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Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

HGN2001 - 06.11.2006, 13:45
Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy
Though I'd heard ABBA's hit tracks since they were new in the '70s and '80s, I'd never explored their deeper catalog - the album tracks, the b-sides, and the previously unreleased stuff, until this past year.

I bought the COMPLETE STUDIO RECORDINGS just about a year ago, and have been gradually "exploring" the various albums, etc., during this year.

One of my favorite discoveries - a track that I cannot get out of my head - is "Dream World". I've read about the history of the track, that it was recorded during the VOULEZ VOUS sessions, that it had been finished and shelved for years, and finally released on the THANK YOU FOR THE MUSIC box set in the mid '90s.

What I'd like you longtime fans to discuss, is:

[A] When did you first hear the "Dream World" track? Was it really "new" on the box set or had it circled fandom for years as a bootleg?

[B] How did you react upon hearing "Dream World" for the first time?

[C] How has the track been generally received by the ABBA community of fans?

[D] Does the song make you think of "Does Your Mother Know" since it's claimed that the bridge was lifted for that song?

Harry

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

kitty-cat - 06.11.2006, 14:24

I like Dream World, and yes i definately can here the 'Does Your Mother Know' part, its definately not one of their best songs, but the haromnies are lovely on it. I dont think it was available as bootleg before it appeared on the box set. I hadnt heard of it thats for sure.


Gill xx

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

supertrouper - 06.11.2006, 19:27

I first heard Dream World when I got the TYFYM box set. Having not read The Complete Studio Sessions book then, I had never heard of it before. Along with Put On Your White Sombrero I couldn't believe I had 2 new A8BA songs I had never heard of before.

On first hearing, I was amazed this song was not released back in 1979. I loved it instantly. All the classic A8BA ingredients were there.

I have read mixed reactions to how other fans have taken the song. Music is a personal thing. We all have our likes and dislikes.

It definately reminds me off DYMK. You can hear it very clearly. I think that is why B&B never released it originally.

Anthony. :D

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

j-a-n - 06.11.2006, 21:40

hi there,

dreamworld was available as a bootleg before its official release, but with a real beginning, not faded in. it´s not one of my favourites.

cu

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

aggie-fan - 06.11.2006, 23:53

hi, well the first time i have heard dream world was about 2 months ago. i finally bought the cds " thank you for the music" i finally desided to spend the $120.00 for it.. and i love this song. great vocals on it also.



aggie-fan

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

HGN2001 - 07.11.2006, 02:51

aggie-fan wrote:
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hi, well the first time i have heard dream world was about 2 months ago. i finally bought the cds " thank you for the music" i finally desided to spend the $120.00 for it.. and i love this song. great vocals on it also.
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Wow. That's expensive. I bought THANK YOU FOR THE MUSIC here in the US for about $25 US Dollars, but it was a used set.

Harry

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

MammaMia512 - 07.11.2006, 02:58

I first heard it from the Complete Studio Recordings (I will be forever grateful for it!) The song is amazing. And yes, I can definitely hear, in part of the song, a resemblance to Does Your Mother Know (but it's a little hard to explain...)

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

Carribean - 07.11.2006, 04:00

I actually heard Dream World on the radio the day before the boxset was released late 1994. I too could not believe that I was actually hearing an ABBA song I had never heard before.

The song is nice but it is not a favorite although it is funny to hear the part that ended up in Does Your Mother Know.

Dream World was played by Michael Tretow on Swedish radio in 1986 and that is how it ended up on bootlegs.

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

Maxi-saxi - 07.11.2006, 04:14

I first Heard Dreamworld on a shocking bootleg Cd,

But when I heard the version on the boxset what a difference I like the song very much 8)

Maxi-saxi

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

Anonymous - 07.11.2006, 09:48

I agree that the price aggie-fan paid for the Thank You For The Music box set is high. When it was released, I think the price was about $50 US.

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

Fire&Ice - 07.11.2006, 10:44

Dream World is an excellent song, the girls harmonizing like angels. Catchy melody.

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

andy2k4 - 07.11.2006, 12:36

So how did it originally start, without the fade in? what did that go like?

Dream world was / is my favourite ABBA unreleased track. I think it is great, and could have been included on the V V album had the DYMK part been altered slightly.

