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Clock_With_Lemon - 21.03.2007, 11:21
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How much demand do you think there is for a CD of unreleased and unfinished abba songs? Do you think it would sell well? Which songs do you think should be on it?

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Abbamerica - 21.03.2007, 16:17

The popularity of ABBA continues to grow throughout the World.There is a pent-up demand for something new. If unrealeased songs /new mixes were released, they would climb the charts Worldwide including the U.S.,providing Universal vigorously promoted such a release. ABBA fans would go WILD!

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johnny59 - 21.03.2007, 17:36

It would.

Recognize the subjunctive. :lol:

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WATERL00 - 21.03.2007, 22:03

Sorry, but I have to disagree. The fact that even the normal record-buyers seem to buy every new complilation with always the same material (otherwise there wouldn't be so many different compilations around) prooves that there is a big interest in ABBA today.
If there would be suddenly new material, then I'm sure also people who are a little bit interested in music but who are not an ABBA-fan would buy a cd with "new" ABBA songs as long as this iem would be properly promoted and as longs as the ne tracks are not hidden on an over 100€-expensive box-set.
ABBA are together with the Beatles and Queen the most popular music-group ever and therefore in a way belong to pop-music-culture.

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Maxi-saxi - 22.03.2007, 05:54

Carribean wrote: I don't think it would be a best seller at all because only fans will be interested in these unreleased songs.
The average audience wants to hear hits!
But I have had it with hit compilations... gimme the unreleased stuff!

Well said Carribean.

Same here
There are plenty of alternate versions in the vaults and tracks still to be released.

They could even get in a producer and do a project like the Beatles Love.
Maxi-saxi :wink:

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drimnagh - 22.03.2007, 15:58

Fed up to my back teeth of compilations! :evil:

Gimme the unreleased stuff or better still a completely re-mixed 'trancey- dancey- funky- housey' album of their biggest hits! I want it NOW!!

Joe

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WATERL00 - 22.03.2007, 18:29

Carribean wrote: More ABBA Gold (with mostly well known songs and a few odd tracks) sold less that 3 Million copies and was deleted.
Not bad at all but certainly not a bestseller! It was not properly promoted.
People who bought ABBA Gold did not know what More ABBA Gold should be good for.
If Universal would promote a compilation with rare and unreleased ABBA-songs on TV and newspaper it would top the charts.
You just have to show the people that there are ABBA-songs nearly noone knows.

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Fire&Ice - 22.03.2007, 22:13

Zeebee wrote: Carribean wrote: More ABBA Gold (with mostly well known songs and a few odd tracks) sold less that 3 Million copies and was deleted.
Not bad at all but certainly not a bestseller!

This despite the fact that More ABBA Gold includes the previously unreleased I Am The City. Being an ABBA fan, I bought More ABBA Gold just for I Am The City.

More ABBA Gold was the first ABBA compilation (on tape! :lol: ) I had bought after a long break from ABBA! I was amazed at I am the City and heard some other songs for the first time! I was out of ABBA after The Album so I stopped buying the later albums. What a joy to discover "new" songs back then!

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Anonymous - 23.03.2007, 08:09

Maxi-saxi wrote: Sadly they caned the project!

Debbie, when I read that statement, I assumed you meant to say they canned the project, not caned it. But you included the rotfl emoticon, so maybe you did mean they caned the project. :rotfl: In any case, thanks for the laugh.


Spring is here! :blob1:

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ABBAnator - 23.03.2007, 09:45

johnny59 wrote: What is "caned" supposed to mean?
Perhaps B&B were mixing it in a Singapore studio and the authorites didn't like it ....

Bruce :rotfl2:

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Fire&Ice - 23.03.2007, 16:25

Isn't it "canned the project"? That's dump it or bin it, right?

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ABBAnator - 24.03.2007, 03:22

Fire&Ice wrote: Oh lol! A cane is a kind of a walking stick, so just imagine what it means! :D

A cane is also a stick or rod used for flogging. So "caned" is past tense for being flogged.

At any rate, it was clear to me that Debbie meant "canned", as in throwing the project into a trash can or abandoning it.

I just hope she wasn't offended by our poking a bit of fun at her spelling mistake. :oops:

Bruce

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Carribean - 24.03.2007, 15:01

And by poking fun nobody bothered to say: what???

I have never heard of Benny and Bjorn going into the studio after Gold to remix anything! When asked after the box release in 1994 Bjorn said they did not remix anything but just finished the mix for Put On Your White Sombrero.
They did go into the studio in the late eighties (maybe 1986) for a remix project but decided that it was not for them.

So according to me that statement is not true at all!

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Carribean - 24.03.2007, 20:53

Visitor1982 wrote: Actually B&B remixed some ABBA songs in 1991. Benny only finished Dancing Queen and thought that it didn't add anything to the original song. Polygram wanted to release an ABBA remix album before they went with Gold.

B&B did do some stuff in 1994 for the boxset. Like adding some parts for Put On Your White Sombrero (no vocals of course) and mixing Dream World properly. They also tried to mix Just A Notion and they deleted a synth riff from the Doris Day version of Thank You For The Music.

Marnix

This is what Bjorn said in an interview in 1994 as an answer to the question about songs on the boxset:
Did you work again on those unreleased tracks (additional production or emix)?

'Oh, no, no, no! Just for one of the tracks Put On Your White Sombrero. That was absolutely unmixed, so we just mixed that, not adding anything. We balanced the sound, that was it. After that, we haven't done anything.'

About the remix project he said:

'We did that just for fun, once, two or three years ago. It's unreal. It's something out of the past that we don't wanna touch again, because we did the best we could at that and that's it.'

