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Re: Agnetha and Frida education level

soulman386 - 13.07.2007, 22:45
Agnetha and Frida education level
I read Bright Lights Dark Shadows. I was confused about the girls level of education cause I'm not familiar with european school systems. What would their education level be by USA standards? High school graduate? It didn't seem like it. It seemed like less than US high school. It's like they left school early to go into show business. Is that right?

Re: Agnetha and Frida education level

drimnagh - 13.07.2007, 22:54

I guess you could say they left early in that they didn't go on to higher education- Agnetha got a job as a telephonist and as we all know Frida started singing with a dance band aged 13 or some ridiculously young age!

Joe

Re: Agnetha and Frida education level

Bonnie - 13.07.2007, 23:57

As far as I know they both graduated. But European school systems are different from American and Swedish is different from Dutch ( were I come from).
There are photos of Agnetha with the specific hat that kids wear when they graduate ( or studenten in Swedish).
Frida did go to school even as she was singing but she wasn't really interested anymore.

Re: Agnetha and Frida education level

platobird - 14.07.2007, 02:03

Too bad they didn't go to university and get an advanced degree so they could improve and make some money, money, money. Now they'll have to work all night and work all day to pay the bills. Poor dears. :lol:

Re: Agnetha and Frida education level

Team ABBA - 14.07.2007, 04:20

platobird wrote: Too bad they didn't go to university and get an advanced degree so they could improve and make some money, money, money. ................It's not too late. :eyebrow: ... :agnetha: ... :frida:

Re: Agnetha and Frida education level

Maxi-saxi - 14.07.2007, 04:51

You're right there. It's never too late


Maxi-saxi

Re: Agnetha and Frida education level

MMM - 14.07.2007, 08:52

platobird wrote: Too bad they didn't go to university and get an advanced degree so they could improve and make some money, money, money. Now they'll have to work all night and work all day to pay the bills. Poor dears. :lol:

Yes, athough I suspect even if they had, still there would never seem to be a single penny left for . . . them (considering the cost of university!) and really - that's too bad. :wink:

Regards

MMM

Re: Agnetha and Frida education level

Anonymous - 14.07.2007, 09:52

Hi all,

I have been confused by their education levels as well, but I think that both Agnetha and Benny had nine years in school altoghether. According to Boken om ABBA Benny finished nine years of school and completed "real examen" (usually includes studies in history, biology, geography). And Agnetha must have done the same because then she would have been 15 at the time her school ended. If Agnetha had gone to gymnasium or senior high school, then she would have been 19 by the time she had graduated.

Swedes, like Finns, start school at the age of seven and if their primary education is or rather was, 12 years altogether (including gymnasium), then they did not finish the last three years (not Benny, Agnetha or Frida). In other words Frida, Agnetha and Benny completed the "obligatory " part of education. Björn writes that his education is University, which is also a little bit of a fake truth as he never finished it.

So I am ready to argue that Agnetha and Benny just finished the so call "middle school" and never went to senior high school. But of course we need a Swede from that time to tell us what the education system was. It has drastically changed in Finland and I bet it was quite different in Sweden at that time as well.

Anne

Re: Agnetha and Frida education level

DancingQueen - 14.07.2007, 12:00

It suprised me too. I haven't read the book yet, but it becomes quite obvious the girls did not have a good education. It is mentioned in other kind of biographies as well. I don't know much about Benny's career at school: I only heard about Björns. Economics was it, or something like that? Nine years is really a short time. Too short if you're asking me. But your relply is really intresting Sinikka!

Re: Agnetha and Frida education level

drimnagh - 14.07.2007, 15:02

It all depends on what your criteria for 'education' is. Personally, I feel sure that LIFE and their experiences with ABBA and all the travelling they did (despite the fact they rarely got to really 'see' anywhere they visited) would have given them all the education they needed. Now, academic qualifications are something else entirely and very over rated (IMO).

-J

Re: Agnetha and Frida education level

DancingQueen - 14.07.2007, 15:32

That is really a good statement you made, but I think we all agreed that this is about school education, and I think that is necesssary. Some time ago I talked to some people at the age of my parents and they did not spoke a single word in English. I really don't understand those things, I mean, English is a international language. Besides, more things than only knowledge is taught at school. Social stuff is a big part there too, so therefore I would say every single kid needs at least 5 years of good education after primary school.

Re: Agnetha and Frida education level

platobird - 14.07.2007, 16:31

drimnagh wrote: Now, academic qualifications are something else entirely and very over rated.
Very true. No matter how far you go in school, it's the final result that counts. Every ABBA member must be considered a fantastic success. History is full of stories of people who succeeded with little formal education, and there are plenty of failures with university degrees. 8)

Basic education in the US is 12 years, i.e. 8 primary and 4 high school. Depending on the location, the primary years may be split into primary and middle school. :) University follows, and some people become "professional" students. :lol:

Education helps, but what you don't learn in school, you learn in life - we call that "street smarts". :wink: Without street smarts, the tigers will always find you, meet you and eat you - so watch your behind. :lol:

Re: Agnetha and Frida education level

Fire&Ice - 14.07.2007, 16:51

I know the final result counts very much, at least I am proud to have a university degree, however :arrow:

People can educate themselves quite successfully as well. What is important is to read a lot. I also know Frida so to say worked on herself very much, she took a course in French and did quite a lot of reading, ever since the early childhood. The result is more than satisfactory, I must say.. :wink:

Re: Agnetha and Frida education level

Bonnie - 14.07.2007, 23:43

Agree, Ivana!