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

HGN2001 - 07.11.2006, 12:57

andy2k4 wrote:
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Dream world was / is my favourite ABBA unreleased track. I think it is great, and could have been included on the V V album had the DYMK part been altered slightly.
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To me, the "Does Your Mother Know" part sounds less like that particular song than "Happy Hawaii" sounds like "Why Did It Have To Be Me", and yet those two songs both saw release, though one was a b-side.

For me, "Dream World" is a fabulous recording. I'm amazed that it wasn't released as a single.

Harry

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

andy2k4 - 07.11.2006, 13:25

Yes, Happy Hawaii does sound like why did it have to be me, but I think that was the idea. Different takes on the same melody. That is why HH was never an actual album track.

But I meant that dream world could have been included as an album track in its own right. No B side, No bonus track. For that to happen, the DYMK part would have to be altered. To me, that is the weakest part of dream world anyway. Perhaps they could have used some of the melody from rubber ball man to complete the track?

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

Fire&Ice - 07.11.2006, 13:40

Rubber ball man is another excellent recording!

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

abbascots - 07.11.2006, 13:49

Hi I realy like this song also
Regards johnsteven :D

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

Anonymous - 08.11.2006, 08:44

I agree about the "DYMK" part being the weakest part of Dream World. I like the way the song ends with the chorus, minus the DYMK part, followed by the same synthesizer music as at the beginning of the song.

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

Bobbysbrother - 08.11.2006, 09:27

Hi!

A] When did you first hear the "Dream World" track? Was it really "new" on the box set or had it circled fandom for years as a bootleg?

I first listened to this track, all shiny and "new", from the box set... Never saw a bootleg featuring this or other unreleased songs before.

[B] How did you react upon hearing "Dream World" for the first time?

My reaction was pretty good actually! What I liked in this song was basically its energy, that "compact" solid sound...its just very high and powerful: the confident Agnethas singing, the loud Fridas backing "pa pa pa pa"s, strong guitars and that ending jolly merry-go-round of synths.
The lyrics are a quite a "discouraging" actually, bitter and so in contrast with the uplifting music mood by the way... All in all this certainly is one of my favourite unreleased ABBA songs.

[C] How has the track been generally received by the ABBA community of fans?

Apart the personal likes and dislikes about the song, I guess we can say that any unreleased abba song, once officially published in 1994, had received enthusiastic responses from ABBA fans. Discovering these shiny, "new" sparkling recordings was a big surprise anyway!

[D] Does the song make you think of "Does Your Mother Know" since it's claimed that the bridge was lifted for that song?

Of course the reference quickly came in mind! Just like when I first listened to Just Like That I soon noticed those music lines from Under Attack...
But anyway, I think the famous bridge from Does Your Mother Know stays just perfect where it is! That catchy thing is the main strenght of that song...

Cheers,
Andrea

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

Regina - 08.11.2006, 11:39

I can't remember the exact year when I heard it for the first time. But I got it taped on cassette (CDs still were not popular back then) in the first half of the 80's - and I loved this track from the very beginning. Back then I didn't notice that it had elements of "Does your mother know". I was just so happy to have this unpublished song.

At the same time a song called "Friday Nights" was in discussion among ABBA Fans and somebody taped it on a cassette for me as well. I thought for a for years that it was ABBA. But it was not from them :oops: A girl group (have forgotten their name - Arabesque?) sang it.

Cheers
Regina

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

Hugo - 10.11.2006, 09:42
DREAMWORLD "DISC"OVERY
I was on the bootleg cd "Made in Sweden" in 93 that I hear "Dreamworld" for the first time, but with the sound starting not in fade in....

I think it's a great song with a single potential, maybe between Summer Night city and Chiquitita.....

Dommage that the song was left in the can at that itme....

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

jacko10 - 10.11.2006, 13:05

First time I heard Dream world was on the ABBA Thankyou for the Music Boxset

I was in my element having all these new songs and clips from abba I had never heard before!

Jack

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

Pabs - 11.11.2006, 02:37

I liked it when I first heard it. And it didn't take me long to realise that it was the mother of not one, but two songs from the Voulez-Vous album: "Does Your Mother Know" AND "Kisses of Fire".

