 08:24

I am intersting by edit version too. It's funny to have shorter version. I think i have them all or good part. The Day Before You came (french edit) i've found it in a More ABBA Glod from United States. The others are more simple to find. Mabye juste the Chiquitita edit for german TV i never found it!

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

thearbiter - 05.07.2007, 13:15

cdnut wrote:
P.S. Marc, I know of (* I used to have the 3:18 edit of Frida's 'I Know There's Something Going on'.) Wish I still did, but it got damaged many years ago. It's extremely hard-to-find now, & it was on ebay awhile back,
and went for over $100 U.S. dollars. --whew! :shock: I remember it though -- someday, I'll get around to re-edting the single edit down to the 3 minutes, 18 seconds.

Oh maybe you can describe this edit to me - i can try to recreate it!

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

cdnut - 05.07.2007, 22:01

[quote="thearbiter"]


Anyways - i am just about to reply to your mail jeff :)
Oh and i re-master all vinyl edits and others i have from the curennt cd-remastered versions - so those edits sound top notch :)

If anyone wants to me to re-create an edit - i'll do it.

Coming back to the topic - you have a good quality version of the original WAISAD video edit?[/quote]

Marc, that is great you remaster them. My WAISAD isn't great, but isn't bad either--but my video is mono, not in stereo :( I've worked on it a little with bringing the volume "up" and reducing noise. It's enjoyable to listen to.

-Jeff

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

thearbiter - 05.07.2007, 22:36

cdnut wrote:
Hey Marc,
I remember it did not have ANY guitar solo at all. It went from the
second "there's something going on" (before the guitar solo starts),
to "I k-n-o-w it won't be long, won't be long before you're gone" and
fades like the single version does.

-Jeff

Hi Jeff - well thanks for the desciption - i'll try to re-create that version when i'm at home :)

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

cdnut - 06.07.2007, 07:11

thearbiter wrote:

Well the thing with the original WAISAD is kinda sad - it was just released as mono soundtrack on all the videos - as far as i know :( what a shame that they didnt use that original soundtrack for the DVD collections :(

... I agree--and on the topic of video versions, for what I know of, (what I own anyway) the same goes for 'On And On And On' [orignal video track] WAS mono*, but recorded in "simulated stereo"......

-Jeff

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

thearbiter - 06.07.2007, 11:41

cdnut wrote:
Hey Marc,
I remember it did not have ANY guitar solo at all. It went from the
second "there's something going on" (before the guitar solo starts),
to "I k-n-o-w it won't be long, won't be long before you're gone" and
fades like the single version does.

-Jeff
Mhm strange you mean after the second corous - the "there's something going on on on on on, there's something going on on on on on" comes the line "i know it won't belong, ...." again?

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

thearbiter - 07.07.2007, 18:07

Zeebee wrote: the super trouper wrote: The Day Before You came (french edit) i've found it in a More ABBA Glod from United States.

If there is an edited version of The Day Before You Came, it's not in More ABBA Gold from the United States. I have More ABBA Gold, and I bought it here in the United States, and it includes the whole song, not an edit.

Yea you are right - i spoke to him - he most durely has a bootleg CD.

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

thearbiter - 08.07.2007, 03:01

Well yea - its interesting what some record companies do

oh forgot to mention in my mail that the US single mix of Here WE'll Stay is the normal solo version - now available on the SGO remaster

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

Anonymous - 08.07.2007, 07:49

Maxi-saxi wrote: So guy's are you saying The edit to the ABBA song The Day Before You Came is ONLY available on the USA release Of More ABBA Gold?

No, Debbie, as I said in my previous post, the USA release of More ABBA Gold includes the whole song, not an edit. If there is an edit, I didn't even know about it.

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

thearbiter - 08.07.2007, 19:20

Well the edit was only ever available on the french promo white label 7"
speaking of TDBYC

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

Maxi-saxi - 09.07.2007, 05:00

Thank's for clearing that up Guy's I appreciate that. I was told there is a edit version Of That song but it must be on another release.


As for The Australian Version of the Magic Of ABBA I have that. It has 20 songs on the album and you are right there are so many songs cut and edited.

I'll have to get it out and as you say do a count.

Maxi-saxi

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thearbiter - 09.07.2007, 07:56

ooops double post :(

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thearbiter - 10.07.2007, 07:42

WOW that would be great maxi! well i believe that some must be bad.
given that some running times that i read somewhere on the net were drastically short

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

thearbiter - 11.07.2007, 07:47

Maxi-saxi wrote: thearbiter wrote: WOW that would be great maxi! well i believe that some must be bad.
given that some running times that i read somewhere on the net were drastically short


You have that right, in some instances I think a 2 year old could have done a better job!

Maxi-saxi

Mhm well even if they are bad i'd love to hear them

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

Maxi-saxi - 12.07.2007, 06:01

I also have the Japanese Album Slipping Through My Fingers. It's been years since I have played it,

I can't remember if there are any edits on it. I think there may be

May be someone else can help answer your question.

Maxi-saxi

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

Maxi-saxi - 13.07.2007, 05:01

When I have time I'll find it and listen to it again.

