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Re: From p.51 Mustang Crash-Place
suchosju - 16.07.2011, 12:42From p.51 Mustang Crash-Place
Hello,
i found this parts oft a Mustang which was shot down by AA in our area.
I found some things i cannot identify, so i will show them here.
- a typeplate with serial and Part.No
- part with writing "Crystal Unit DC-26 FREQ KC"
- three chromed buckles, from where are they?
- i don´t know which name/function the parts with the Numbers have too.
and a chip, with marking : 100MPH 101 MILS CAL.50
What mean this?
Thnak you for help.
regards
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Re: From p.51 Mustang Crash-Place
Paul - 17.07.2011, 14:45
Nice parts you have found ! The closest I could get to 109-14000 is 109-14007, 'Fitting wing front spar to fuselage attaching'.
106-14030-51 has to do with 'Nose Assy - Wingstation 0 to 190.5'.
The Federal Crystal Unit part is what it says a crystal unit from the radioset. (http://www.af4k.com/crystal_holders.htm).
Paul
Re: From p.51 Mustang Crash-Place
suchosju - 17.07.2011, 20:13
thank you Paul :)
It is good possible that the typeplate ist from a wing, because I found it with 0.50 cartridges, and other parts from the wing, on the right side oft the chrashplace.
Re: From p.51 Mustang Crash-Place
Pathfinder - 17.07.2011, 21:39
Part / photo #1 should be from Fuselage Group (Engine Cowling and Formers)
Regards
Nils
Re: From p.51 Mustang Crash-Place
Paul - 18.07.2011, 09:15
Do you have more information on this particular crashlocation and pilot?
Regards,
Paul
Re: From p.51 Mustang Crash-Place
suchosju - 18.07.2011, 14:32
Hello,
thank @ Pathfinder. :)
I know only the story, a little boy saw how the plane get shot and smoked, and fell down.
It was in the last days of march 1945.
In the early morning of the last days in march, the people in the small town Adelsheim get waked up by heavy machinegunfire and swa two Mustangs, flying scarely near ober the roffs of the town.
They have shooting a verhicle in fire and flew to the town of Osterburken to get some trains (there was an important raildroad centre), but AA-guns too.
As they began to shot on the on the railroad standing trains, the AA-guns fired on them, so they withdraw, one P-51 was hit and become smoking.
The pilot jumped out after them flow over Adelsheim back and get captured by germans, the plane crashed in wooden hills.
..
I don´t know the name of pilot or Unit ....unfortunately
Sorry for my bad english....
Re: From p.51 Mustang Crash-Place
suchosju - 18.07.2011, 14:36
most parts of the plane were wrecked up by civilists, 3 tons metal was/is much money.
Re: From p.51 Mustang Crash-Place
Dirk - 18.07.2011, 15:31P-51
Hi,
I found only one macr of a P-51 in this area.
1. LT. Victor R.T. Rentschler, 8th AF, 4th Ftr. Gr, 334 Ftr. Sq
Downing:(Aircraft, Time, Place) P-51D 15-NA, Serial: 44-15324, 16. January 1945 at 14-1500 PM. 1km west of Oberkessach, County Kuenzelsau Wuertenberg, 10km south of Osterburken.
Place and Time of capture: at Unterkessach on 16. January 1945
I hope it is helpful
edit:
This Inspectorstamp is quite sure of North American.
Best regards
Dirk
Re: From p.51 Mustang Crash-Place
suchosju - 18.07.2011, 17:26Re: P-51
Dirk wrote: Hi,
I found only one macr of a P-51 in this area.
1. LT. Victor R.T. Rentschler, 8th AF, 4th Ftr. Gr, 334 Ftr. Sq
Downing:(Aircraft, Time, Place) P-51D 15-NA, Serial: 44-15324, 16. January 1945 at 14-1500 PM. 1km west of Oberkessach, County Kuenzelsau Wuertenberg, 10km south of Osterburken.
Place and Time of capture: at Unterkessach on 16. January 1945
I hope it is helpful
edit:
This Inspectorstamp is quite sure of North American.
Best regards
Dirk
Hello Dirk, the stamp is ANA67, also North American.
The man said me too that is as an "Rotschwanz" , the name from the german people for it.
it can´t be the machine, the location is another, too far away.
But thank you for the information
Re: From p.51 Mustang Crash-Place
suchosju - 18.07.2011, 17:29
@ Dirk
i wil look for the place you write, maybe i found something i will post it than here. Thank a lot for the information.
PS: Where have you this information from? Is it from a public source?
Thanks.