"Dream World" was written first, and then the boys weren't happy with it, pulled the song apart, and made two new songs out of it ("Does Your Mother Know" AND "Kisses of Fire"). These 2 songs can be said to be the "children" of "Dreamworld".

They would have never released it at the time because it sounded too similar to those 2 other songs on the Voulez-Vous album. It would have been very unprofessional of ABBA - and way below their standards - to release songs which sounded like something else they recorded before.

If "Dream World" had appeared on VOULEZ-VOUS along with those other two songs, I would have noticed the similarities and would have been very disappointed with ABBA's creative standards.

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

Toni - 07.04.2007, 18:44

Hello Harry,

A: "Dream World" was one of the songs on "Thank You For The Music" that I didn´t knew in 1994.

B: The first thing I did, when I was at home after buying the 4-cd-set, I was putting CD4 in the player. Then I heard "Put On Your White Sombrero". The feeling was so great, to hear another ABBA songs after so many years. The second song was "Dream World" and the feelings were the same.

C: I guess the ABBA fans like the song.

D: Of course I heard the part, which was used in "Does Your Mother Know". But nowadays I don´t think about that, when I hear "Dream World."

Nice greetings
Toni :D

How about posting again, Harry?

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

WATERL00 - 07.04.2007, 22:16

I listened to Dreamworld first when i got the TYFYM-box set. Actually this song was the reason for me to buy it since it was rather expensive compared to my little pocket money at that time.
It a fantastic song and it really had deserved to be on Voulez-Vous, in my opinion the song has single-potential.

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

HGN2001 - 21.04.2007, 22:01

Toni wrote: How about posting again, Harry?

I'm still around - just not posting too often.

"Dream World" remains a favorite, and I wish it would be put on a compilation of regular tracks rather than just being a rarities track on the box sets.

I have the song on both THANK YOU FOR THE MUSIC and the COMPLETE STUDIO RECORDINGS.

Harry

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

WATERL00 - 21.04.2007, 22:19

Still I wonder why ABBA thought this song was too weak for release. I mean the part that was later used in Does Your Mother Know is one arguemnt but they could have edited it out. I'm not very fond of this part at all and I wouldn't mind if it had been left out.
Af´terall the song is stronger than the one or the other from Voulez-Vous although this is my favourit ABBA-album.

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

drimnagh - 26.04.2007, 15:24

I like ALL the rarities, some more than others but I get frustrated because the quality is so poor (although bearable) and I LONG to hear them mixed properly and in my possession! NOW!!

I believe a lot of ABBA fans share my feelings and so for that reason I rarely play the bootlegs as it just reminds me that ABBA are no longer active as a group whereas if I play the well known songs I can suspend my disbelief and pretend ABBA might even be appearing at a venue near me sometime soon! :eyebrow:

Joe

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

platobird - 26.04.2007, 19:33

drimnagh wrote: I can suspend my disbelief and pretend ABBA might even be appearing at a venue near me sometime soon!
This is the route to certain ABBA-insanity. :rotate: When I feel this way, I shout to myself that "It Won't Happen". When I come back to reality, I play a CD or two and enjoy the fantastic legacy of song they left behind. :D

I suffer delusions regularly, because I lived nearby when ABBA appeared in the US, but I didn't go. Rock concerts got a bad name after Woodstock, and I didn't want to be associated with that ilk! :stupid: All I heard of ABBA back then was on the radio and a fraction of a TV show.

Now, I'm happy to be part of the ABBA cult and spend, spend, spend on CDs and DVDs. (I'm waiting for a couple of new ones to arrive from AMAZON - maybe today.) Dream world is on my Opus 10 bootleg and in the Studio Recordings that I got about a year ago. It's been backing for slide shows on YouTube for a while, and I don't recall if I heard it first there or not. I enjoy it along with 100 other ABBA songs. :excited:

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

PeopleNeedLove - 26.04.2007, 22:44

As I mentioned in the Listening To? thread, I just recently discovered Dream World, and I absolutely adore it. It's been on Repeat the past three days, actually.......... :o

It's funny- After I read this thread, I analyzed the song like the Zapruder film, trying to discern exactly where the DMYK part came in. It took a LONG time, but I finally figured out where it is- IMO, it's really hidden in there, not at all like Happy Hawaii/WDIH2BM.......