There are also a lot of people, mainly from the older generations who did not always had the chance to get a good education.
A lot of those people develop themselves, by reading, taking courses and life.
I think that especially Frida with all her reading, from what I have heard she was in to the "heavy literature" as well, I am sure she was at least intelligent enough to go to college. :D

Re: Agnetha and Frida education level

ABBAnator - 15.07.2007, 00:29

I would like to echo the comments that formal education doesn't necessarily mean educated, and vice versa. Lack of formal education does not mean uneducated. You don't have to be sitting in a classroom to learn. Formal education and intelligence have NOTHING to do with one another. You can have all the classroom education in the world and still be dumb as a stump. You could also have never stepped foot in a classroom and be an absolute genius. Formal education can also have the affect of limiting ones view to formal doctrine rather than being open-minded.

Case in point: The man generally considered as one of the most intelligent to have ever lived, Albert Einstein didn't even make it to High school, he dropped out of school (or was kicked out?) in the 8th grade. But went on to discover many of the fundamentals of the universe and changed the world.

I think formal education is a fantastic way to get a jump on a successful life. I think anyone that has the discipline to complete a formal degree should be proud of their achievement. But it should not be viewed as "the" indicator of anyones education or intelligence.

The members of ABBA found their life's love (music) early in thier lives and went on to become one of the most famous and accomplished group of artists in the modern world. I think in their cases they got all the formal education they needed. I think that is self-evident. :wink:

They all speak at least 3 languages fluently and have all showed talents in many other aspects, so I think they can be considered a considerably intelligent group of people as well.

Bruce :D

Re: Agnetha and Frida education level

DancingQueen - 15.07.2007, 11:20

Those are very wise thoughts, but because of some good examples they don't count for everyone. Not many people with less education turn into famous popstars after some years for example. Anni-Frid has a extraordinary talent, but not all people have. Others might have things they are good at too: of course, that does counts for everyone, but you have to get a chance to develop those skills at school.

It might have been different some years back, but school now is necessary. Besides knowlegde you also learn social skills. A lot of kids nowdays dropp out of school, and they don't become famous. They don't have education anymore and they can not get any kind of work. That is really a bad thing, but it happens. Education is necessary for most jobs, and I think everyone should be forced to go to school for at least some years, because school definitely is important. Besides, you can go to school and develop and discover your talents at the same time.

Re: Agnetha and Frida education level

Anonymous - 15.07.2007, 12:26

Hi again,

I like this subject and I agree with most of you that formal education does not give you keys to success. You need talent as well. Certainly all ABBA members were immensely talented and succeeded without academic degrees. Still I am sure that they succeeded better with some basic education than none at all ;-).

But I am only happy they quit early enough, or what do you think if Agnetha had ended up as a music teacher in Jonköping high school ? :shock:

Anne

Re: Agnetha and Frida education level

ABBAnator - 15.07.2007, 13:43

DQ, no one in this thread is advocating dropping out of school. Your missing the point, relax.

The point is; just because a person may not have a great deal of formal education doesn't necessarily mean they are a loser. Obviously staying in school is usually the smartest play, that's a given.

Bruce

Re: Agnetha and Frida education level

DancingQueen - 15.07.2007, 14:05

ABBAnator wrote: DQ, no one in this thread is advocating dropping out of school. Your missing the point, relax.

I am relaxing, but I'm always getting serious when it comes to a good discussion. I might have missed the point yes, but the above replies came to me as quite non-realistic. I see how things are going at schools, and it is 75% of hard work and 25% of talent.

But of course you are right: you don't have to be a loser at all, in fact, I don't even want to use that word. Yes, I am fanatic in this way, and that might be a explanation of myself getting offtopic. I am in the highest grade at school, and people seem to think that it is no big deal since you are a smart kid anyway. And know you, that makes me freaking out since I know my grades depend on my hard work and not on my talent because I don't have much talent at all and I am not that smart either.

Success is not the key to a good life either. So yes you all are right in a way, but it does not work like that for many people. All of them have different sorts of talents, and our dear ABBA members should be happy for the fact they got a chance to develop theirs and turn in into something fantastic. ;)

Re: Agnetha and Frida education level

Maxi-saxi - 16.07.2007, 04:27

Makes for some very interesting reading.

Maxi-saxi

Re: Agnetha and Frida education level

TorOnt - 30.07.2007, 15:15

I don't think that any of them have to worry about being educated enough or not because they have already achieved financial success.

It's now just a matter of being smart enough to know how to hold onto it and make the money work for you so that the taxman dosen't grab it.

Here is a sad example where even though you have a degree you end up working in a low paid job.
My wife is a scientist, graduated as an electrical engineer worked for a couple of nuclear power stations over there and even got a couple of patents which not too many engineers have achieved. When she came over here she could only get a job working in a bank because she didn't have the technical language in english. All I can say is what a waste.

On the other hand I can think of one person who had very little education, was said to be bad in school and destined to be a loser, yet he conquered most of Europe, changed the world with the potential of controlling it.

It's hard to figure out. Just isolated cases I guess.
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