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Re: World has gone to heck in a handbasket
USArmy - 07.09.2004, 18:30World has gone to heck in a handbasket
Hurricanes in the US, earthquakes in Japan, draught in Australia, genocide in Darfur, terrorists in Russia, suicide bombers in Israel...
OK, so, who wants to help me build a big, over-seer type robot?
We can built it out of steel... I've already got a great name for it; Steel Savior. I don't think that's copywrited yet...
There's only one problem: We need a brain to pilot it. Forever.
Re: World has gone to heck in a handbasket
Helloweenie - 07.09.2004, 19:56Today's world...
:twisted: ... these days I keep on thinking about war and violence a lot. It's not conceivable how human beings can torture and kill children the way it has happened in Russia. The sad thing is that it is not the only example of how cruel so called "people" can be.
I think the world had been quite OK when I was a child but now I keep on asking myself in which direction this all will go and I don't find a solution for that...
... how much things have to happen until people wake up!?
... the only thing I know is that music make me feel that there's left a tiny little bit of hope in this world and that I can change the world around me maybe a little bit to do what I can do to give peace to others...
...could be neverending topic and thoughts... :(
:arrow: Let's at least keep metal alive if we can't keep peace alive ALL over the world and in every nation on earth!
Re: World has gone to heck in a handbasket
Roxy - 07.09.2004, 20:31Re: Today's world...
Helloweenie wrote:
... how much things have to happen until people wake up!?
... the only thing I know is that music make me feel that there's left a tiny little bit of hope in this world and that I can change the world around me maybe a little bit to do what I can do to give peace to others
I couldn't agree more... I don't think the world was better when we were children, probably we just didn't fully understand what was going on around us...
Btw, I wouldn't put a hurricane or earthquake on the same level with wars or terroristic attacks... Nature is Nature and she's got her own reasons, we can't do much to stop it, though in our human arrogance we think we can... as for wars, terrorists and all the rest, well... human beings are the only animals that kill just for fun, vengeance or material interests and that's why most of the times it is rather sad to be a human.
If we wanna kid about it (though there's not much to smile about), I wouldn't like to see the name of my friends linked to a killer machine, so... could I programm that robot with a non-violent brain? :lol: :wink:
Re: World has gone to heck in a handbasket
USArmy - 08.09.2004, 06:49Re; peaceful brain
Yes, just don't go ticking ole' Rodyar Conardluc off. I'm afraid of what he'd do...
As for human nature; yes, some people are evil. Gots'ta fight back.
I'm taking my DLAB (a test for the Army) and picking a job for the Army out on Thursday. Wish me luck. I hope to get a job as a counterintelligence agent...
Re: World has gone to heck in a handbasket
atlantis - 09.09.2004, 17:31
Yea, there seems to be crazy things happening everywhere! :( The Russian incident shocked me! OMG! Why?
Also, Nepal is in serious crisis. In Iraq, you may have heard that 12 Nepali were brutally slaughtered (one beheaded) by Iraqi terrorists :( That caused a LOT of problems, curfews for 5 days straight!! Now the political parties are at unrest, the Maoists are closing down industries, workers are getting jobless. Seems a financially poor country is going to be made poorer...
It doesn't make sense.
But it relieves me to know that we're all into metal, and all that matters is we're going to be together :) But the world outside isn't really inspiring :(
Re: World has gone to heck in a handbasket
USArmy - 09.09.2004, 22:50Re: Nepalese hostage-killings
How did the Nepalese react to that? Horror and outrage? After Spains copout, I'm not too sure...
Re: World has gone to heck in a handbasket
atlantis - 10.09.2004, 17:21
Terribly! Mob violence, tires burning. Buildings burning, looting (attacked manpower companies). For the first time, communal harmony was disrupted when they attacked the Muslim mosque. :(
Terrible situation :(
Re: World has gone to heck in a handbasket
USArmy - 10.09.2004, 17:44Re: Nepalese hostage-killings
Were they ticked at the Moslems for killing innocents, or were they mad at their government, or what?... Where was all the anger directed?