I'm surprised to read the lukewarm reviews by the posters in this thread- Dream World's certainly not TNOTG/KMKY-level of classic ABBA, but I find the chorus amazingly catchy, A/F are brilliant, and it's VERY danceable and "sing-a-long-able," as my neighbors can probably attest......... :lol:

Matt

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

Anonymous - 27.04.2007, 07:07

Matt, I'm surprised that you had a hard time discerning where the DYMK part is, but I agree that the chorus is very catchy.

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

PeopleNeedLove - 27.04.2007, 11:30

Zeebee wrote: Matt, I'm surprised that you had a hard time discerning where the DYMK part is, but I agree that the chorus is very catchy.

iTunes counted 70 times I heard it, with no luck........ :oops:

See, the thing is.......I was expecting a Happy Hawaii-style "absolutely the same music, just different lyrics" section, which I couldn't find. Finally, I realized that it was just the one section in the "part after the chorus" (it probably has a name, but I'm clueless with musical terms like that..... :lol: )

No matter- It's a TERRIFIC song. Why wasn't this released/promoted as heavily as others??:?:

Matt

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

Hades - 27.04.2007, 22:36

For me, 'Dream world' is in the same league as 'Lovelight', meaning B-side material. I don't think it was strong enough to be included on the original album. The parts of the song I especially don't like are the circus-like intro/outro and the end of the chorus 'When you reach out...' which sounds rather hysterical and unnatural. That melodyline worked much better in 'Does your mother know'.

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

Anonymous - 01.05.2007, 15:55

i'm probably gonna get chewed out for this but I love dream world much better than does your mother know.

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

de solere - 01.05.2007, 18:51
dream world
Dream World is a very beautiful song with all abba's qualities, great chorus, beautiful voices and incredible tempo and sound.
Pierre

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

Simsalabim - 07.05.2007, 19:37
Re: dream world
de solere wrote: Dream World is a very beautiful song with all abba's qualities, great chorus, beautiful voices and incredible tempo and sound.
Pierre

I agree with you :D
But I don't really like the 'DYMK-part'... :?

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

Maxi-saxi - 15.05.2007, 06:29

Hades wrote: For me, 'Dream world' is in the same league as 'Lovelight', meaning B-side material. I don't think it was strong enough to be included on the original album. The parts of the song I especially don't like are the circus-like intro/outro and the end of the chorus 'When you reach out...' which sounds rather hysterical and unnatural. That melodyline worked much better in 'Does your mother know'.

Same here.

Still like it of course.

Maxi-saxi

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

drimnagh - 15.05.2007, 14:57

It has a great title (part of a songs allure can be simply in the title) and if 'worked on' it could have been great but it does sound as though it doesn't know quite what it should be. It is insanely catchy, as are most ABBA songs so it is instantly recogniseable as them which is a good thing. There are some great parts to it and unlike others I actually quite the 'fairground' sound. In fact, I'm going to check the song out some more!

''You just can't escape from reaaaaaaality...''

''Boy meets boy...'' :shock: :wink: :lol:

:cop: :cop:

:rotfl2:

Joe :innocent:

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

drimnagh - 15.05.2007, 15:04

:oops: :oops:Please Ron, Johhny or the lovely Gill- delete one of my posts and save my blushes! I'm obviously not right in the head and double clicked by accident..

Joe

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

kitty-cat - 15.05.2007, 15:07

Its Done Joe, i've left the one with the smileys lol!!!

Gill xx

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

drimnagh - 15.05.2007, 15:19

''Hugs for Gill!'' Lol

('Line from 'Nighty Night', black comedy on BBC3 which was wicked)

Mwah..

Joe :wink: x

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

Pabilla - 16.05.2007, 16:52

I've never heard it without the "fade in" beginning...

The first time I've heard it I started to think of Does your mother know.
I like Dream world, but it's not one of my favorites.

I'd really love to hear it without the fade in-beginning :love4:

// Camilla

Re: Dream World - my personal favorite "disc"overy

Simsalabim - 16.05.2007, 19:55

I've also only heard it with the 'fade-in' beginning...I thought the song was like that :shock: !

elin :D
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