Maxi-saxi

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

thearbiter - 16.07.2007, 08:22

hi Maxisaxi, did ya have a chance of listening to the LP The Magic Of ABBA?

Oh well this topic could be expandet to include edits or special versions performed on TV

Things that obviously come to mind are the 3 songs performed on german Show Express in 1982 with the cold ends. Also Chiquitita was edited on German TV Show Musikladen (but it was done by the TV channel i assume).Also some versions on ABBA In Switzerland were edits - for example Lovers was edited whereas The King Has Lost His Crown was longer.....
Another famous excample is Take a Chance On Me on German and French TV with the acapella end. Anyone on here has the french TV appearance?

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

Anonymous - 17.07.2007, 10:56

Maxi-saxi wrote: Sorry Mate, I have been so busy and have not had any time yet. I will try very hard to in the future.

Interesting that she has the time to write some 5512 posts since October last year, but no time to listen to an album! :shock:

I don't have a turntable any longer to check, but Ian Cole's excellent site at http://phenomenon.abba-world.net/ states that:

In August K-tel released The Magic Of ABBA, a compilation that had been released in the USA in 1980 . The Australian version had four additional tracks, but many songs were edited (either by fading early or editing out the second verse and chorus repeats), and the album did not feature the US gatefold sleeve.

Side 1; Dancing Queen; Take A Chance On Me; The Name Of The Game; Waterloo; Ring Ring; Does Your Mother Know; Angeleyes; SOS; Fernando; Knowing Me, Knowing You

Side 2: I Do, I Do, I Do, I Do, I Do; Mamma Mia; Honey, Honey; Money, Money, Money; Voulez-Vous; Chiquitita; The Winner Takes It All; Super Trouper; Gimme! Gimme! Gimme! (A Man After Midnight); Summer Night City

I know it doesn't fully answer your questions re which particular tracks were edited etc, but hopefully provides some more information than the previous poster could offer.

:roll:

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

iancee - 17.07.2007, 23:28

The Magic Of ABBA Australian LP:

Side 1
Dancing Queen (3.44) - fades early
Take A Chance On Me (2.30) - second verse and a chorus removed
The Name Of The Game (2.45) - second verse and chorus removed
Waterloo (2.30) - fades early
Ring Ring - no edit
Does Your Mother Know (3.08) - fades early
Angeleyes (2.44) - second verse and chorus removed
SOS - no edit
Fernando (4.09) - fades early
Knowing Me, Knowing You (3.05) - second instrumental break and last chorus removed

Side 2
I Do, I Do, I Do, I Do, I Do - no edit
Mamma Mia (2.55) - fades early, during the chorus
Honey, Honey - no edit
Money, Money, Money - no edit
Voulez-Vous (3.32) - one chorus, refrain, and the "Voulez-Vous, aha, aha, aha" section removed
Chiquitita - (3.35) - third verse and second chorus removed, similar to the Musikladen TV performance but with the full ending
The Winner Takes It All (3.03) - everything between "And someone way down here/Loses someone dear" and "The winner takes it all/The winner takes it all" removed
Super Trouper (3.48) - second verse and chorus removed
Gimme! Gimme! Gimme! (2.56) - second verse and chorus removed
Summer Night City (3.07) - fades early

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

ABBAFANUSA - 18.07.2007, 05:40

They really ripped those songs to shreds. I guess I'll have to hunt that one down.

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

thearbiter - 18.07.2007, 21:11

iancee wrote: The Magic Of ABBA Australian LP:

Side 1
Take A Chance On Me (2.30) - second verse and a chorus removed
The Name Of The Game (2.45) - second verse and chorus removed
Angeleyes (2.44) - second verse and chorus removed
Knowing Me, Knowing You (3.05) - second instrumental break and last chorus removed
Side 2
Voulez-Vous (3.32) - one chorus, refrain, and the "Voulez-Vous, aha, aha, aha" section removed
Super Trouper (3.48) - second verse and chorus removed
Gimme! Gimme! Gimme! (2.56) - second verse and chorus removed


Hi Ian - could you maybe describe these edits a bit more precisely?

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

thearbiter - 20.07.2007, 07:52

Yea it is kinda weird why they did so - just to fit all 20 songs on the LP i assume.

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

thearbiter - 21.07.2007, 22:00

Well why do people collect things... this is a question noone can answer this properly. I for one like to have them for a change.... We always get the standard versions on every release - it makes a nice change to have a different edit..... thats my reason!

well some are bad and some are good -

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

Maxi-saxi - 27.07.2007, 03:19

Sadly no not as yet. I don't think I can bring myself to sadly.

Mind you The USA release Of The Magic Of ABBA has the same track list BUT only 16 songs instead of 20.

I am not sure if any of the songs are edited, they may be but hopefully not as bad as the Aussie version.


Maxi-saxi

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

Maxi-saxi - 27.07.2007, 06:47

:kiss:

Bruce your a sweetie, It's just that don't mind edits BUT when they are butchered like this. Believe me it's hard to listen to them.

Maxi-saxi

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

Maxi-saxi - 28.07.2007, 04:26

Lucky me I have them Samy on DVD The sold endings Of I Have A Dream, Under Attack and The Day Before You Came, Cassandra.

