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Dutchy - 16.12.2006, 17:18
Releases for 2007 - ABBA The Album Deluxe Edition?
I hope 'The Album' will be released as a Deluxe Edition. But what can we expect on this CD/DVD Edition? 'The Album' with bonus tracks and ABBA The Movie as DVD? As far as I know ABBA did not perform on tv-shows in 1977.

marco-esteban - 16.12.2006, 18:32

Actually I don't think there will be any Deluxe edition for The Album. There is no need to insert The Movie in it as it's already released and still available everywhere. I already bought the DVD and won't buy it again.
I would like such an edition if they had as many original and "new" material as for Arrival, but as it's not the case, I wouldn't buy just the same stuff with a new package for a few TV shots from Take a Chance on Me or Thank you for the Music.
I've already bought the same songs several times and I think there are limits in buying them again and again for a new artwork or a few new words by Carl Magnus Palm.

Joe - 16.12.2006, 19:53

I'm sure there will be a Deluxe version - and not only for The Album.

I think it's very doubtful that there will be any additional footage of The Movie or the tour included. I also can't imagine The Movie 'wasted' for this and I don't want this at all!!! I want to get some 'new' stuff and there's some really interesting material to choose from: several TV clips, interviews and reports.

You can find some ideas here (and in other existing threads too):
http://www.iphpbb.com/board/ftopic-30652567nx61610-360.html
(there even is more material for the Album, e.g. 'Rapport' from 1978)

I really don't see any problem, if they can't find a big TV special for a certain 'Deluxe edition'. There will always be enough material. As mentioned earlier in another thread, it's even possible to make a 'deluxe' of an older compilation with a matching TV special included... It should be pretty clear by now anyway, that you will only get new material together with a re-release of something known. - So take it or leave it!

Joachim

Didi - 16.12.2006, 22:08

"ABBA - The Album" could have "Olivia" as an extra, it was done roughly around then, if maybe a little before the release, but it is later than "Arrival", for which "ABBA In Poland" would have been perfect, so "Olivia", for "The Album". "Olivia" seems now unavailable, was once on Lazerdisc, but now I see is not made anymore in that form.

"Waterloo" could have a few of the run off appearances for the Swedish heats of 1974 and in addition maybe with the previous year's "Ring Ring" attempt at Eurovision selection.

"ABBA" could have "The Best of ABBA/Bandstand" and "The Don Lane Show".

"ABBA In Switzerland", could go on a "Voulez-Vous" DeLuxe.

"Words and Music" documentary could go on a "Super Trouper" DeLuxe.

The 3, "Cassandra", "Under Attack" and "The Day Before You Came" from "Show Express" appearances could go on "The Visitors".

All it needs is a little imagination from that record company, but I guess that is too much hard work for them to do as we suggest. I know if I was there, I would be pressing for these shows to be added to the above DeLuxe Editions.

Now we have "Arrival" as a deluxe, the collection seems lacking without the others being made to match.

Diego

welshabbalover - 16.12.2006, 22:26

After having a brief look at abbaontv, I put together this tracklist for the dvd(s).

I would have the original cd, plus 2 dvds. One for 1977, and one for 1978. These are the tracklisting...

1977;

Rapport - Feburary 1977
Sveriges Magasin
*Various austrailian new reports about ABBA*
ABBA Smoking Doccumentary
ABBA Veronica Muziekspecial
Nöjesliv
Maybe some ABBA the movie Out-takes

1978;

Musicscene Interview
Blue Peter
Am Laufenden Band
Les Rendez-Vous du Dimanche
Olivia!
James Last's star parade
ABBA Special (Japan)
Mike Yarwood's Christmas Show

I know that i would be happy with Olivia, ABBA special and Mike yarwoods christmas show !! To have more would be brill!

I think universal has finally realised we will buy new things (like arrival) and will therefore take advantage of this :):)

Maxi-saxi - 17.12.2006, 07:58

Didi wrote: "ABBA - The Album" could have "Olivia" as an extra, it was done roughly around then, if maybe a little before the release, but it is later than "Arrival", for which "ABBA In Poland" would have been perfect, so "Olivia", for "The Album". "Olivia" seems now unavailable, was once on Lazerdisc, but now I see is not made anymore in that form.

"Waterloo" could have a few of the run off appearances for the Swedish heats of 1974 and in addition maybe with the previous year's "Ring Ring" attempt at Eurovision selection.

"ABBA" could have "The Best of ABBA/Bandstand" and "The Don Lane Show".

