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Re: From a C-47 crash site. Someone can help us?
SALERNO1943 - 02.07.2011, 18:01From a C-47 crash site. Someone can help us?
Here is reportage of our visit to a crash site of a C-47. We know it is crashed in summer of 1944. There are 19 men on it and 11 or 12 deceased. We will be glad to know more about this aircraft and about these men.
The place
1
First find!
2
The crash site
3
Fragment of fuselage.
4
Pilots and\or parachute equipment?
5
Fragments.
6
Object of men are in aircraft. I recognize a fragment of a fork U.S. Some idea for other objects?
7
A lot of glass
8
10 A 250 What it is?
9
Fuselage fragment with LAD 24
10
Plate from the bullet-proof jacket that have gunners in bombers. Do you know C-47 have gunners? We also find a bullet 12,7.
11
Fragments of ceramic
12
Fragments of ammunitions. Bullet of rocket. Bullets 12,7. Bullet and ball from Carbine M1. Balls from cal. 30.
13
What it is?
14
14a
What it is?
15
15a
Fuze BURNDY A-10496
16
What it is?
17
Glass with N
18
Small bottle DES PAT. 8 825
19
Small bottle DES PAT 85...
20
Small bottle K-4533 1-1
21
Buttons and some small part
22
Button and collar disk infantry
23
Label RADIO CALL 315153. This is a sure reference to C-47 4315153.
24
Mario, Pierpaolo e Angelo
25
Thanks for every informations you can gave us!
Re: From a C-47 crash site. Someone can help us?
SALERNO1943 - 06.07.2011, 17:21
Friend of another forum identify another tool of photo 7: a military type cotter key/pin puller
Re: From a C-47 crash site. Someone can help us?
JanZ - 12.07.2011, 10:12
Hi,
- photo 5, bottom right is the seat seat fastening (usually used on pilot's seats, I do not know if these were used also on "passenger" seats of planes like C-47)
- the other part of this buckle is second row from bottom in centre (triangular shape)
- bottom row in centre is a belt from chest type of parachte (the one for attaching to parachute harness)
- second row far right looks like seat belt size fastening
- second row (from top) third from left is from Oxygen mask
- the same row fourth from left is from parachute harness
- photo 7 top row seconf from right is a buckle from parachute opening mechanism (for the "pin" that is attached to the D-ring opening cord)
- item far bottom looks like a tool for opening the "quick-screws" (I do not know correct English term) on various acces doors, engine coverings, etc.
- other items top row does not looks like "personal items", much likely parts from the airplane. The item far right is from fastening of the joining the runner and metal tubes (the screew-fastening ring).
- you are right, the item on right in centre is part of spoon or pork
- photo 10 is the manufacture metal plate labeling for Alclad
- photo 13 - far left is tha bottom from the flare pistol cartridge, not a rocket
- photo 24 - excellent and very important discovery...! :-)
Keep up good work and hope to identify the fate of ths plane. When you have the serial number from radiocall, it is easier. 31 July 1944, crashed near Foggia base, Italy in mountains
Jan
Re: From a C-47 crash site. Someone can help us?
SALERNO1943 - 12.07.2011, 10:18
JanZ wrote: Hi,
- photo 5, bottom right is the seat seat fastening (usually used on pilot's seats, I do not know if these were used also on "passenger" seats of planes like C-47)
- the other part of this buckle is second row from bottom in centre (triangular shape)
- bottom row in centre is a belt from chest type of parachte (the one for attaching to parachute harness)
- second row far right looks like seat belt size fastening
- second row (from top) third from left is from Oxygen mask
- the same row fourth from left is from parachute harness
- photo 7 top row seconf from right is a buckle from parachute opening mechanism (for the "pin" that is attached to the D-ring opening cord)
- item far bottom looks like a tool for opening the "quick-screws" (I do not know correct English term) on various acces doors, engine coverings, etc.
- other items top row does not looks like "personal items", much likely parts from the airplane. The item far right is from fastening of the joining the runner and metal tubes (the screew-fastening ring).
- you are right, the item on right in centre is part of spoon or pork
- photo 10 is the manufacture metal plate labeling for Alclad
- photo 13 - far left is tha bottom from the flare pistol cartridge, not a rocket
- photo 24 - excellent and very important discovery...! :-)
Keep up good work and hope to identify the fate of ths plane. When you have the serial number from radiocall, it is easier. 31 July 1944, crashed near Foggia base, Italy in mountains
Jan
Many thanks for your precious informations. Do you have photos of objects you identified?