They are nice to have.

Maxi-saxi

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

iancee - 28.07.2007, 06:53

Slipping Through My Fingers LP tracklist, with running times from the record label:

Side 1
1. Slipping Through My Fingers (5.48) - starts with a medley of short bursts of songs (Does Your Mother Know/On And On And On/Hasta Mañana/Dancing Queen) interspersed with a voice over, meant to sound like it's on a radio, leading into the full unedited/uninterupted version of Slipping Through My Fingers, and ending with more dialogue.
2. Dancing Queen/Waterloo/Hasta Mañana/That's Me - medley of the four songs, interspersed with dialogue from the male DJ and a female voice. Dancing Queen - song up to end of first full chorus; Waterloo - up to end of first chorus; Hasta Mañana - up to the middle of the second verse; That's Me - up to the start of the third verse.
On the first pressing of the LP, this track ran 8.49, on the second version it ran 8.07, due to a section of the dialogue being removed, apparently the male voice calls the female a silly b**** of something like that.
3. Super Trouper (1.52) - up to the end of the first full chorus, with more dialogue on the end.
4. The Winner Takes It All (4.49) - fades early.
5. Our Last Summer (4.17) - the full version, probably ends just a couple of seconds shorter than usual.

Side 2
1. Does Your Mother Know (5.18) - starts with a medley of short bursts of songs (Does Your Mother Know/On And On And On/Hasta Mañana/Dancing Queen), interspersed with dialogue from the male DJ plus the ABBA members introducing themselves ("Hello Japanese fans, we're ABBA" etc) and some other ABBA member dialogue, leading into the full version of Does Your Mother Know. No more dialogue interupting the songs after this.
2. Chiquitita (4.08) - fades out early during the second chorus.
3. If It Wasn't For The Nights (4.07) - fades out after the second chorus, during the "If it - wasn't - for the nights!" section.
4. Thank You For The Music (3.28) - full version, dispite label running time
5. On And On And On (3.40) - full version
6. Kisses Of Fire (3.17) - full version

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

thearbiter - 28.07.2007, 13:28

iancee wrote: Slipping Through My Fingers LP tracklist, with running times from the record label:

Side 1
1. Slipping Through My Fingers (5.48) - starts with a medley of short bursts of songs (Does Your Mother Know/On And On And On/Hasta Mañana/Dancing Queen) interspersed with a voice over, meant to sound like it's on a radio, leading into the full unedited/uninterupted version of Slipping Through My Fingers, and ending with more dialogue.
2. Dancing Queen/Waterloo/Hasta Mañana/That's Me - medley of the four songs, interspersed with dialogue from the male DJ and a female voice. Dancing Queen - song up to end of first full chorus; Waterloo - up to end of first chorus; Hasta Mañana - up to the middle of the second verse; That's Me - up to the start of the third verse.
On the first pressing of the LP, this track ran 8.49, on the second version it ran 8.07, due to a section of the dialogue being removed, apparently the male voice calls the female a silly b**** of something like that.
3. Super Trouper (1.52) - up to the end of the first full chorus, with more dialogue on the end.
4. The Winner Takes It All (4.49) - fades early.
5. Our Last Summer (4.17) - the full version, probably ends just a couple of seconds shorter than usual.

Side 2
1. Does Your Mother Know (5.18) - starts with a medley of short bursts of songs (Does Your Mother Know/On And On And On/Hasta Mañana/Dancing Queen), interspersed with dialogue from the male DJ plus the ABBA members introducing themselves ("Hello Japanese fans, we're ABBA" etc) and some other ABBA member dialogue, leading into the full version of Does Your Mother Know. No more dialogue interupting the songs after this.
2. Chiquitita (4.08) - fades out early during the second chorus.
3. If It Wasn't For The Nights (4.07) - fades out after the second chorus, during the "If it - wasn't - for the nights!" section.
4. Thank You For The Music (3.28) - full version, dispite label running time
5. On And On And On (3.40) - full version
6. Kisses Of Fire (3.17) - full version

Thanks fot these infos Ian

Could you also please describe some of the edits on the aussie Magic Of ABBA LP a bitt better like this?

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

iancee - 28.07.2007, 15:23

thearbiter wrote: Could you also please describe some of the edits on the aussie Magic Of ABBA LP a bitt better like this?

I thought I did. All these edited versions are listed at http://www.abba-world.net/songs/edits.htm where you can find more information plus the lyrics which might better explain how the songs were edited.

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

thearbiter - 29.07.2007, 03:31

iancee wrote: thearbiter wrote: Could you also please describe some of the edits on the aussie Magic Of ABBA LP a bitt better like this?

I thought I did. All these edited versions are listed at http://www.abba-world.net/songs/edits.htm where you can find more information plus the lyrics which might better explain how the songs were edited.

Thanks so much Ian the tip with the lyrics was great

Re: ABBA Single and Promo edits

thearbiter - 02.08.2007, 18:33

hi there again - anyone could describe that Gimme! Gimme! Gimme! edit.
I just can't make out how it was edited :()

ANY help is appreciated