"ABBA In Switzerland", could go on a "Voulez-Vous" DeLuxe.

"Words and Music" documentary could go on a "Super Trouper" DeLuxe.

The 3, "Cassandra", "Under Attack" and "The Day Before You Came" from "Show Express" appearances could go on "The Visitors".

All it needs is a little imagination from that record company, but I guess that is too much hard work for them to do as we suggest. I know if I was there, I would be pressing for these shows to be added to the above DeLuxe Editions.

Now we have "Arrival" as a deluxe, the collection seems lacking without the others being made to match.

Diego

I agree with Deigo,

There is plenty of preformances and Interviews they can put on the ALBUM Deluxe Edition for next year, There were preformances of ABBA On Starprade singing songs from the Album.

I mean why start and stop, If they do a deluxe they can do Deluxe editions for every Album, They just have to get of their backsides and get material from sourses around the world, and put something together.


I do not believe in this b******* of nothing to put on a bonus DVD or CD, Their are plenty of TV preformances from Around the world and As I said earlier Interviews.

They And by that I mean Universal have to start using their Brains, and show some excitment in what they are doing.

Maxi-saxi :lol:

Hades - 17.12.2006, 13:53

I wonder if we will get more deluxe editions besides "Waterloo" and "Arrival".
It is not uncommon that only one defining album from an artist's career gets this treatment, f.e. Donna Summer's "Bad girls" and Diana Ross' "Diana".

Maxi-saxi - 18.12.2006, 05:14

Didi wrote: All ABBA albums defined their career in my opinion, all deserve equal treatment, not just the ones that suit the record company if they come across some extras to add in at a knock down price...

Diego

Well said my friend, And I e-mailed Carl Magnus Palm about this Deluxe Editions for All ABBA releases. He said it does not have to be a 30th Anniversary to celebrate these coming out. As I said to him Universal Missed the plot not releasing ABBA in that format..

He sid Universal have not ruled anything out yet.


Maxi-saxi :lol:

cdnut - 08.01.2007, 18:25

This is only my opinion, but the future of more repackaged, redisgned, remastered, bonus tracks, bonus discs ----- (you get my point) will only :

1. Prove to B&B there is no need to even think about releasing any more Demo tracks they KNOW we'd love to have officially,

and

2. Will not sell well (like 'Number Ones' will) & Universal will delete them, serious collectors will buy every copy they can get there hands on and Ebay will be flooded with "rare, out-of-print" Abba cd's to auction off to the fans that will buy everything.


I help out a friend that owns a used audio/video & game store that buys, sells, & trades used merchandise when he has to do inventory. We just finished an inventory one last week, and in the CD section there were 26 copies of A8BA Gold with dated stickers [from when they were brought in for cash or trade] from early 2006.

A8BA Gold has reached it's final destination as far as 'USED' music, the clearance rack!

-Jeff

Joe - 08.01.2007, 20:02

Well, when is a flop a flop? It's pretty obvious that you can't expect any similiar numbers for a re-release as for the original release. And that's all about: what did Universal expect to sell in which time, where and for which price?

Perhaps you know better, but the Deluxe editions still might pay off worldwide after a while. The costs for the cd are very low and they are limiting additional costs by sticking to NTSC versions for the dvd only. I'm also sure that there would have been more possible in cleaning the videos when spending more time and money on it.

What's about the Waterloo anniversary edition? I think that would be more interesting to compare with. If the sells were too low for this than you might wonder why Universal had tried it again with Arrival?

Maybe you're right, but I'm not convinced yet.

Joachim

Carribean - 08.01.2007, 22:43

I guess a DeLuxe edition is not expected to be a fast seller at all. It might be in the shops for some time and will continue to sell.
At least I think that that is how it works with 'oldies'.

onlyabba4me - 09.01.2007, 18:00

Hello,
I never said that Universal, (or I), expected the 'Greatest Hits', & 'Arrival', Re-issues to sell anywhere near as well as the original releases.

However, I anticipate that they expected them to sell better than less than 7,000 UK copies between them. Add in, 'Waterloo', & they probably sold 9,000 to 10,000 between them in the UK. (If that).

For example, Beatles Studio Albums sell far better in the UK every Year, & since CD's came out, several Beatles Albums have Re-Charted in the UK Top 50 - no ABBA Studio Album ever has - not since 'The Visitors' left the UK Top 75 in 1982.

'Arrival' has sold 74,000 in the UK since 1994, so it may well sell more than 2,000 to 3,000, in the UK as the Years go by.

