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Re: General question - US politics
USArmy - 06.10.2004, 08:02General question - US politics
Since most of you are from other countries...
Just how many of you pay attention to US politics; or, should I say, how much attention is paid to US politics overseas? With the general election in November, much is at stake - and I just thought I'd ask.
Re: General question - US politics
Ross - 06.10.2004, 17:20
Not too much really. In britain someone is politically bothered or theyre not. If they are they will care about america. If theyre not (as is the case with most of us) they wont. :)
Re: General question - US politics
Roxy - 06.10.2004, 21:45
I can't say how many Italians pay attention to US politics, but I can tell you that every day we get updated on how things are going by the news on tv and the newspapers, especially now that the general election is closer.
Re: General question - US politics
USArmy - 07.10.2004, 21:40Re: Europe
Ach so... In America, although it's not 'generally' reported, election results for Europe, things like - who the Prime Minister is, whether or not the Socialists are in power, and the whether there were any real upsets, are covered. Being into contemporary politics myself, I take an interest in such things... Although admittedly I don't cover it that well, I could give you a general rundown of things in Europe by what I have read/heard.
Like, your Prime Minister, Berlusconi... He's kind of crazy. And I like him. :-D
Re: General question - US politics
atlantis - 08.10.2004, 16:16One liner story... our own quest
Let's make a story! It's simple and fun... Just add one more line to the line someone previously has posted. I will gather them in my PC and post the combined ones around every month or so (if there are enough posts).
It's just wild anc crazy :D I start
Somewhere in space, someone heard someone else eating fruitcakes.
Continue, please... :P
Re: General question - US politics
Roxy - 08.10.2004, 20:30Re: Europe
USArmy wrote:
Like, your Prime Minister, Berlusconi... He's kind of crazy. And I like him. :-D
Well, you are right, he is crazy and that's why I don't like him. Sometimes he acts like a ridiculous comedian instead of SERIOUSLY representing our country. Ok, he's doesn't belong to a party I would vote for, but that's not the problem. What I mostly don't like is that he's not a politician, but just a business man who entered politics only to protect his own interests and cover some illegal economic operations his companies did... btw, it's a looong boring story... I'm just happy that in the last regional elections he and his party lost a huge amount of votes.
I think for a foreigner our political situation is somehow complicated to follow, we have so many parties...
:arrow: Parimal.... uh... eh.... I think I didn't get what you mean... what should we do?... Sorry... I've never been the most intelligent girl on the planet... :shock: :wink:
Re: General question - US politics
atlantis - 09.10.2004, 05:14
:shock: Jeez... sorry about that. That was supposed to be a new post in the "Piet's Central Station" forum... I accidentally must have posted it here. I'll remove it at one :P Sorry about that :wink:
Re: General question - US politics
Roxy - 09.10.2004, 11:34:o)
:lol: :lol: You are lovely! No need to say sorry, it can happen... Look at me: I ALWAYS live in a state of mental confusion.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Re: General question - US politics
USArmy - 12.10.2004, 18:35Re:
Well, Berlusconi might be a bit of a clown, but who isn't nowadays? At least he sticks to his guns.
Re: General question - US politics
Roxy - 12.10.2004, 19:19
You said you don't know much about foreign politics, so I wonder how you can say that he sticks to his guns :wink: Surprise!... He doesn't... He disappointed many people even in his own party 'cause he behaves like a flag changing direction according to the wind, if you get what I mean. And would YOU like to have the destiny of your country in the hands of someone who can be called *a bit of a clown*? I'm sure you wouldn't like it at all :roll:
Re: General question - US politics
USArmy - 12.10.2004, 21:38Eh
I'm only speaking of the macro- here... In Iraq, he seems to have stuck to his guns. Impressive; and, with the Red Brigade or whatever running around, who can be so sure Rome won't get hit with some truck bombs?
We have Bush as our President. The way the world ridicules him is amazing, but he's still the President. Gotta' love him.
Re: General question - US politics
Roxy - 13.10.2004, 12:13
USArmy wrote:
We have Bush as our President. The way the world ridicules him is amazing, but he's still the President. Gotta' love him.
As I already wrote, politicians are only human beings, not Gods. I support their work only if they do their best for the people they should represent, in the full respect of other countries. The fact they are presidents or prime ministers or whatever doesn't mean they are infallible.
Btw, I don't get what the Red Brigades or similar stuff have to do with Berlusconi... He's only our Prime Minister and his decisional power is small in comparison to that of our Parlament; he represents the actual majority, that's all. Apart from that the Red Brigades are something that mostly belong to a near past, there are only a few fighters left around right now (unfortunately); it was a fight the past governments mostly lead.
Re: General question - US politics
USArmy - 14.10.2004, 00:38Re: Red Brigades
Yea, I was just drawing a parallel between what happened with Spain (terrorists attack, Spain does what terrorists want) and the possibility of it recurring in Italy; the Red Brigade being the first internal group that popped into my head (OK, so they're not really an Islamist organization, blah) - Berlusconi, as the figurehead of the government, has seemed to remain relatively solid throughout the campaign in Iraq. I respect him for it.
Gotta' love guys with guts!
Re: General question - US politics
Roxy - 14.10.2004, 12:12Re: Red Brigades
USArmy wrote: Yea, I was just drawing a parallel between what happened with Spain (terrorists attack, Spain does what terrorists want) and the possibility of it recurring in Italy; the Red Brigade being the first internal group that popped into my head (OK, so they're not really an Islamist organization, blah) - Berlusconi, as the figurehead of the government, has seemed to remain relatively solid throughout the campaign in Iraq. I respect him for it.
Gotta' love guys with guts!