Jurgen
Re: From p.51 Mustang Crash-Place
Dirk - 18.07.2011, 18:15
Jurgen, For the MACR´s you need a account by footnote.com
You have more information about the crash site? (towns or villages near the crash site)
Regards Dirk
Re: From p.51 Mustang Crash-Place
suchosju - 18.07.2011, 18:54
Ok, thank you.
the plane crashed down near Adelsheim.
Re: From p.51 Mustang Crash-Place
Dirk - 19.07.2011, 11:58the next trial
Major Edwin F Pezda 359th F/G; 369th F/S
P-51 Mustang "Pauline" Serial: 44-14625
Shot Down by 1/light Flak Batl. 952 (E Tr), Osterburken, 28 Feb 1945 at 10.25
Location of Crash: 3km west of Adelsheim
STATEMENT 1 March 1945
While strafing in the area of Kunzelsau, Germany on 28 February 1945, at approximately 1020 hours. White leader and myself. White 2, made an attack on a truck heading South. I saw white leader, Major Edwin F. Pezda, make the pass and pullup with smoke streaming from the oil air scoop of his aircraft. I called him and them flew up beside him. Oil was coming out of his scoop and streaming off of the tail. We flew for approximately 5 minutes on a heading of 280° at 5000 feet. White leader´s engine stopped and he bailed out at 1025. I saw his chute open at about 4000 feet and he landed in a patch of woods. The chute hung in the trees but I could not see Major Pezda get out of the chute. I belive he was O.K.
I hope this is helpful.
Best regards
Dirk
edit: photo of Edwin F Pezda
edit2: photo of "Pauline"
Re: From p.51 Mustang Crash-Place
suchosju - 19.07.2011, 15:20
Hello Dirk,
that must be the pilot!!!! :I :I :I :I Major Edwin F. Pezda
Thank you!! !! :shock: :shock:
Thank you very much, you got it!
Everything is how, i get it called from my old friend , thank you!!
I didn´t think that it could be possibe to find the pilot, thank you again!!!
Great!!!! :n108: :n108: :n108:
My source said too that the chute hang in the woods and get taken by an ungarian worker, but it hink there could be more things to find.
Re: From p.51 Mustang Crash-Place
Dirk - 19.07.2011, 15:44
Congratulation Jurgen, if you need the MACR tell me your E-Mail adress. I can send it to you.
Best regards
Dirk
Re: From p.51 Mustang Crash-Place
Paul - 19.07.2011, 21:18
Dirk,
Thanks a lot for helping us out here !
Gr.
Paul
Re: From p.51 Mustang Crash-Place
Paul - 19.07.2011, 21:23
Friends,
As the 357 FG has my special interest I can tell you that 44-14625 first was attached to the 362FS/357FG, nicknamed 'SPOOK' and flown by Maj. John A. Kirla.
Paul
Re: From p.51 Mustang Crash-Place
Dirk - 19.07.2011, 22:00
Thank you Paul.
I agree, Maj. John A. Kirla received in the year 1944 the 44-15620 a P-51D-15. He was shot down on 24 Dezember 1944 in the vincinity of Fulda (KIA).
Photo: Capt. John A “Big John” Kirla, Port Chester, NY, 362nd Fighter Squadron. P-51D 44-14625 “Spook”.
Best regards
Dirk
Re: From p.51 Mustang Crash-Place
suchosju - 19.07.2011, 22:07
Hello Dirk,
thanks, I´ll send you a meassge with my e-mail.
Re: From p.51 Mustang Crash-Place
suchosju - 19.07.2011, 22:10
@ Paul, thank you too, for this information.
I´m really glad about that unexpected information :I
Re: From p.51 Mustang Crash-Place
Dirk - 19.07.2011, 22:43
additional information:
Edwin F Pezda, O-024724 from Hamtramck, MI, joined the 369th FS 359th FG as a Captain in October 1943. I have no details of his previous service. He was transferred to Headquarters Unit in May 1944 and promoted to Major on 11 August 1944. He completed his first tour of duty on 30 September 1944. He commenced his second tour on 10 November 1944 and was transferred back to 369th FS on 1 January 1945 as Squadron Commanding Officer.
Source AAF
Re: From p.51 Mustang Crash-Place
Dirk - 20.07.2011, 10:44
Jurgen, I've sent you the macr in your e-mail acc. I've also found a relative of Edwin F. Pezda. If you like it, I can try to contact him.
Greetings Dirk
PS: Birth: Aug. 25, 1917; Death: Dec. 4, 2006; Note: COL US AIR FORCE
Burial:
Arlington National Cemetery
Arlington
Arlington County
Virginia, USA
Plot: Sec: 8-T ROW 3, Site: 2
Re: From p.51 Mustang Crash-Place
suchosju - 21.07.2011, 22:38
Hello Dirk,
i will contact you, when I have time
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