For instance; the Spanish were hit, and they did exactly what the terrorists wanted, namely: tucked their tails under their legs and ran off.
Do the Nepalese want to stand and fight, or what?
Sorry for asking. Hot-button topic, I know...
Re: World has gone to heck in a handbasket
Roxy - 12.09.2004, 13:54
atlantis wrote: Seems a financially poor country is going to be made poorer...
As usual, nothing new at the horizon... that's the way the world goes since the very beginning. Stronger countries that rape the land and the culture of poorer countries in the name of power. Look at the history, it's what has happened with Red Indians, with South American natives, with most of the African people, with the Maori people... always the same old story... in the name of money and power the rich ones feel allowed to kill the poors, after they took everything they can get from them. The worst part is that they MUST keep them poor and ignorant if they wanna keep the power. Years ago I was in touch with an Italian nun who worked in a brasilian mission. She told us that in the place where she lived the biggest problem was to give an education to the orphans and those who came from poor families, because when children started their first year of school, they were supposed to be already able to write and read. This means that only those families that are reach enough to pay for private lessons could send their children to school, while the poor ones had to stay ignorant. You see, when someone is starving and not even able to read and write, how can one find the energy and most of all the means to fight against this situation? The only thing one can do is struggling for one's own surviving, while some governments get richer on these people shoulders.
Btw, I'm truly sorry for what is going on in your country and I hope at least you and your family are ok... :)
PS: Off topic thing... Parymal, I didn't forget to send you the list... I simply had to rewrite it (I lost the cd containing some documents and the list too) and need some time to do it, since I'm very busy with my job right now... But sooner or later you'll get it, don't worry! :D
Re: World has gone to heck in a handbasket
USArmy - 13.09.2004, 22:55Re: Colonization
I don't necessary see colonization and imperialism as a bad thing; each on their own can be a powerful civilizing force, bringing new technology, medicines, religion, and order to a people otherwise 'left in the dark' about such matters.
It's only when mercantilistic aspirations take hold that these become a problem; such as what happened when European powers pulled out of Africa - Europe washed their hands of guilt and left their former subjects holding the bag, which was disease, famine, and poverty.
It's not that the rich need to keep the poor that way so they can stay rich, it's that the rich don't feel the need to do anything about it. Most people will look at (especially in Brazils case) it and see that economics isn't a zero-sum game; but some don't really have to care...
Re: World has gone to heck in a handbasket
Roxy - 14.09.2004, 12:02Re: Colonization
USArmy wrote: I don't necessary see colonization and imperialism as a bad thing; each on their own can be a powerful civilizing force, bringing new technology, medicines, religion, and order to a people otherwise 'left in the dark' about such matters.
It's only when mercantilistic aspirations take hold that these become a problem; such as what happened when European powers pulled out of Africa - Europe washed their hands of guilt and left their former subjects holding the bag, which was disease, famine, and poverty.
It's not that the rich need to keep the poor that way so they can stay rich, it's that the rich don't feel the need to do anything about it. Most people will look at (especially in Brazils case) it and see that economics isn't a zero-sum game; but some don't really have to care...
Well, look at those poeple that have been colonized... who knows why they all lost their lands, cultures and lives... I don't see colonization as a good thing at all, apart for the medical help richer countries could bring to those who need (and here we could open a huge chapter about medicines business and the nasty market behind it). As for bringing religion and technology, well... They already had their religions and I don't see why they have to change their believes. There should be freedom of thought and religion in a democratical world, or not? And technology... well, we should go back in time and ask if the Red Indians were happy to lose their lands and their lives for the buildings of the railways... :roll: But of course the system wants us to believe that this is the very best for the whole world... That's the bad aspect of globalization: we all have to dress the same, we all have to behave the same, we all have to believe in the same things and support the same social behaviours. It's good for the echonomy of countries like Europe and the US, but it's not good at all for the other cultures that are losing their identities in the name of the enrichment of some who are already richer than them. Of course richer countries don't give a damn about helping the poors, but stop for a while and ask yourself why giving a scholar education to your kids costs so much (and you still can go to school somehow. Most of the African children do not have this chance at all)... An ignorant mass of people is easier to control than a mass of people with enough knowledge to think with their own brain and eventually fight the system. It's easy to keep people quiet when they do not even fully understand what you are telling them... (read some Karl Marx stuff about it, in case you wanna know more) I read several times *1984* by Orwell and, though it was written a long time ago, I think the man hit the point. Slaves of a system that control us and lies to us to keep us silent and obedient like a bunch of ignorant sheeps. Very sad...