Well, I think Zapatero is doing his best at the moment. Spain didn't do what the terrorists want, but what was the best for their people. I totally agree with it, just my opinion. I also loved the decisions taken in support of homosexuals and homosexual marriages, he seems to be someone who cares for minorities (...uh... is this word right?... Oh Lord, this morning my brain doesn't want to wake up! :roll: ). As for Berlusconi, he didn't stick to an ideal that our people supported (since the majority of the population here wants Italy out of Irak). He stuck to the US for some economical/political reasons good for him and his own party. I wouldn't say someone like this has got the guts. He's defending his interests, not the interests of our country and if you'd live it here, you'd see it day after day.
Re: General question - US politics
USArmy - 15.10.2004, 01:11Re: US and them
What people want is not always what's best for them. Although the world would hate to admit it, the US is an economic powerhouse; part of the reason is because we don't spend so much on social welfare programs and the like - either way, what Berlusconi is doing is for the best interest of his nation (and the best interest of the Iraqis), and I credit him for that.
What the Spanish did only emboldens terrorists. Sort of like paying ransom on a kidnapping; merely encourages the kidnappers...
As for homosexual marriage; no such thing can exist. A civil union possibly - but marriage? Nada.
Re: General question - US politics
USArmy - 15.10.2004, 01:12BTW
By the way, Roxy...
Thanks for taking an interest and discussing with me!! :D
Re: General question - US politics
Roxy - 15.10.2004, 12:29Re: US and them
USArmy wrote: What people want is not always what's best for them.
As for homosexual marriage; no such thing can exist. A civil union possibly - but marriage? Nada.
Well, I don't agree much. If you'd live here you would see how things are getting worse everyday. Old people who are losing their pensions, the prices of medicines getting higher and higher everyday and our prime minister and some of his people making pressure to make our school system private. This is not good for anybody except for those who already have money and can get richer. If I look to the future I see very rich people and a mass of extremely poor people here... the difference is getting bigger every day and this is not good for our country. If you lead a country, you must take care of the PEOPLE. Never forget that the individuals are the most important thing, not the system (but I know you think the system doesn't exist, you already told me... :wink: ). But I don't wanna go in details, this is not the right place for it and it would be rather boring for the others to hear us talking of the economical situation of my country. :D
As for homosexuals... think about this... you love someone dearly and wanna merry this person to openly share your life with her and leave her your inheritance (uh... again... did I choose the right word?... I shouldn't write in the morning, I'm still half asleep! :lol: ) and your goods in case you die (I mean look at it from a legal point of view too). You can do it because you love a girl, but my gay friend can't only because he loves a boy. That's so wrong. Love is love, darling. And loving someone is always something positive, doesn't matter who the object of your love is. I know there are many people who still think that being gay means to be some kind of pervert, but for perversion I mean something else. Perversion is when you hurt yourself and/or someone else and has nothing to do with love... I find perverted those *etero* fathers who beat up (and/or abuse) their children and wifes, just to give an example... :?
Re: General question - US politics
USArmy - 15.10.2004, 23:02Re:
No, no! I love economics!
The problem with the Socialist system is that, eventually, it collapses in on itself. What's happening in Europe - and to a lesser extent the United States - is that while the birth rate has been in decline, the generations before us have been growing older. The governments have been 'buying' their votes, so to speak, with social welfare programs - national healthcare, social security, medicaid and the like - and it is simply getting too expensive to pay for it. The system is being overloaded, there are too many old people claiming benefits and too few young people to take their place in the workforce and pay it off in taxes. For the governments to stay out of bankruptcy would take a rehauling and scaling back of all these programs, a ban on things like abortion and assissted suicide, and a re-emphasis on family values in order to plan for the future...
Homosexuality is a choice someone makes... I'm not barring them from making that choice, or barring them from making the choice to leave their belongings to their partner. That is what a civil union exists for; everything you described. But marriage is an institution between a man and a woman, and for that reason a gay couple can never be married.
Hehe... You called me darling. :oops:
Re: General question - US politics
Roxy - 16.10.2004, 11:43Re:
USArmy wrote:
Homosexuality is a choice someone makes... I'm not barring them from making that choice, or barring them from making the choice to leave their belongings to their partner. That is what a civil union exists for; everything you described. But marriage is an institution between a man and a woman, and for that reason a gay couple can never be married.
Hehe... You called me darling. :oops:
I wouldn't say homosexuality is a choice... it's just the way one is, you can't choose... Btw, I don't know about the States, but here homosex people have no chance to have a marriage or civil union. With marriage I didn't mean only a religious one, you see. Here they can't even have a civil union. That's what they are fighting for and I fully support them.
As for calling you darling, hope it didn't bother you... I'm well known for calling people honey, darling, dear... that's why everybody calls me a "sweet as***le"!! :twisted: :lol: :lol:
Re: General question - US politics
USArmy - 17.10.2004, 04:35Re:
I don't agree at all with the so called "gene" theory, that homosexuality is an inborn trait. There is simply too much evidence to refute that theory (http://www.narth.com/), including groups which are made up of former homosexuals.
As for a gay couple, they can live however they choose. Free will and whatnot.
As for the darling remark... I was a bit surprised (In a good way :D)!
Re: General question - US politics
Roxy - 17.10.2004, 12:09Re:
USArmy wrote: I don't agree at all with the so called "gene" theory, that homosexuality is an inborn trait.
No, no... I didn't mean this. I mean that if you feel you are homosexual that's the way you have to follow. You can't choose to be gay or not. It's not *One day you wake up, look at yourself in the mirror, don't know how to spend the day and decide to be homosex*, it doesn't work that way, believe me. There are kids that show their homosexuality when they are still children... there's not much to choose and I honestly don't see why... When you don't hurt yourself and the others, you must follow what your heart and body tell you or you'll never be happy; that's all, darling :wink:
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