The problem is, that The Beatles can sell their Studio Albums still because, over the Years several of their Album Tracks have been UK Hit Singles - long after they split up.

Benny & Bjorn will not allow it for ABBA, so most people only know what their old Singles are - and they can get them on 'Gold' - so they see no point in buying their old Studio Albums. (When several UK Critics reviewed 'Mamma Mia!', in 1999, they LIKED 'Slipping Through My Fingers' - and they had never heard it before! You have to let people get the chance to hear less well known ABBA Songs - otherwise, all they know are the old Singles).

ABBA's Studio Albums would not have sold as well, as they did, in the 1970's, & early 1980's, had no Singles been taken off them. It was the Singles that caused many people to be attracted to buy the Albums.

It never happens anymore - Benny & Bjorn refuse to allow it. I know many people who have 'Gold', & cannot even name more than 2 or 3 other ABBA Songs. (When I ask them why they have no ABBA Studio Albums, they tend to say:, 'But, surely their only decent songs are on 'Gold'?).

They never hear the old Album Tracks. It would be a huge help if some of them could be Singles.

The UK Singles Chart changed last Week. From now on Down Loads can be UK Hits - even if a CD Single of them NEVER appears in UK Stores. This means that if an old Beatles or Queen Album Track is used in a Movie, & people like it, they can go Home, & Down Load it - and get it to be a UK Hit Single - without it needing to be a CD.

It cannot happen for ABBA, as too many already have their Singles on 'Gold', etc, & Benny & Bjorn only allow old ABBA Singles to be used in Movies. But, thousands of UK Movie goers are not going to go Home & Down Load the same old ABBA Singles again - just because they have heard them in a Movie. Too many have them on ABBA Compilations.

It could only happen with an old ABBA Album Track - something that is NEW to a great many UK people, who see a Movie with it in.

Another way that old ABBA Tracks could be Hits - as Down Loads - would be if Benny & Bjorn allow them to be used in UK TV Adverts - but, they will not allow that either.

For example, 'Don't Stop Me Now', by Queen, is at Number 76 in the current UK Singles Chart - as a Down Load only. This is because it has been used, for Months, in a UK TV Advert. It would have been in the Singles Chart Weeks ago, had Down Load only Tracks been allowed to Chart before this Week.

It looks like it can never happen for ABBA. There are to be no Album Tracks as Singles. No Remixes. No TV Adverts with their Songs in. No Movies with their old Album Tracks in. (Someone who hates ABBA, may as well make these Rules for them!).

The result is that the New Rules in the UK Singles Chart are unlikely to ever see an ABBA Track getting into the Top 10 as a Down Load only Track.

Experts are already predicting that many Beatles Songs will be UK Hits in 2007 - their Tracks will be Official Down Loads later in 2007. Whilst I do not think any of their old Singles can be Big Hits - they've sold too many on Compilations - I bet that some Beatles Album Tracks will be Hits.

ABBA's back Catalogue forever revolves mainly around 20 to 30 Global Singles - and they have sold too many on Compilations to be Hits again.

'Waterloo' reached Number 20, in the UK, in 2004 - but it only sold 4,000 to 5,500 copies. Even that many were only sold because it was on 2 or 3 Formats - many of its Sales were to the same ABBA Fans buying each Format. The UK Public already had it on 'Gold' - they were 100% not interested in buying it as a 2004 Single.

Until Benny & Bjorn do something more exciting, as regards what can be an ABBA Single - if ever - ABBA can never again have a Top 10 Hit anywhere in the World. A Global Hit would bring attention to whichever Studio Album it is on too.

It is no use ABBA Tracks - that most people have never heard - being buried on old Studio Albums. People will not buy those Albums, because they only know the Singles off them - and they think they will not like the other Tracks on them. They think that they will just get the old Singles on them - plus a lot of weak 'Filler' Tracks. They think they will be wasting their money - on a weak ABBA Album.

This is why old Beatles Albums can sell well, & old ABBA ones cannot - The Beatles Album tracks have always been given a chance to be heard. Only ABBA's Singles get Promoted - on endless ABBA Compilations.

And even most people are fed up of buying the Singles on Compilations now. 'Number Ones', has only been Top 10 in one Country - Estonia. Population, 1,324,333. One of the World's tiniest Record Markets. You probably can have a Number 1 Album there on 3,000 to 5,000 Sales!

The rest of the World is just rather bored with buying the same old ABBA Singles - the UK & Ireland certainly are.....