Sorry, didn't mean to write a book here! :lol:
Re: World has gone to heck in a handbasket
Elmatto - 14.09.2004, 19:27
I say we shower them with candy.
Re: World has gone to heck in a handbasket
USArmy - 14.09.2004, 23:41Re: Candy
Ditto on the candy. Candy for one, candy for all...
Candy, candy, candy...
Quote: "who knows why they all lost their lands, cultures and lives..."
You can't blaim colonization for everything that happened; I'll remind you that intra-clan conflict, inter-tribe warfare, barbarism, and lawlessness brought strife into Africa and elsewhere long before Europeans landed. Colonization merely served to 'modernize' the conflict.
Quote: "They already had their religions and I don't see why they have to change their believes."
No one advocates 'forced conversion;' merely free enlightenment. Cannibalism, false gods, and slavery do not bode well for 'humanity.'
Quote: "But of course the system wants us to believe that this is the very best for the whole world..."
That's not true at all. "The system" encourages and rewards entrepreneurship - thinking outside the box. One of the problems I have with socialist Europe is that everyone is stuck - there is no moving up in the caste system, due to taxes, government handouts, and other 'feel-good' legislation. Whereas some places may merit socialism, a free-market system is the best means of 'growing the economic pie' so everyone has a piece.
Quote: "An ignorant mass of people is easier to control than a mass of people with enough knowledge to think with their own brain and eventually fight the system."
Fighting 'the system' won't get you anywhere. In most cases, 'the system' is something people invent so they'll have something to target their frustrations at.
You've got to learn to worth within the system so you can change it.
...And candy.
Re: World has gone to heck in a handbasket
Roxy - 15.09.2004, 10:55Orwelll was sooooo right...
All I can say not to raise a new neverending discussion (like that in the Irak chapter) is that you sound a bit like a perfect Big Brother product (see again Orwell for details) :wink:
Re: World has gone to heck in a handbasket
USArmy - 15.09.2004, 23:29Re: Big Brother
I read Orwell. I like some of his stuff; but 1984 was too "Soviet Union"-ish for me. Too many overtones to really enjoy the book...
Besides, I hate big government. :D
How could I be a big-brother type person?
Re: World has gone to heck in a handbasket
Roxy - 06.10.2004, 13:261984
USArmy wrote: I read Orwell. I like some of his stuff; but 1984 was too "Soviet Union"-ish for me.
Oh well, it's not Soviet Unionish at all. Orwell wasn't on the left or on the right side. The book was just a general statement against any kind of globalization and any kind of dictatorship hidden behind fake democracy. He took hint from nazism but on the other side from comunist dictatorship. That's what makes that book great: this idea is valid for both political sides and for being written in '49 it looked far far away in time... :wink: It's so incredibly actual... In the story to keep the people under control the Oceania government had slogans like *Peace is war*, *Freedom is slavery*, *Ignorance is power*... very very actual, I think...
Re: World has gone to heck in a handbasket
USArmy - 06.10.2004, 21:28Re:
Eh, I dunno... The "wipe out every trace of someone" and the purges launched by Stalin in the 30s, calling it "the Party", the likeness of Big Brother to Stalin, a 'Big-Brother' dominated Europe, and the ludicrous 'nationalism' espoused by the government is soooo close to the Soviet system that it sort of spoils the book for me. I'm flipping pages thinking; "Where have I heard this before?... Oh, right. Stalin."
Plus, the whole "Oceania" and "Big Brother" systems are much too "Illuminati"-conspiracy type stuff to really get to me...
Coming off Orwell, though, have you ever read Tom Clancy? :D
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