We all know Bjorn's memory concerning ABBA is not the best but this interview was done around the release of that boxset so I am sure he knew what he was talking about this time!



Quotes from ABBF magazine 41 (December 1994) and 42 (March 1995).

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Visitor1982 - 24.03.2007, 21:46

Carribean wrote: Visitor1982 wrote: Actually B&B remixed some ABBA songs in 1991. Benny only finished Dancing Queen and thought that it didn't add anything to the original song. Polygram wanted to release an ABBA remix album before they went with Gold.

B&B did do some stuff in 1994 for the boxset. Like adding some parts for Put On Your White Sombrero (no vocals of course) and mixing Dream World properly. They also tried to mix Just A Notion and they deleted a synth riff from the Doris Day version of Thank You For The Music.

Marnix

This is what Bjorn said in an interview in 1994 as an answer to the question about songs on the boxset:
Did you work again on those unreleased tracks (additional production or emix)?

'Oh, no, no, no! Just for one of the tracks Put On Your White Sombrero. That was absolutely unmixed, so we just mixed that, not adding anything. We balanced the sound, that was it. After that, we haven't done anything.'

About the remix project he said:

'We did that just for fun, once, two or three years ago. It's unreal. It's something out of the past that we don't wanna touch again, because we did the best we could at that and that's it.'

We all know Bjorn's memory concerning ABBA is not the best but this interview was done around the release of that boxset so I am sure he knew what he was talking about this time!



Quotes from ABBF magazine 41 (December 1994) and 42 (March 1995).

Well the information I have is from Carl Magnus Palm. F.e. Dream World. Originally that song didn't have a fade-in intro, it just started abruptly. They changed that as well. And they removed the synthesizer from the Doris Day version of Thank You For The Music. They also tried to mix Just A Notion, because that one (just like Put On Your White Sombrero) was never mixed in 1978. But they felt they couldn't mix the recording properly. That's why we only got half of the song in 1994.

And the remix project; well, I said it was done in 1991. And Björn seems to confirm that.

Marnix

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Visitor1982 - 24.03.2007, 22:23

Carribean wrote: Visitor1982 wrote:
And the remix project; well, I said it was done in 1991. And Björn seems to confirm that.

Marnix

True!

But CMP can say whatever he wants... I do think Bjorn will know better what he did or did not do recently.
So if he says they only mixed Sombrereo I of course take his word without feeling the need to discuss it.

So you really don't believe that they'd tried to mix Just A Notion as well and that they changed the intro for Dream World or removed a synth part from Thank You For The Music?

Well then you probably believe Benny as well when he said in 1994: 'There is no full version of Just Like That. What is released is the only thing there...' he claimed that in a German fanclub magazine from that year...

Suit yourself.

Marnix

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Visitor1982 - 25.03.2007, 00:17

Carribean wrote: I was talking about Bjorn and the fact that he worked on the boxset and told in in interview what they did. There is absolutely no reason for me to think that he is not telling the truth. I was not there and I bet CMP was not around either. So why would we be so arrogant to think we know better?

Concerning Benny and Just Like That; we all know there is a complete finished version but maybe they cannot find it. The released snipped has some quality flaws... The early version of Waterloo is missing, some Bjorn & Benny songs are and even Agnetha's It's So Nice To Be Rich seems to be gone.

Carl Magnus Palm was very much involved in the project. It is common knowledge that the full version of Just A Notion was going to be on the boxset, but because B&B couldn't get it right they decided to release only a small snippet. And Palm heard all the unreleased songs so he must have known what was changed and what was not, f.e. with they synthesizer that was on the original recording of Thank You For The Music. Michael B. Tretow also did some work on the Undeleted Medley.

I have a bootleg with the original Dream World opening. It's not with a fade-in. So the fairy's must have changed it for the boxset? Well, those fairy's are Björn & Benny!

B&B did more than just mix Put On Your White Sombrero. That's just a fact. :D

Marnix

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Carribean - 25.03.2007, 00:25

Mixing of Dream World was done on October 6th and 7th 1978 so I bet there were more mixes done and you happen to have one of them!

And yes I can hear that Just Like That was edited but maybe it was not from the original tape. Again: what do we know!?

I for one don't want to run after rumours which you call facts.
Bjorn said they did not do any addtional work so I have no reason to believe that it is not true.

Nor do I want to argue about this so you believe what you want and I believe what I want. Seems to me to be a good deal!

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Abbamerica - 25.03.2007, 04:22

Thanks so much Iancee for the links to CMP's website with all the info on the TYFTM boxset.Its got info I've never read anywhere else and I better understand why some of my favorite songs(Just Like That, Just A Notion etc.)will not be released for many years to come. What a tragedy that after all these years, B&B haven't softened up some more and give the fans what they want!

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Maxi-saxi - 25.03.2007, 05:40

I read Carl's page again about the Box set. So.. as we new all of those songs are in full.

May be time will tell and hopefully one day we will get full versions of these songs.

Maxi-saxi

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WATERL00 - 25.03.2007, 15:25

Ricki Rock'n'Roller is also finished as far as I know. And although the lyrics are repeated all over again I'd love to hear Rubber Ball man in Full simply because the backing-track is finished with string overdubbs etc.

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Anonymous - 26.03.2007, 08:15

Thanks for the links, Ian. It was interesting to read.

In the book The Complete Recording Sessions, Carl Magnus Palm says of Givin' A Little Bit More "no vocals seem to have been recorded", which, as we know, is incorrect.

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Maxi-saxi - 27.03.2007, 07:43

Once again Cheers Ian

Maxi-saxi