Do you also have more informations about this plane? We especially need to know names of crew and of soldiers on it. Actually we not find any report with this informations.
Again thanks.
Re: From a C-47 crash site. Someone can help us?
JanZ - 12.07.2011, 20:47
Hi, I have no more info about that plane. Since it crashed on friendly territory, there is no MACR at all.
Also have no exact photos of the identified parts, have ID them just due to some experience while identification of the same items from B-17s crashsites. But when you look to A-14 oxygen mask anywhere on internet or a chest type parachute, USAAF seatbelts, etc., you will find these items.
Check links such as:
http://wing.chez-alice.fr/USAAF/USAAF_headgear.html
http://wing.chez-alice.fr/USAAF/USAAF_parachute.html
http://picasaweb.google.com/SkyhawkRon/B17AluminumOvercast#5257584870666287938
http://www.aircorpsdepot.com/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=27
Jan
Re: From a C-47 crash site. Someone can help us?
SALERNO1943 - 13.07.2011, 17:02
JanZ wrote: Hi, I have no more info about that plane. Since it crashed on friendly territory, there is no MACR at all.
Also have no exact photos of the identified parts, have ID them just due to some experience while identification of the same items from B-17s crashsites. But when you look to A-14 oxygen mask anywhere on internet or a chest type parachute, USAAF seatbelts, etc., you will find these items.
Check links such as:
http://wing.chez-alice.fr/USAAF/USAAF_headgear.html
http://wing.chez-alice.fr/USAAF/USAAF_parachute.html
http://picasaweb.google.com/SkyhawkRon/B17AluminumOvercast#5257584870666287938
http://www.aircorpsdepot.com/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=27
Jan
Many thanks!!!
Re: From a C-47 crash site. Someone can help us?
Thunderbolt 324thFG - 25.07.2011, 14:50
hi,
Photo 15 it's a browning automatic rifle bipod.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Army_Heritage_Museum_B.A.R..jpg
Thunderbolt
Re: From a C-47 crash site. Someone can help us?
SALERNO1943 - 18.08.2011, 13:18
Here are some other object from this crash site. Some idea?
1 Unknown part
1a
2 Unknown parts
3 Spoon, hair cutter,
4 Black fibers, whithe glass fuse from flames
5 Buttons
6 Buttons
7 Unknown parts
8 Small fragments
9 Razor, part of parachute, glasses
10 Buttons army coat
11 Small parts
12 Unknown object
13 Unknown object
14 Label. Someone can read it?
Re: From a C-47 crash site. Someone can help us?
SALERNO1943 - 20.08.2011, 13:14
Here are other objects frind yesterday with help of Pierpaolo, Francesco, Angelo e Gianluca.
15 Field-bed part, interruptors.
16 Unknown
17 Unknown.
18 Unknown
19 rear 78707111
20
21 Buttons
22
23 Sun glass fragment, electronic parts
24 MICAMOLD
25
26 Rank insigna lt? Part of cleaner kit M1
27 Buttons uniform. The biggest fragment is rank insigna berrett?
28 Plate
SIGNAL CORPS U.S. ARMY
MODULATOR UNIT BC-456-B
SERIAL NO. 38443
MADE BY
Western Electric
NEW YORK N.Y.
29 ONE CENT
30
31 Textile + plastic buttons
Re: From a C-47 crash site. Someone can help us?
SALERNO1943 - 06.09.2011, 18:30
Here are italian newspapers that gave new about our discovery.
ROMA 28 august 2011
IL MATTINO 29 august 2011
BUONGIORNO IRPINIA 31 august 2011
Someone can send me e-mail addresses of USA newspapers and USA historical magazine that can be interested to publish this new? I hope in this way to find some or relatives of deceased soldiers.
Re: From a C-47 crash site. Someone can help us?
ian_ - 13.09.2011, 22:46
Hello there, I believe photo 1 is a fire extinguisher holder, similar here:
http://www.armourinfocus.co.uk/churchill/restoration/stowage/pyrene_fire%20extinguisher_and_bracket.jpg
An interesting mix of aircraft and army items.
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